How can creation week be literal 24 hour days?

[Hawkins]

God created heavens, a plural. Paul ever mentioned the third heaven. It basically means humans don't and can't have a correct conception about what spaces are. While God doesn't need to limit His creation by using only one space which humans could only comprehend. Creation involves multiple spaces anyway.

Then God spoke light into existence. It means that light doesn't follow rules. Relativity shows that light has a rather strange relationship with space and time. They are all beyond human comprehension.

Then God used morning and evening as the reference instead of time itself directly. Again, it is because humans never know what time is in terms of science and physics. We don't and can't have a correct conception of what time itself is. Einstein ever put, time isn't a stable physics unit, but speed/velocity is. This says that we humans don't and can't have a correct conception and perception of what time is. In human concepts time progresses evenly and stably forward. This is what time is in human concepts but in both relativity and quantum physics time doesn't behave this way.

Our galaxies and universe only appeared on day 4. It seems that earth was created somehow "else where" and was "plugged" into its current position on day 4. It is thus possible that our universe and planet earth were not created within the same time-space.

In a nutshell, humans have to make the various assumptions in order for us to have a understanding of what is said. However, those human assumptions may not be correct. The Bible however is correct!

 

[The Barbarian]

(Barbarian regarding the assertion that the sun existed before God says it did)

Creative, but requires complete reworking of the plain language of Genesis.
So still a failure.

You are too human to understand God

And yet you assume you are able to understand Him.

and that is to your disadvantage because YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ENJOY HIM IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS A GOD.

I enjoy Him. When I'm out in the middle of His creation, say in the Trinity River backwaters, I'm overjoyed and in awe of His majesty. I don't understand all of it, but what I do understand is humbling and exalting at the same time.

UNDERSTAND THIS: If God said light should come from the surface of the earth then SCIENCE WILL CHANGE AND JUSTIFY LIGHT FROM THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH. If God says LET ALL THE WATERS GO INTO THE SKY THEN SCIENCE WILL CHANGE AND JUSTIFY WATER FROM THE SKY. UNDERSTAND THIS AS WELL. ALL CREATIONS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN A MOMENT BUT GOD CHOSE SEVEN DAYS PATTERN BECAUSE HE WAS CREATING IT FOR MAN AND HE WANTED THEM TO HAVE THE CONCEPT OF 7 DAY WEEK.

Or more likely, He used the human concept of a week to explain the different categories of creation. Since a literal reading of the Genesis account leads to logical absurdities, the latter makes sense, and the former does not.

I bet you there are many unbelievers who will NEVER USE THE WORD FAILURE when it comes to creation and that will make you FOOLISH IN THEIR SIGHT.

You should not care so much what unbelievers think of you. And here's something critically important for your salvation:

God does not save by checking your theology. He saves by looking into your heart and your actions. Read Matthew 25, and learn from it.

 

[BobRyan]

How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

The light of "the sun" is the byproduct of fusion of hydrogen atoms. Your question then is essentially "how can there be light without having fusion of hydrogen going on 98 million miles away"... right?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

There are two conditions that result in the 24 hour day.
1. Rotation of planet earth.
2. A light source on one side that is not also on the other side of Earth.

So then your question is -- how can we have a 24 hour rotation of Earth with a light source on one side but not on the other -- if there is no hydrogen fusion going on 98 million miles from earth... right?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how

can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

So then your question is -- if God had a light source on one side of the earth for days 1-3... why wouldn't He be required to keep that same light source on that same side after He created the Sun?

Or maybe it was the dimmer light (dimmer than the moon) from the center of the galactic plane which would of course - still be there today?

The other "complexity" is that a common argument against the Bible is that we are too far away from the other stars and it would be totally dark in our area of space if the galaxy and in fact universe were only 10's of thousands of years old -- and the Earth only 6,000 years old. So then "let there be light" on day one may have been "solving that problem" for Earth.

I agree with you that -- "all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days".

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

(Barbarian regarding the assertion that the sun existed before God says it did)

Creative, but requires complete reworking of the plain language of Genesis.
So still a failure. .

Agreed

 

[Jamsie]

Since God is the one who told us that creation happened in six literal days, who are we to question His word? Are we going to call God a liar? He doesn't know what He is talking about?

Actually, what scripture states is that on six different days God spoke and commanded specific creative acts to happen. There is no "time" reference stated either explicitly or implicitly made concerning the fulfillment of His fiat. Also, we refer to "creation week" is there a verse that uses the term "week"?

 

[The Barbarian]

The light of "the sun" is the byproduct of fusion of hydrogen atoms. Your question then is essentially "how can there be light without having fusion of hydrogen going on 98 million miles away"... right?

Actually, it's "how can there be mornings and evenings which are defined by the sun, without a sun?"

 

[Hawkins]

Actually, it's "how can there be mornings and evenings which are defined by the sun, without a sun?"

It is yet another human assumption that morning and evening must be from a sun. Lighting is never an issue for God. God can create earth in another closed environment with lighting simulating the final earthly environment.

Not only God, even humans can do so by putting you in a closed environment with emulating lighting telling days from nights. I do this to my fishes in my aquarium. The fishes must have thought that the days and nights are from the sun while it's not. It's from an LED lamp I set up for them.

 

[thesunisout]

Actually, what scripture states is that on six different days God spoke and commanded specific creative acts to happen. There is no "time" reference stated either explicitly or implicitly made concerning the fulfillment of His fiat. Also, we refer to "creation week" is there a verse that uses the term "week"?

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day

It tells us about what God did six different times all referencing evening, morning and day and then and on the seventh day God rested. This is the blueprint for our week.

It talks about evening, morning and day, which all reference time. I'm not going to get into an argument about it because it is clear what it is saying. It is because people want to insert evolution and millions of years into the scripture that there is a problem with understanding what it means. The real problem is trying to make Gods word subservient to mans wisdom. Not only is it completely clear what it is saying, it is a total refutation of the secular creation myth. Mans wisdom comes to Genesis 1 & 2 to be shown up for the ludicrous fiction it is, not to coexist or even coopt what God said. Gods word has never been proven wrong and it never will be.

 

[The Barbarian]

It is yet another human assumption that morning and evening must be from a sun.

That's what the words mean. Once you decide to let words mean whatever you want, you've lost meaning completely.

Lighting is never an issue for God.

If God didn't mean "morning" and "evening", He would have used something else. This is why Christians have always known that the creation story is not a literal history.

The fishes must have thought that the days and nights are from the sun while it's not.

You're attributing too much to your fish and not enough to God.

 

[Jamsie]

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day

It tells us about what God did six different times all referencing evening, morning and day and then and on the seventh day God rested. This is the blueprint for our week.

No need for further discussion, my point is simply that the Bible does not reference a "week" but rather only days. Those days were defined by "And God said,...", clearly command or fiat days...nothing further was necessary. It is not that people want to insert but rather putting Romans 1:20 into proper affect as God did in fact offer us two books....

 

[BobRyan]

Actually, what scripture states is that on six different days God spoke and commanded specific creative acts to happen. There is no "time" reference stated either explicitly or implicitly made concerning the fulfillment of His fiat. Also, we refer to "creation week" is there a verse that uses the term "week"?

So then that post is missing a few Bible "details" where God Himself is speaking... and writing...

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Now it appears that your argument is that we should be inserting any number of unknown millions days between each of of the days of the week -- but the text does not require such a strained use of the scripture.

What is more - vs 11 is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3 ... same author, same subject, same event.

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

 

[BobRyan]

It is yet another human assumption that morning and evening must be from a sun. Lighting is never an issue for God. God can create earth in another closed environment with lighting simulating the final earthly environment. .

And of course - God Himself is light - dwelling in unapproachable light. 1 Tim 6:16. It is not too difficult to imagine a God who being infinite in power and infinite in wisdom -- would also be able to figure out the light source even if the sun were not already there.

 

[BobRyan]

Actually, what scripture states is that on six different days God spoke and commanded specific creative acts to happen.

Different, distinct yet consecutive as are all days of the week to this very day - and so also the week of Exodus 20:8-11 claimed to be the same as that of Genesis 2:1-3

 

[Kaon]

Obviously it was not literal "days". A day is the period of revolution of a planet, and is a different length of time on each planet. The "days" of creation simply mean "periods of time", and science reveals that they were very long periods of time.

Yom, or Day in Hebrew means anything from sunset to sunset, to an aeon.

When there was no sun light - the way humans measure time - a day was the evolution of the event. That is what time is, in general - an evolution of events (there is really no such thing as time.)

 

[BobRyan]

Yom, or Day in Hebrew means anything from sunset to sunset, to an aeon.

In Exodus 20:8-11 all the Hebrews gathered there knew it was "a literal solar day"

Context is everything in Hebrew.

what is more -- they already had the same lesson given to them in Exodus 16 ...where "starvation" would have been the result iif the days of the week were to have aeon's of real-time inserted into them, since that would mean that every aeon or so - manna would fall ....

 

[The Barbarian]

Yom, or Day in Hebrew means anything from sunset to sunset, to an aeon.

Or "in my time", or "always", or "forever", or a few other things.

In Genesis 1, it says it took six days. In Genesis 2, it says one day. Another reason Christians don't see it as a literal history.

 

[Kaon]

In Exodus 20:8-11 all the Hebrews gathered there knew it was "a literal solar day"

Context is everything in Hebrew.

That is because a sun was already there. When the earth was founded, YOM meant something else - especially in the context of light, darkness, and void(s) before the heavens were filled. I alluded to this in my first post.

what is more -- they already had the same lesson given to them in Exodus 16 ...where "starvation" would have been the result iif the days of the week were to have aeon's of real-time inserted into them, since that would mean that every aeon or so - manna would fall ....

As you said, context. The sun existed in Exodus 16.

 

[Kaon]

Or "in my time", or "always", or "forever", or a few other things.

In Genesis 1, it says it took six days. In Genesis 2, it says one day. Another reason Christians don't see it as a literal history.

That is because people do not know the nature of time. It is a luxury of delusion for carnal and created beings; everything has already happened. Time doesn't exist.

We actually measure a change (evolution of events) and call it time - as if it is concrete and independent of other parameters. In fact, it is coupled with physical space. Yom means something contextually different in every verse in the Hebrew. A literal creation is clear if you read Genesis in Hebrew. There are no physical or mathematical discrepancies.

 

[ChristaLife]

able

Yes i do understand him. I patiently ask God for understanding and he gave me the understanding of his words. He gave us his word to, lead us so if any man need understanding and ask him he WILL GIVE IT TO HIM. STOP STRUGGLING TO INTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD " the human way" LET THE SPIRIT OF GOD GIVE YOU THE INTERPRETATION.

James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

 

[ChristaLife]

days

Why are you confusing your self. Heaven and the earth were created in day 1. ONE DAY. THE REST OF THE WEEK WAS USED TO DEVELOP IT FOR MAN'S USE.

Something extra.
EVERY TIME SOMETHING WAS CREATED GOD LOOK AND SAID IT WAS GOOD. IT WAS NOT PERFECT. IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE PERFECT BECAUSE IT IS A TEMPORARY PLACE. IT WAS GOOD IN FACT VERY FOR WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR.

THE PERFECT PLACE IS ETERNITY. THE PLACE WHERE CHRIST HAS GONE TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD. THAT PLACE IS BEYOND HUMAN IMAGINATION. WHEN WE PUT ON IMMORTALITY WE WILL THEN BE MADE PERFECT.

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,