How Can Abortion Be Biblically Defended?

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I advocate they should have appeased the King to comply with God's will. We can't claim that they appeased God with civil disobedience. Based on the outcome, that's ludacris.

29 Therefore I issue a decree that anyone of any people, nation, or language who says anything offensive against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego will be torn limb from limb and his house made a garbage dump.

Well, I guess all the Christian martyrs just got what they deserved then huh?

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, I guess all the Christian martyrs just got what they deserved then huh?

James 1:2-4
Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

Romans 5:3-5
More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

1 Peter 4:12-13
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

 

[Justified112]

You're mixing standards as it's convenient for you. Abortion is not murder according to the law--that is all you. And then you turn around and say murder is against the law. Then to add to it, you say "hospitals do not perform abortions; they end pregnancies". You're trying to split word hairs, when the fetus is still equally dead.

A unborn baby is a living human being. It has all of the signature of both humanity and life. To take an innocent human life is murder. The law does not say anything about whether or not abortion is murder. Anyone who is honest and objective with the facts can admit that abortion is murder. Part of the problem is that we call it "abortion." That's a clinical term. The truth is that abortion is infanticide. It is infanticide in the womb.

I am not splitting hairs. Abortions are performed for ONE reason: To kill a baby. And no one goes to an abortion to clinic to save the mother's life. They go to abortion clinic to murder their baby. Hospitals will terminate a pregnancy when the pregnancy is dangerous to the life of the mother and/or if the baby is already dead in the womb. Those instances are entirely different than what happens in an abortion clinic.

In an abortion clinic a baby is ripped part piece by piece or burned with acid whatever in order to kill it. That is not how it is done in hospitals. You don't go to hospitals because a girl got pregnant by her boyfriend and she just wants to end the pregnancy because she doesn't want the responsibility of motherhood.

Since hospitals already have the ability to save the life of a mother, abortion clinics have no good reason to exist and should be shut down and access to aborting a baby as a form of birth control should be denied. If someone has a real medical problem with their pregnancy, they can got to the hospital and have it dealt with by real doctors who will do all they can to save both the life of the mother and the baby.

 

[Justified112]

No. They performed an abortion. Listen Justifief, I'm going to believe my friend who had the procedure done, not you someone I'm just meeting on the internet.

I don't really care what you or your friend say. It was not an abortion. Hospitals don't abort babies.

 

[Justified112]

The price they paid for not obeying local government was that any other religion not praising the jewish God were torn limb from limb. That may have included members of their own family. Given the choice, that is not how I would have expected shadrach, meshach, and abednego to treat me. So they should not have subjected others to that by disobeying local government.

That's the reason you are citing them by your limited memory of the story. Because you have forgotten the direct results of their civil disobedience.

With Daniel, an entire family of innocent people paid a similar price being thrown to the lions and gobbled up.

So, you are saying that all of those people in the Bible who resisted the local authorities by obey God instead of those local authorities were wrong do so, even though God honored their resistance???

 

[Justified112]

I stand behind the claims Jesus made before illustrating with His crusifiction.

No, you stand behind a very poor interpretation and application of Scripture. Using the Bible to support the wholesale murder of babies is a reproach.

 

[Justified112]

No. It’s a result of states trying to make abortion difficult. Look at the quote again. It took time to arrange for it. Note that they were all done out of state. Many mothers will take time to arrange time off, and find a place to stay.

It should be illegal, not difficult. It is sad that mothers are complicit in the murder of their grandchildren.

 

[SkyWriting]

No, you stand behind a very poor interpretation and application of Scripture. Using the Bible to support the wholesale murder of babies is a reproach.

I read that there has been no alternative "interpretations" offered.
Not a single one.
The only support being an emotional refusal to read scripture at all.

Daniel 6:3-5
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3,1
1 Timothy 2,1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Deuteronomy 16:18-20

1 Timothy 6:15-16
Proverbs 21:1
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15
Ecclesiastes 8:2-5

John 19:10-11
Daniel 2:21
2 Chronicles 7:14

Exodus 18:21
Romans 8:28
1 Corinthians 14:40

Deuteronomy 1:13
Romans 12:21
Romans 13:2
Romans 13:6-7

 

[SkyWriting]

It should be illegal, not difficult. It is sad that mothers are complicit in the murder of their grandchildren.

If you allow abortions to be outlawed, then births may be outlawed when the political wind shifts, as it always does. And there are rarely population declines in the world.

 

[Justified112]

I read that there has been no alternative "interpretations" offered.
The only support being an emotional refusal to read scripture at all.

That's not true. I am not refusing to read Scripture at all. I am simply rejecting your twisted interpretation of the Scriptures.

The problem is that you approach the Bible with an agenda to justify abortion and you are trying to mold the Bible around that agenda. A more honest approach to the Scriptures defies your agenda. Anyone can string a bunch of verses together that are ripped from their immediate and literary context in order to make the Bible say anything they want it to say. It takes no skill at all to do that. But I am not buying what you are trying to impose on the Bible. The Bible doesn't really say what you are trying to force on it.

That's not "emotional." It's called critical thinking and frankly anyone thinks critically about what you say cannot accept your claims.

 

[Justified112]

If you allow abortions to be outlawed, then births may be outlawed when the political wind shifts, as it always does.

The government is going make it illegal for people to be born??? That's just nonsense. You really need to stop grasping for such ridiculous responses.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's not true. I am not refusing to read Scripture at all. I am simply rejecting your twisted interpretation of the Scriptures.

And refusing to fix them with proper context. Try again.

 

[SkyWriting]

The government is going make it illegal for people to be born??? That's just nonsense. You really need to stop grasping for such ridiculous responses.

How China's One-Child Policy Led To Forced Abortions,

 

[SkyWriting]

The problem is that you approach the Bible with an agenda to justify abortion and you are trying to mold the Bible around that agenda. A more honest approach to the Scriptures defies your agenda. Anyone can string a bunch of verses together that are ripped from their immediate and literary context in order to make the Bible say anything they want it to say. It takes no skill at all to do that. But I am not buying what you are trying to impose on the Bible. The Bible doesn't really say what you are trying to force on it.

This is just a side issue for me. I discovered this biblical policy regarding a different issue and wanted to know what the bible said about local government.

I was wrong. Here's what I found:

What Does the Bible Say About Local Government?

 

[Justified112]

How China's One-Child Policy Led To Forced Abortions,

Again, your approach is ridiculous. The notion that if everyone supports life, the government will mandate abortions like China does is nonsense. Fewer people having babies in the US, as it is. Supporting life is not going to lead to more abortions.

 

[SkyWriting]

The government is going make it illegal for people to be born??? That's just nonsense. You really need to stop grasping for such ridiculous responses.

Sure, I can stick with the scriptures as the OP requests.
Regarding the scriptures subjection to local government:

Proverbs 20
2 The terror of a king is like the growling of a lion;
He who provokes him to anger forfeits his own life.

8 A king who sits on the throne of justice
Disperses all evil with his eyes.

Matthew 12:30
He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

1 Kings 7:7
In addition, he built a hall for the throne, the Hall of Justice, where he was to judge. It was paneled with cedar from floor to ceiling.

Proverbs 20:26
A wise king separates out the wicked and drives the threshing wheel over them.

 

[Justified112]

And refusing to fix them with proper context. Try again.

I don't have time to sit here and take every single verse you provide and exegete them properly. That would take most of the day. Anyone who is honest about the Scriptures you provide and can read a Bible and is even half-way theologically literate, can tell that you are mishandling the Bible to support an immoral, ungodly position.

 

[Justified112]

This is just a side issue for me. I discovered this biblical policy regarding a different issue and wanted to know what the bible said about local government.

I was wrong. Here's what I found:

What Does the Bible Say About Local Government?

The Bible doesn't say that local governments should be obeyed at the expense of obedience to God. And it still doesn't change the fact that you are trying to force the Bible to support your agenda regarding abortion. You are trying really hard to make the Bible say what you want it to say, and if you have to work this hard to do that, it's a pretty clear indicator that you are wrong and that the Bible, if approach with honesty and integrity, doesn't actually say what you want it to say.

 

[Justified112]

Sure, I can stick with the scriptures as the OP requests.
Regarding the scriptures subjection to local government:

Proverbs 20
2 The terror of a king is like the growling of a lion;
He who provokes him to anger forfeits his own life.

8 A king who sits on the throne of justice
Disperses all evil with his eyes.

Matthew 12:30
He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

1 Kings 7:7
In addition, he built a hall for the throne, the Hall of Justice, where he was to judge. It was paneled with cedar from floor to ceiling.

Proverbs 20:26
A wise king separates out the wicked and drives the threshing wheel over them.

None of those verses claim that our subjection to local government means that we are subject to those governments even when they order us to disobey God.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

I don't really care what you or your friend say. It was not an abortion. Hospitals don't abort babies.

One performed an abortion on one of my friends.