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How can an atheist have a relationship with God?

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I think there is a place, and for many (most, all?) of us, the necessity of both in our approach.

I say that because for some of us, at least I know myself, if I had never critically examined Christianity, I would always have lingering doubt that just PERHAPS what I put my faith in could be produced by my own mind - though that certainly invests my own mind with a great deal of power, beyond what I can believe possible! Still, for me, it was necessary.

But at the same time, if that is ALL we have, and we stand aloof from God, challenging Him, demanding that He prove Himself - well, God for His own reasons could certainly choose to do so, but generally speaking, such a prideful stance will be met only with resistance. At some point, we really do have to humble ourselves and open ourselves to possibilities, or else the heavens will be nothing but a solidly closed door.

How each person goes about this is probably different. If nothing else, it's good perhaps to ask God's patience and help in the process, even if one doesn't believe, if one wishes to find God. What have you got to lose? If I'm wrong, just a few words spoken to empty air. But if I'm right, there is eternal glory that be gained. Not a bad risk, if you ask me. ;)


Yes! That's a perfect way to put it. Thank you. :)
 
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Lol, if you have solved hard solipsism by all means invite me to the Nobel celebration!
If I were a brighter chap, I'm sure I'd find myself in the position to send you an invitation straight away, my dear fellow! ;) However, I find the mysteries of solipsism not only intransigent but also firmly embedded within the minds of many folks, and these mysteries are such that I can only but continue to ponder them ...

... thus, I (excuse the pun) doubt that I'll find the cure for anyone's hard solipsism any time soon, although I do at times surmise that a hardy slap to the face of the solipsist could be somewhat effective in helping him reacquaint himself (or herself) with some measure of reality, such as it is. But even if the solipsist isn't jolted back to a sense of realism by a slap, it might still remind him that other minds do exist--and that those other minds do mind that he doesn't seem to mind enough about the existence of other minds. Of course, the awoken solipsist could ask the other minds, “why?,” at which point he may well receive another hardy slap—but to the other side of his face, of course!

Isn't being human “wonderful”? (“Why?” indeed!)

It seems to me that if what we are left with is a contingent and relational understanding (not knowledge) of God then we might be circling back to Hume and the idea of linking our confidence in the belief to the evidence.
To some extent, yes, we are left with, or perhaps trapped in, a contingent and relational position to our understanding of God. But, as to Hume, I think he would have stressed that our imagination plays an accessory role to our respective “bundles” of apparent perceptual connection, and we arrive at some level of confidence through our imagination so as to avoid Pyrrhonianism, even though some doubts (questions?) remain. I might be tempted to slap Hume in the face, but that wouldn't be very Christian of me, now would it? ;)

If it is the case that God exists and burdens our E-theories beyond what they can sustain then our recourse might be to punt to externalism to some degree. That is, we can be as confident that our belief is true as the application of those beliefs seems to generate consistent and coherent results. So if my theory of God T suggests that action A produces result R then the consistency with which A produces R would be my measure of confidence in T.
Yes, I follow you. But at this point, pardon my apparent solipsism, I have to ask “why?,”--“why” I should drink your cup of T and not my cup of T? Moreover, what if we both soon find that we prefer to sip someone else's cup of T? :rolleyes: (Let's both ask the Mad Hatter, maybe he'll give us a sip of his cup of T for the sake of comparison?)

The objection that I would raise against myself immediately is that if it is the case that God is not the sort of thing that can captured by T then we don't have any way of attributing meaning to A or R.
Very sensibly put, Athee! In following your personal objections at this point, I'd say that we, by our own cognitive power, will only have contingent recourse by which to attribute meaning to A or R, and it is understandable that we all continue to wish to have a clear and distinct understanding of the T that we each think we have, respectively--a clarity probably never achieved by any fellow human being, at least, not by their own cognitive powers alone. (Excuse me a moment, Athee, while I ask our dear fellow Descartes to move to the next seat, which happens to be available on the other side of the table ...)

That is, if it is possible on T that in the event of a both R and not R can be shown to be internally consistent with T, then any sort of confidence level becomes an exercise in futility as there is simply no way to get anything other than a positive result.
To some extent, you're right. And, to some extent, I think Quine and Jesus would have an epistemic agreement with you … but there remain various epistemic contingencies for T that could mediate both R and not R and the outcomes of our apparent situation of “futility” ...

… that is, if various “contingencies” can be attributed to the set “any T” [T1, T2, T3, T4, T5 …] (let's call this CAT), contingencies typical of the human cognitive situation, both internally and externally that may mediate “any T”—then there may still remain at least one contingent possibility that some contingent meaning CM will manifest itself as a part of CAT and thereby be imputed to both A and R. But again, I must reiterate, within CAT we are speaking of contingent possibility; and this should be analytically differentiated from the confines of meaning we typically use when conceptualizing a state of affairs involving “possibility.”

Am I making sense, I'm not sure anymore...time to go read Kant some more, at the very least he will make me feel like I communicated my ideas clearly by comparison!
Yes, you make very good sense, Athee! And I understand your craving for assurance, cogency, and realism; it's a natural human proclivity, one we both share.

And yes, it may be time to read Kant; he makes for very interesting and useful study. I also think he was on to something substantial epistemologically, although I wrestle with his conclusions about Transcendental Idealism.

Now, the question remains, “Would you like another cup of T?” If so, you'll have to decide into whose cup you'd like the T to be poured and as to who will be doing the pouring. :cool:

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The short answer: Yes, I approached the investigation of other religions with an open mind.

I was raised Catholic, although no longer practicing (am now Protestant), I have much respect for it. I have never been an Atheist. I tried to not believe in God but it never made sense to me. I actually couldn't wrap my mind around how God possibly could not exist. I still don't understand how a person can live a whole life without knowing God.

I was more a person who was searching for the REAL God, not a false god (what I'd found in Buddhism, New Age, etc.), who never fully captured me. It's hard to put it into words and it was a long time ago. I knew God existed I just didn't know HIM at that time. There was always something missing and I could feel it deep in my heart. I possibly had found even up to 99% truth but hadn't found Him, my Savior.

So, I searched (seems an inadequate word - I was longing for truth, passionately seeking truth) for Him across the universe, in the Bhagavad Gita, the Torah, the Qu'ran, etc., and then ... found Him in my room, alone in a quiet moment with a simple little Christian text called something like How to Pray to God, it contained the Salvation Prayer. I asked Him into my heart, for real for once. Changed my life forever from that moment on.

You and I have had very different experiences, needless to say. But I find it hard to imagine that if you were truly born again how you could possibly now be turning your back on the truth. That's astonishing. However, it makes me feel maybe you never really knew God to begin with. Or, maybe I'm just lucky that He revealed Himself to me when I finally humbled myself enough to open my heart and really became willing to listen and believe. It had and still has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with reality.
Thanks so much for sharing your story, I appreciate the honesty and the obvious care you show.
I don't know how to respond to the possibility that I was not a true Christian. I thought I was, acted as if I was, prayed and studied passionately. If there is anything I could have done differently I don't know what it could have been. I wished then, and still wish now that God would give me an experience such that I could be certain that he exists. He hasn't yet though so I will keep studying and reading and hoping.
As for your seeking process it seems that there was a slight shift. This time you phrased it as being open minded as opposed approaching things with a childlike faith. Do you see those two things as being exactly the same, are they different in some ways. If so how?
 
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Athee,

I'm new here so I don't know your story (if perhaps it's posted elsewhere or was previously posted). If you don't mind my asking, will you share what caused you to abandon your belief in God? If it's too private I understand and apologize in advance.
No problem.
I ran into to 1 Peter 3:15, read all the atheist stuff I could get my hands on, to see what the other side was saying and read the Christian response to those things to find the best way of witnessing to the non believers. After a couple years of doing this on and off I finally admitted that I no longer believed.
Hope that helps.
 
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I think there is a place, and for many (most, all?) of us, the necessity of both in our approach.

I say that because for some of us, at least I know myself, if I had never critically examined Christianity, I would always have lingering doubt that just PERHAPS what I put my faith in could be produced by my own mind - though that certainly invests my own mind with a great deal of power, beyond what I can believe possible! Still, for me, it was necessary.

But at the same time, if that is ALL we have, and we stand aloof from God, challenging Him, demanding that He prove Himself - well, God for His own reasons could certainly choose to do so, but generally speaking, such a prideful stance will be met only with resistance. At some point, we really do have to humble ourselves and open ourselves to possibilities, or else the heavens will be nothing but a solidly closed door.

How each person goes about this is probably different. If nothing else, it's good perhaps to ask God's patience and help in the process, even if one doesn't believe, if one wishes to find God. What have you got to lose? If I'm wrong, just a few words spoken to empty air. But if I'm right, there is eternal glory that be gained. Not a bad risk, if you ask me. ;)
Thanks for sharing. I absolutely have done that. ..still waiting :(
 
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Thanks so much for sharing your story, I appreciate the honesty and the obvious care you show.
I don't know how to respond to the possibility that I was not a true Christian. I thought I was, acted as if I was, prayed and studied passionately. If there is anything I could have done differently I don't know what it could have been. I wished then, and still wish now that God would give me an experience such that I could be certain that he exists. He hasn't yet though so I will keep studying and reading and hoping.
As for your seeking process it seems that there was a slight shift. This time you phrased it as being open minded as opposed approaching things with a childlike faith. Do you see those two things as being exactly the same, are they different in some ways. If so how?

The way Anastasia put it was perfect. She said it in a nutshell exactly what I was trying to say. Sorry for the holiday brain fog I'm experiencing, cold weather does this to me for some reason!

I don't mean to disparage your experience and am not doubting you at all. What I mean is I'm personally shocked when someone says they "used to believe in God" and no longer do. To me that would be like saying, "I used to believe I was born in California, but I no longer believe that. I now feel I was born somewhere besides what my birth certificate states." What I'm trying to say in my inelegant way is that if you really believed and had a relationship with God how could you stop believing He existed any more that you would stop believing in your parents as having existed? To me it's the same type of thing. Like suddenly you decided to deny you had parents or something, when yesterday you were well aware of your parents' existence. Like being in a state of denial.

And now * it seems * from my perspective that you're trying to educate or logic your way back into believing in God. Or, that you, while still a believer, ran across a person you admired who shamed you into feeling foolish for believing in something as unproveable as God. You can't scientifically prove the existence of God. That's why it takes faith to believe in Him. If it took science then faith would be meaningless. Faith is a gift and faith also is a risk.

Regarding the people who responded to the Atheists that turned you off Christianity, who must have behaved in a less-than-Christian way, if I'm understanding you - if I had relied on other Christians to get me to Christ I never would have found Him. If you can leave other people out of it and when you're alone and quiet in a room do you really just continue ignoring Him? I can't imagine living that type of spiritual loneliness ever again, it makes me feel sad for those who do. True spirituality isn't an intellectual exercise. It's a relationship. Relationships take work, I get it. ;) My point is/was that if you had truly really known God as your Savior then how could you "unknow" Him? You couldn't. True salvation can't be lost, He will never leave you.

You remind me of my husband, in the way that my husband says the same thing you did, about the spiritual experience I had that gave me the certainty that God exists. My husband also says he's never had a spiritual experience that assures him of the certainty that God exists. But I wonder if you or my husband have ever sincerely asked Jesus to come into your heart with the childlike faith that takes humility of knowing you're really a sinner needing salvation. I had come to that point. Perhaps pain had driven me there. To such a low place that felt like hell that I cried out to Him and He saved me.

The childlike faith may come after the studies. It did for me. I started out trying to discern with my head rather than my heart. It is the difference between knowing all about God vs really knowing God. I knew all about God and gods. All about other "religions," even my own religion (the one I was born into). I was at the spiritual end of my rope, so to speak. So I stopped all the studying and decided just to pray with faith that day, just a few simple words. But I really meant them, and God knew.
 
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If you really want to know God, all you have to do is ask Him to reveal Himself to you. That's what those "Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened unto you," verses are really about. It worked for me.

God came to me (many years ago) because I asked Him if He were REALLY REAL to please reveal the truth to me, because my heart was longing for the truth. I had a lot of knowledge, both scientific and of false religious doctrines, that I had studied for years. However, my relationship with God began through my heart and not solely through my mind. I truly felt His presence, beyond a doubt, when I prayed the Salvation Prayer with sincerity. I received the Holy Spirit and He has never left me since. It was simple and pure and real. I pray the same for you.

I have so many questions for atheists but I will ask only one - how do you explain the unexplainable, when/if it ever happens, in your life?
I don't want to be an atheist, but I can't help but feel I'm moving in that direction, at best I'm a practicing Catholic agnostic.
I have asked God to make himself known to me for decades, but He's so far been silent.
As to the question, nothing unexplainable has ever happened to me, or anyone I know.
 
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Thanks for sharing. I absolutely have done that. ..still waiting :(
Prayers for you.

I wish I could help more, but I don't know you enough to have any insights.

I do have one thought - if I haven't already mentioned it to you. Given the means by which you "deconverted" have you tried the reverse? Maybe that's how your thought processes work?

I haven't read them in years, so I'm hesitant to endorse EVERY point they might have made, but I remember being fairly impressed with the direction taken by Lee Stroebel, for example, who iirc began as an atheist investigative reporter and I *think* he set out to disprove historic Christianity and became convinced of the opposite in the course of his research. He wrote books such as The Case for Faith and The Case for Christ. Perhaps reading something like that would help balance things out for you?

There is another book that I have heard praised, Atheist Delusions by David Bentley Hart.

In case you are interested. :)
 
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I don't want to be an atheist, but I can't help but feel I'm moving in that direction, at best I'm a practicing Catholic agnostic.
I have asked God to make himself known to me for decades, but He's so far been silent.
As to the question, nothing unexplainable has ever happened to me, or anyone I know.

I'm sorry you're struggling. Has God never made Himself known to you in any way at all? Do you have any blessings or gifts in your life? You say God is silent but maybe you're not seeing/hearing His language. For example, I find God in nature, in relationships with people I love, in music, in the blessings in my life such as my marriage, and my home (and even my job sometimes). I'm thankful, so I thank the One from Whom all good things come.
 
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I don't want to be an atheist, but I can't help but feel I'm moving in that direction, at best I'm a practicing Catholic agnostic.
I have asked God to make himself known to me for decades, but He's so far been silent.
As to the question, nothing unexplainable has ever happened to me, or anyone I know.

Hey Mountain_Girl,

If you're going to be asking God to come out of the silence and make himself known any time soon, could you please let me know when you do? Because, when those of us who similarly feel the silence line up to see the up-and-coming unexplainable event, I plan on cutting to the front of the line ... :rolleyes:

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The way Anastasia put it was perfect. She said it in a nutshell exactly what I was trying to say. Sorry for the holiday brain fog I'm experiencing, cold weather does this to me for some reason!

I don't mean to disparage your experience and am not doubting you at all. What I mean is I'm personally shocked when someone says they "used to believe in God" and no longer do. To me that would be like saying, "I used to believe I was born in California, but I no longer believe that. I now feel I was born somewhere besides what my birth certificate states." What I'm trying to say in my inelegant way is that if you really believed and had a relationship with God how could you stop believing He existed any more that you would stop believing in your parents as having existed? To me it's the same type of thing. Like suddenly you decided to deny you had parents or something, when yesterday you were well aware of your parents' existence. Like being in a state of denial.

And now * it seems * from my perspective that you're trying to educate or logic your way back into believing in God. Or, that you, while still a believer, ran across a person you admired who shamed you into feeling foolish for believing in something as unproveable as God. You can't scientifically prove the existence of God. That's why it takes faith to believe in Him. If it took science then faith would be meaningless. Faith is a gift and faith also is a risk.

Regarding the people who responded to the Atheists that turned you off Christianity, who must have behaved in a less-than-Christian way, if I'm understanding you - if I had relied on other Christians to get me to Christ I never would have found Him. If you can leave other people out of it and when you're alone and quiet in a room do you really just continue ignoring Him? I can't imagine living that type of spiritual loneliness ever again, it makes me feel sad for those who do. True spirituality isn't an intellectual exercise. It's a relationship. Relationships take work, I get it. ;) My point is/was that if you had truly really known God as your Savior then how could you "unknow" Him? You couldn't. True salvation can't be lost, He will never leave you.

You remind me of my husband, in the way that my husband says the same thing you did, about the spiritual experience I had that gave me the certainty that God exists. My husband also says he's never had a spiritual experience that assures him of the certainty that God exists. But I wonder if you or my husband have ever sincerely asked Jesus to come into your heart with the childlike faith that takes humility of knowing you're really a sinner needing salvation. I had come to that point. Perhaps pain had driven me there. To such a low place that felt like hell that I cried out to Him and He saved me.

The childlike faith may come after the studies. It did for me. I started out trying to discern with my head rather than my heart. It is the difference between knowing all about God vs really knowing God. I knew all about God and gods. All about other "religions," even my own religion (the one I was born into). I was at the spiritual end of my rope, so to speak. So I stopped all the studying and decided just to pray with faith that day, just a few simple words. But I really meant them, and God knew.
I completely understand your perspective about denying where I was born or my parents etc. The trouble I find with speaking about God as being relational is that if you asked me to demonstrate my relationship with my parents it would be trivial easy (unless one wants to be hyper skeptical ). I could call them, introduce you, show you the family picture (I was a cute kid!) etc. But when I ask someone to demonstrate that they have a personal relationship with the god of the universe there is never anything nearly as solid. Do you have something along those lines? What characteristics does your relationship with God have, what tangible, observable differences does he make in your life. ?

Back to childlike faith, it sounds like you investigated rationally first and then once you settled on Christianity adopted the posture of childlike faith. So what is different about the childlike faith posture that you have now versus the investigative approach that led you to believe in Christianity?
 
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I completely understand your perspective about denying where I was born or my parents etc. The trouble I find with speaking about God as being relational is that if you asked me to demonstrate my relationship with my parents it would be trivial easy (unless one wants to be hyper skeptical ). I could call them, introduce you, show you the family picture (I was a cute kid!) etc. But when I ask someone to demonstrate that they have a personal relationship with the god of the universe there is never anything nearly as solid. Do you have something along those lines? What characteristics does your relationship with God have, what tangible, observable differences does he make in your life. ?

Back to childlike faith, it sounds like you investigated rationally first and then once you settled on Christianity adopted the posture of childlike faith. So what is different about the childlike faith posture that you have now versus the investigative approach that led you to believe in Christianity?

No, I do not have a picture of God. I actually am sane and in my rational mind, believe it or not ;)

I based my word "childlike" on Matthew 18:3
And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The demonstrable difference in my life after God came into my heart was like this: I felt my heart was like a a lock. I was determined to find the key to open it, and I had a hundred keys in hand. Some keys I tried wouldn't fit the lock at all. Other keys entered the passage way of the lock but wouldn't turn. Once I prayed the Salvation Prayer that day, in my humble frame of mind, suddenly I felt the key go in the lock of my heart, it opened and God Himself flooded in. I felt a physical, almost indescribable feeling of warmth and peace flood my heart. There were no more questions in my mind. There was no more longing or despair in my emotions. I knew Him. It was miraculous, I won't deny.

And I feel blessed still. I've never felt lonely in the same way ever again since then. Of course I've still felt sadness and grief and human loneliness but I've never felt ALONE ALONE, as though abandoned by God, since then. Maybe my time is coming for that but I hope not. From that point on I understood the verse in Matthew 18:3. He changed me because I was willing to be changed. I was allowed to share in the Kingdom of Heaven. I understood that salvation is a free gift given by God through accepting the sacrifice of His Son on the cross. You can't separate those things, which was what I'd been trying to do. As I mentioned, I'd always believed in God but more as "the life force" of the world, the galaxies, the universe, nature, humanity. But at that time in my life I wanted more than just knowing God created the universe and me. I wanted to know Him. It's a long story but I studied the Bible because I wanted to know about God and I prayed to really be saved because I finally wanted to know God, not just have knowledge of Him.

If you're asking me for demonstrable, physical proof of God of course I can't provide that, especially through a computer screen. But you believe I'm a real person, right? Even though you can only read my words on this page? ;)
 
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No, I do not have a picture of God. I actually am sane and in my rational mind, believe it or not ;)

I based my word "childlike" on Matthew 18:3
And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The demonstrable difference in my life after God came into my heart was like this: I felt my heart was like a a lock. I was determined to find the key to open it, and I had a hundred keys in hand. Some keys I tried wouldn't fit the lock at all. Other keys entered the passage way of the lock but wouldn't turn. Once I prayed the Salvation Prayer that day, in my humble frame of mind, suddenly I felt the key go in the lock of my heart, it opened and God Himself flooded in. I felt a physical, almost indescribable feeling of warmth and peace flood my heart. There were no more questions in my mind. There was no more longing or despair in my emotions. I knew Him. It was miraculous, I won't deny.

And I feel blessed still. I've never felt lonely in the same way ever again since then. Of course I've still felt sadness and grief and human loneliness but I've never felt ALONE ALONE, as though abandoned by God, since then. Maybe my time is coming for that but I hope not. From that point on I understood the verse in Matthew 18:3. He changed me because I was willing to be changed. I was allowed to share in the Kingdom of Heaven. I understood that salvation is a free gift given by God through accepting the sacrifice of His Son on the cross. You can't separate those things, which was what I'd been trying to do. As I mentioned, I'd always believed in God but more as "the life force" of the world, the galaxies, the universe, nature, humanity. But at that time in my life I wanted more than just knowing God created the universe and me. I wanted to know Him. It's a long story but I studied the Bible because I wanted to know about God and I prayed to really be saved because I finally wanted to know God, not just have knowledge of Him.

If you're asking me for demonstrable, physical proof of God of course I can't provide that, especially through a computer screen. But you believe I'm a real person, right? Even though you can only read my words on this page? ;)
So for you the tangible evidence of a relationship with God was a glow and a peace after the paradigm shift and also a feeling of not being truly alone anymore.
Is that right?
And yes I do belive that you are a real person :) If God would have the kindnof interaction we are having I wouldn't be an atheist!
 
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Hi! I think such conversations are useless, even if you hold them for years at end. My recommendation would be to take a break from any discussion on the subject of faith with anyone for some time, then to read the four Gospels with a completely opened mind. As if you've never read them before.
 
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Hi! I think such conversations are useless, even if you hold them for years at end. My recommendation would be to take a break from any discussion on the subject of faith with anyone for some time, then to read the four Gospels with a completely opened mind. As if you've never read them before.
What does a completely open mind mean? Would you recommend I read the Quran the same way?
 
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So for you the tangible evidence of a relationship with God was a glow and a peace after the paradigm shift and also a feeling of not being truly alone anymore.
Is that right?
And yes I do belive that you are a real person :) If God would have the kindnof interaction we are having I wouldn't be an atheist!

I believe you can have personal interaction with God. Give Him a chance. Talk to Him as though you believe He's a Person and you may be in for the surprise of your life.

To answer your question, yes, I personally did receive tangible evidence, had a paradigm shift and felt, on a physical level, the Holy Spirit enter me. But, I realize that doesn't really matter in the whole scheme of things, because obviously not everyone will have that type of experience. You don't have to have that type of experience; my experience was unique to me and you will have your own individual experience. I feel that when I finally addressed God with the proper humility and respect and gave myself over, consciously and with my entire free will, to His Son, and accepted the sacrifice of His Son, He blessed me with an unmistakable (to me) sign.

However, I'm hardly the paragon of virtuous Christianity by any stretch, I'm a completely fallible person. In fact, I joke with my husband that "the Christians" (in the traditional sense) would probably disown me because I can't do the "man-made doctrine, rules & regulations" thing required by so many churches. I'm far from "religious." But I am a firm believer in the One Who created us. You and me, and everything else. And the message of the Bible speaks the truth to me in a way no other text I've ever studied, including other religious texts, ever has.

Believing is a paradox. It's impossible. It takes a crazy faith. Which is scriptural, by the way. And God honors that kind of faith, blind faith. I know it's true because He saved my life. From where I was to where I am now is light years different - better, hard to explain - how turned around my life became. And this has held true for 20 years.

Hebrews 11:1

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
 
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I'm sorry you're struggling. Has God never made Himself known to you in any way at all? Do you have any blessings or gifts in your life? You say God is silent but maybe you're not seeing/hearing His language. For example, I find God in nature, in relationships with people I love, in music, in the blessings in my life such as my marriage, and my home (and even my job sometimes). I'm thankful, so I thank the One from Whom all good things come.
I have good things in my life, many similar to what you mention, I play music, live in and explore the mountains, have a great family and an interesting job, etc. But I don't know if that's evidence of God.
 
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That sounds like pretty good evidence for God to me.
Is it? Perhaps, but then I'd have to ask, what about those who aren't so fortunate? If having good things in life is evidence that the Christian God exists and has chosen to bless me, then those struggling with war, poverty, illness, addiction, loss, mental health issues, etc...what do they have evidence of?
 
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That sounds like pretty good evidence for God to me.

I was thinking the same thing. Like, isn't that perfect evidence?

I guess it's all in the way you look at life. To me it seems sad to have the blessing of the beauty of nature in your life, but have no gratitude towards the creator of nature. Atheists miss out on so much joy and comfort. And peace. And certainty.
 
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