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Hi halbhh,
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Ok, so you believe that the stars must have existed for a very long time because you personally have tested the speed of light and you can attest from your personal experience that light travels at such and such a speed which would then mean that the stars must have existed for a very very long time because you know from your own personal testing that light would take millions/billions of years to reach us on the earth for us to be able to see that star out there.
Ok. Have you also tested water to see whether it will stand unaided as a wall several feet high?
You see, as I tried to explain earlier, if your understanding of the truth of the Scriptures is going to be based on what you can personally prove through experimentation, then you have to throw out the Exodus from Egypt as it is also just as clearly written as the creation account. For the Scriptures tell us that as the Israelites passed through the sea that the water separated and stood as a wall on both the right hand and the left hand of them as they passed through. But all testing of water would belie that explanation.
If you are going to base your understanding of the truth of the Scriptures on what you yourself can prove through testing, then you'll also have to throw out the account of the birth of Jesus as clearly explained in the Scriptures.
I'll repeat again, if your test of truth is found in the experiments and experience of mankind, then you'll have to throw out pretty much every miracle in the Scriptures. If your test of truth is as simple as, "Well, that's what God's word has said and because God's word tells me that such a thing happened then I believe that it did, whether or not I or anyone else can experimentally prove such a thing can happen", then you can add back in the miracles of the Scriptures.
Your faith, my friend, is based on what you can prove. My faith is based on what God has said. Now, if you somehow find it 'adding' to God's word when we take a simple accounting of numbers and add them together to come to a result, then I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
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While I think that starlight appears very old (and I'm not vaguely relying on other's information for that, having personally measured the speed of light in a lab with a classic and simple rotating mirror experiment and done the measurement personally) so that the 'heavens' are simply directly observed (not even theory involved) to be old, that's not specified in the Bible, and I don't depend on it even slightly. For instance, God could have intentionally created the appearance of old starlight even, if it pleased Him to do so. I'm very fine either way.
Ok, so you believe that the stars must have existed for a very long time because you personally have tested the speed of light and you can attest from your personal experience that light travels at such and such a speed which would then mean that the stars must have existed for a very very long time because you know from your own personal testing that light would take millions/billions of years to reach us on the earth for us to be able to see that star out there.
Ok. Have you also tested water to see whether it will stand unaided as a wall several feet high?
You see, as I tried to explain earlier, if your understanding of the truth of the Scriptures is going to be based on what you can personally prove through experimentation, then you have to throw out the Exodus from Egypt as it is also just as clearly written as the creation account. For the Scriptures tell us that as the Israelites passed through the sea that the water separated and stood as a wall on both the right hand and the left hand of them as they passed through. But all testing of water would belie that explanation.
If you are going to base your understanding of the truth of the Scriptures on what you yourself can prove through testing, then you'll also have to throw out the account of the birth of Jesus as clearly explained in the Scriptures.
I'll repeat again, if your test of truth is found in the experiments and experience of mankind, then you'll have to throw out pretty much every miracle in the Scriptures. If your test of truth is as simple as, "Well, that's what God's word has said and because God's word tells me that such a thing happened then I believe that it did, whether or not I or anyone else can experimentally prove such a thing can happen", then you can add back in the miracles of the Scriptures.
Your faith, my friend, is based on what you can prove. My faith is based on what God has said. Now, if you somehow find it 'adding' to God's word when we take a simple accounting of numbers and add them together to come to a result, then I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
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