How can creation week be literal 24 hour days?

[mmksparbud]

Yom, or Day in Hebrew means anything from sunset to sunset, to an aeon.

When there was no sun light - the way humans measure time - a day was the evolution of the event. That is what time is, in general - an evolution of events (there is really no such thing as time.)

Read post #79----Yom is Hebrew, and Hebrew scholars should be the ones to interpret their own language.

"The Hebrew word for day is yom and this word appears in Scriptures over 1400 times. And without exception this word, when written in the singular sense, means day. And that's it. Never anything else. Eons are indicated with the plural form: days, as in the days of such and such. The most popular counter argument is that the meaning of our word is fiercely restricted to 'day' for about a thousand times in the sequential Scriptures, but in the secluded chapter of Genesis 1 means something completely different! But honestly, if in Genesis 1 our word should have meant 'long time' it would have said 'long time'. There are words available in Hebrew that mean just that. None of which occur in Genesis 1.

The word as used in Genesis 1 means day and day alone. There's no way around it, and every serious theory to make (systematic, not theological) sense out of Genesis 1 should first and foremost address the yom-problem."
http://www.abarim-publications.com/YomProblem.html#.W1BVPvZFxet

 

[ChristaLife]

In Genesis 1, it says it took six days. In Genesis 2, it says one day. Another reason Christians don't see it as a literal history.

Why are you confusing your self. Heaven and the earth were created in day 1. ONE DAY. THE REST OF THE WEEK WAS USED TO DEVELOP IT FOR MAN'S USE.

Something extra.
EVERY TIME SOMETHING WAS CREATED GOD LOOK AND SAID IT WAS GOOD. IT WAS NOT PERFECT. IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE PERFECT BECAUSE IT IS A TEMPORARY PLACE. IT WAS GOOD IN FACT VERY FOR WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR.

THE PERFECT PLACE IS ETERNITY. THE PLACE WHERE CHRIST HAS GONE TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD. THAT PLACE IS BEYOND HUMAN IMAGINATION. WHEN WE PUT ON IMMORTALITY WE WILL THEN BE MADE PERFECT.

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

[ChristaLife]

And yet you assume you are able to understand Him.

Yes i do understand him. I patiently ask God for understanding and he gave me the understanding of his words. He gave us his word to, lead us so if any man need understanding and ask him he WILL GIVE IT TO HIM. STOP STRUGGLING TO INTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD " the human way" LET THE SPIRIT OF GOD GIVE YOU THE INTERPRETATION.

James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

 

[mmksparbud]

Why are you confusing your self. Heaven and the earth were created in day 1. ONE DAY. THE REST OF THE WEEK WAS USED TO DEVELOP IT FOR MAN'S USE.

Something extra.
EVERY TIME SOMETHING WAS CREATED GOD LOOK AND SAID IT WAS GOOD. IT WAS NOT PERFECT. IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE PERFECT BECAUSE IT IS A TEMPORARY PLACE. IT WAS GOOD IN FACT VERY FOR WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR.

THE PERFECT PLACE IS ETERNITY. THE PLACE WHERE CHRIST HAS GONE TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD. THAT PLACE IS BEYOND HUMAN IMAGINATION. WHEN WE PUT ON IMMORTALITY WE WILL THEN BE MADE PERFECT.

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Really??---and just what is that God means when He says something is good--and even very Good???
oops---maybe I should have made this guy with 4 arms so he could do more work?---Ooops--I should have made that sun just a tiny bit cooler? Or maybe a couple more eyes in the back of his head so he can see where he is going and where he has been at the same time??---0Oh, well---Good enough??

The original language actually says functional--not good.
31 and~he~will~SEE(Verb) (וַיַּרְא / wai'yar) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) AT (אֶת / et) ALL (כָּל / kol) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~DO(Verb) (עָשָׂה / a'sah) and~LOOK (וְהִנֵּה / wê'hin'neyh) FUNCTIONAL (טוֹב / tov) MANY (מְאֹד / mê'od) and~he~will~EXIST(Verb) (וַיְהִי / wai'hi) EVENING (עֶרֶב / e'rev) and~he~will~EXIST(Verb) (וַיְהִי / wai'hi) MORNING (בֹקֶר / vo'qer) DAY (יוֹם / yom) the~SIXTH (הַשִּׁשִּׁי / ha'shi'shi) [11]

and Elohiym saw all which he made, and look, it is very functional, and evening existed and morning existed, a sixth day,
http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mtt/G1.html

 

[The Barbarian]

ChristaLife said: ↑
You are too human to understand God

Barbarian observes:
And yet you claim to understand Him.

Yes i do understand him. I patiently ask God for understanding and he gave me the understanding of his words.

And yet you turn your back on scripture in favor of your own interpretation. Let Him be God and accept it His way.

 

[BobRyan]

That is because a sun was already there.

The Bible says the Sun was created on day 4. "The sun was already there" is an interesting "insert" into the text however.

When the earth was founded, YOM meant something else - especially in the context of light, darkness, and void(s) before the heavens were filled.

Not according to Exodus 20:11 pointing right back to Genesis 1-2 for the "yom" definition showing that it was the same as in the 7 day week at Sinai.

Bible details

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
In Genesis 1, it says it took six days. In Genesis 2, it says one day. Another reason Christians don't see it as a literal history.

Why are you confusing your self. Heaven and the earth were created in day 1. ONE DAY. THE REST OF THE WEEK WAS USED TO DEVELOP IT FOR MAN'S USE.

That is your new revision of God's word. Instead of adding new things to His word, find a way to accept it the way it is.

 

[BobRyan]

Why are you confusing your self. Heaven and the earth were created in day 1. ONE DAY. THE REST OF THE WEEK WAS USED TO DEVELOP IT FOR MAN'S USE.
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verse 1 and 2 are before day 1.

Day 1 happens in vs 3-vs5.

 

[BobRyan]

Barbarian observes:
In Genesis 1, it says it took six days. In Genesis 2, it says one day .

Not true.

In chapter 1 each day is given a number.

In Chapter 2 there is no number ... as in "in the day the Lord took them out of the land of Egypt" it is not referring to a calendar day.

 

[Kaon]

Read post #79----Yom is Hebrew, and Hebrew scholars should be the ones to interpret their own language.

"The Hebrew word for day is yom and this word appears in Scriptures over 1400 times. And without exception this word, when written in the singular sense, means day. And that's it. Never anything else. Eons are indicated with the plural form: days, as in the days of such and such. The most popular counter argument is that the meaning of our word is fiercely restricted to 'day' for about a thousand times in the sequential Scriptures, but in the secluded chapter of Genesis 1 means something completely different! But honestly, if in Genesis 1 our word should have meant 'long time' it would have said 'long time'. There are words available in Hebrew that mean just that. None of which occur in Genesis 1.

The word as used in Genesis 1 means day and day alone. There's no way around it, and every serious theory to make (systematic, not theological) sense out of Genesis 1 should first and foremost address the yom-problem."
http://www.abarim-publications.com/YomProblem.html#.W1BVPvZFxet

Ok. But this doesn't change what I previously said it thought - I don't abdicate my intellectual choice and identity to other men. But, now that I know your position I don't have to argue anymore.

 

[Kaon]

The Bible says the Sun was created on day 4. "The sun was already there" is an interesting "insert" into the text however.



Not according to Exodus 20:11 pointing right back to Genesis 1-2 for the "yom" definition showing that it was the same as in the 7 day week at Sinai.

Bible details

Ok. I am not arguing, but I don't believe any of what you said. Cheers.

 

[ChristaLife]

verse 1 and 2 are before day 1.

Day 1 happens in vs 3-vs5.

Verses 1-5 are DAY 1

 

[ChristaLife]

That is your new revision of God's word. Instead of adding new things to His word, find a way to accept it the way it is.

Did you read what BobRyan said? He said NOT TRUE He said "in the day" was not a calendar day. Is his interpretation wrong?

IN THE DAY simply means AT THAT TIME OR DURING THAT TIME. It is a figure of speech not a calendar day.

 

[ChristaLife]

verse 1 and 2 are before day 1.

Day 1 happens in vs 3-vs5.

I think i understand the problem here. it is the word DAY.
NOTE THIS:
THERE ARE TWO CONCEPT OF DAY AS NARRATED IN GENESIS 1
1. DAY AS IN 24 HOUR DAY WHICH STARTED FROM "IN THE BEGINNING" AND STARTED WITH DARKNESS OVER THE CREATION
2. DAY AN IN DAY LIGHT. THIS WAS AFTER THE LIGHT WAS CREATED. THEN GOD SEPARATED THE LIGHT FROM THE DARKNESS

HENCE THE ACCOUNT:
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (24 HOUR DAY.)
LIGHT DAY (DAY LIGHT)
DAY (24 HOUR DAY)

IS THAT NOT WHAT WE STILL CALL IT TODAY?

 

[ChristaLife]

Really??---and just what is that God means when He says something is good--and even very Good???
oops---maybe I should have made this guy with 4 arms so he could do more work?---Ooops--I should have made that sun just a tiny bit cooler? Or maybe a couple more eyes in the back of his head so he can see where he is going and where he has been at the same time??---0Oh, well---Good enough??

The original language actually says functional--not good.

I think you've just said it, GOOD as in FUNCTIONAL but not PERFECT as in the ABSOLUTE ULTIMATE if i can put it that way. IT WAS CREATED FOR A LIMITED USE EVEN OUR BODIES.

This is just like the toys we make for our children you make a toy car without an engine yet our children will drive it and enjoy driving it. They will run with it and play with it. It will be there world and woe betides you if you try to take it from them. They are not interested in the real car that you have outside.

THERE WAS NO TRY AND ERROR IT WAS MADE AS GOD DETERMINED IT. HE ALSO WARNED US THAT IT IS ALL VANITY DO NOT TRY TO OWN IT AND NEVER BECAUSE OF IT FORGET HIM. HE WARNS THAT THIS WORLD IS NOT OUR HOME AND WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT OUR HOME . YOU CANNOT OWN IT FOR EVER.

BETTER TO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT HOME IN HEAVEN AND STORE UP YOUR TREASURE THERE. IT WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING IF YOU WERE TO GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSS YOUR SOUL.

 

[mmksparbud]

I think you've just said it, GOOD as in FUNCTIONAL but not PERFECT as in the ABSOLUTE ULTIMATE if i can put it that way. IT WAS CREATED FOR A LIMITED USE EVEN OUR BODIES.

This is just like the toys we make for our children you make a toy car without an engine yet our children will drive it and enjoy driving it. They will run with it and play with it. It will be there world and woe betides you if you try to take it from them. They are not interested in the real car that you have outside.

THERE WAS NO TRY AND ERROR IT WAS MADE AS GOD DETERMINED IT. HE ALSO WARNED US THAT IT IS ALL VANITY DO NOT TRY TO OWN IT AND NEVER BECAUSE OF IT FORGET HIM. HE WARNS THAT THIS WORLD IS NOT OUR HOME AND WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT OUR HOME . YOU CANNOT OWN IT FOR EVER.

BETTER TO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT HOME IN HEAVEN AND STORE UP YOUR TREASURE THERE. IT WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING IF YOU WERE TO GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSS YOUR SOUL.

Baloney--to be functional means to be perfect---if something is the slightest bit off---it will no longer be functional. We were made to be immortal. it was sin that barred us from the tree of life that gave that immortality. Sin made us dysfunctional. God does not make imperfect anything. Lucifer was perfect when he was created---he harbored sin by dwelling on his own beauty and lust for power. Anything that is man made will never be perfect. Our home in heaven is only temporary---during the 1000 years reign. After that, our permanent home will be here on a remade earth---as was originally intended.

 

[ChristaLife]

Baloney--to be functional means to be perfect---if something is the slightest bit off---it will no longer be functional. We were made to be immortal. it was sin that barred us from the tree of life that gave that immortality. Sin made us dysfunctional. God does not make imperfect anything. Lucifer was perfect when he was created---he harbored sin by dwelling on his own beauty and lust for power. Anything that is man made will never be perfect. Our home in heaven is only temporary---during the 1000 years reign. After that, our permanent home will be here on a remade earth---as was originally intended.

Romans 8:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

We were made imperfect and subjected to vanity and corruption but that is just for this temporary world YOU WILL BECOME PERFECT WHEN YOU GET INTO HEAVE AS CHILDREN OF GOD.
Flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT HEAVEN AND ON EARTH WE DIED.

WE WERE EVEN CREATED A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS YET WE ARE TO BE CHILDREN OF GOD. THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF LIVING NOW IS TO CHOOSE TO BECOME CHILDREN OF GOD OR NOT. THAT IS WHAT GOD HAS CREATED CHILDREN BY CHOICE NOT CHILDREN JUST BY CREATION.

MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW WILL BE CHOSEN OR RATHER FEW WILL RECEIVE HIM
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he powerto become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[mmksparbud]

Romans 8:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

We were made imperfect and subjected to vanity and corruption but that is just for this temporary world YOU WILL BECOME PERFECT WHEN YOU GET INTO HEAVE AS CHILDREN OF GOD.
Flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT HEAVEN AND ON EARTH WE DIED.

WE WERE EVEN CREATED A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS YET WE ARE TO BE CHILDREN OF GOD. THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF LIVING NOW IS TO CHOOSE TO BECOME CHILDREN OF GOD OR NOT. THAT IS WHAT GOD HAS CREATED CHILDREN BY CHOICE NOT CHILDREN JUST BY CREATION.

MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW WILL BE CHOSEN OR RATHER FEW WILL RECEIVE HIM
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he powerto become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Yes, NOW. After the fall. The original statement was that Adam and Eve, and all of that creation week, were not created perfect which is absolutely not biblical.

 

[Jamsie]

So then that post is missing a few Bible "details" where God Himself is speaking... and writing...

Now it appears that your argument is that we should be inserting any number of unknown millions days between each of of the days of the week -- but the text does not require such a strained use of the scripture.

What is more - vs 11 is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3 ... same author, same subject, same event.

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

And it appears that your argument is to insert a time frame that is not in the passage, in either Gen. 1 or Gen. 2? In Gen. 2:4 if creation was immediate why had no shrub of the field or plant appeared?

 

[ChristaLife]

Yes, NOW. After the fall. The original statement was that Adam and Eve, and all of that creation week, were not created perfect which is absolutely not biblical.

I GUESS I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY. You have to remember though that man was made from the dust of the earth. MAN THE SPIRIT WAS PERFECT AND WILL REMAIN THE SAME FOR EVER. THE BODY HERE ON EARTH WAS NOT PERFECT IT WAS LIMITING AND CORRUPTIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING. Man needed to choose from the trees in the garden for either perfection of condemnation.

Man was created righteous and that was the 1st step on the way to perfection. he must then follow Gods instruction by HIS CHOICE (NEVER COMPELLED) to become PERFECT. IF MAN HAD EATEN FROM THE TREE OF LIFE HIS BODY WILL PROBABLY HAVE CHANGED JUST LIKE WE WILL GET WHEN WE ARE TRANSLATED INTO HIS KINGDOM.

Romans 8:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

we were MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY.
1 Corinthians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1 Corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.