How Can Abortion Be Biblically Defended?

[usexpat97]

By supporting abortion, you are violating your principles in that you are supporting murder which is against the law.

In which country? Costa Rica? In the U.S., abortion is not against the law. Everyone knows that.

 

[Justified112]

There are no laws claiming that murder happens at such places.
So it doesn't.

I don't need "laws" that say murder happens at abortion clinics. When you abort innocent human life you are murdering someone. That is what abortion does. No Christian can support the murder of innocent babies.

 

[Justified112]

In which country? Costa Rica? In the U.S., abortion is not against the law. Everyone knows that.

Murder is against the law in America and abortion is murder. Unfortunately, it is socially acceptable murder in many places in the US.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

No, they terminated a pregnancy. They did not perform an abortion.

No. They performed an abortion. Listen Justifief, I'm going to believe my friend who had the procedure done, not you someone I'm just meeting on the internet.

 

[usexpat97]

Murder is against the law in America and abortion is murder. Unfortunately, it is socially acceptable murder in many places in the US.

You're mixing standards as it's convenient for you. Abortion is not murder according to the law--that is all you. And then you turn around and say murder is against the law. Then to add to it, you say "hospitals do not perform abortions; they end pregnancies". You're trying to split word hairs, when the fetus is still equally dead.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I support what it says. That's not so poor.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

We talked about this. Remember Acts 5, Daniel, and shadrach, mescach, and abendigo?

 

[hedrick]

Ok, so doing research, not being a doctor, is what gives someone the ability to make assertions? That's not what you told Justified, but thanks for clarifying.

Also, as a side note, I'm not sure really how extensive your research has been. You claim that late term abortions are almost exclusively done for medical reasons. This isn't actually true. Could you provide your research material that demonstrates this?

"Kimport, a medical sociologist at UCSF whose research focuses on gender, sexuality and social movements, followed up on the research in 2018 with 28 new interviews of women who got later abortions. She said about half were lacking critical health information about their fetus earlier in their pregnancy.

The other half of the women had challenges finding a provider, getting necessary approvals from doctors in states that require them, or had financial constraints. All the women in the study traveled to other states to get the procedure done."

The above research indicates that perhaps half of late term abortions are for convenience reasons? That's certainly an alarming statistic.

No. It’s a result of states trying to make abortion difficult. Look at the quote again. It took time to arrange for it. Note that they were all done out of state. Many mothers will take time to arrange time off, and find a place to stay.

 

[SkyWriting]

We talked about this. Remember Acts 5, Daniel, and shadrach, mescach, and abendigo?

The price they paid for not obeying local government was that any other religion not praising the jewish God were torn limb from limb. That may have included members of their own family. Given the choice, that is not how I would have expected shadrach, meshach, and abednego to treat me. So they should not have subjected others to that by disobeying local government.

That's the reason you are citing them by your limited memory of the story. Because you have forgotten the direct results of their civil disobedience.

With Daniel, an entire family of innocent people paid a similar price being thrown to the lions and gobbled up.

 

[Kaon]

Wow...

 

[hedrick]

In which country? Costa Rica? In the U.S., abortion is not against the law. Everyone knows that.

That depends upon how the current Supreme Court acts. There are states that are for practical purposes outlawing it.

 

[SkyWriting]

We talked about this. Remember Acts 5, Daniel, and shadrach, mescach, and abendigo?

I appreciate your defence of anarchy. But it's a fail.

Daniel 3
“Praise to the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego! He sent His angelam, an and rescued His servants who trusted in Him.ao They violated the king’s command and risked their lives rather than serve or worship any god except their own God.ap 29 Therefore I issue a decree that anyone of any people, nation, or language who says anything offensive against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego will be torn limb from limb and his house made a garbage dump.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't need "laws" that say murder happens at abortion clinics. When you abort innocent human life you are murdering someone. That is what abortion does. No Christian can support the murder of innocent babies.

The Pro-Life position must support choice, because if the majority opinion controls a pregnancy outcome, or a minority controls a pregnancy outcome, then the public opinion may change with the breeze and the Pro-Life position might not be the mandated outcome.

Induced Abortion among Chinese Women with Living Child - A National Study

Pro-Life advocates must support reproductive independence from government or else suffer the possibility of mandated abortions.

 

[SkyWriting]

No, a satanic bible would be one that supports the murder of babies in the womb. I simply reject your mishandling of the Bible to support something as demonic and evil as abortion.

No, I'm pretty sure it was exactly what the thread requested in the OP.
Sorry if you didn't read it.

 

[SkyWriting]

No, the pro-life position speaks to the value of every human life. As it stands now, we have people trying to play "God" by deciding who lives and who dies based on what is convenient for the living.

Women do get pregnant for a variety of reasons and none of those reasons justify murdering babies. We don't need to vote for or against abortion. Abortion is murder and murder is already against the law.

The internal contradiction in your view is that God abdicated his authority and transferred that authority to the government. But the government says murder is against the law. And as such, if your argument is that we must obey the government, even at the expense of obeying God, then you would have to support banning abortion since abortion is murder and the government has outlawed murder.

By supporting abortion, you are violating your principles in that you are supporting murder which is against the law.

I support the concern that Government might mandate abortions. Pro-Life advocates should be concerned that abortions may become mandated if government is allowed to interfere.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

The price they paid for not obeying local government was that any other religion not praising the jewish God were torn limb from limb. That may have included members of their own family. Given the choice, that is not how I would have expected shadrach, meshach, and abednego to treat me. So they should not have subjected others to that by disobeying local government.

That's the reason you are citing them by your limited memory of the story. Because you have forgotten the direct results of their civil disobedience.

With Daniel, an entire family of innocent people paid a similar price being thrown to the lions and gobbled up.

So your response would be to throw the Word of God in the garbage out of fear of men and bow and worship man made idols to appease the status quo? You have got to be kidding. Do you think that is a proper thing for a Christian to do? Read Acts 5 and tell me that Peter was wrong to disobey the Jewish authorities after they forbid Peter from sharing the gospel. I am sorry but I have to ask because your previous statement made the hair on the back of my head stand. As a Christian, where exactly is Christ in your life?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Wow...

how can a Christian hold true to the Word of God and support abortion at the same time? It seems as though you would have to throw the word of God out the window to justify it.

So they should not have subjected others to that by disobeying local government.

Case closed.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I appreciate your defence of anarchy. But it's a fail.

Daniel 3
“Praise to the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego! He sent His angelam, an and rescued His servants who trusted in Him.ao They violated the king’s command and risked their lives rather than serve or worship any god except their own God.ap 29 Therefore I issue a decree that anyone of any people, nation, or language who says anything offensive against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego will be torn limb from limb and his house made a garbage dump.

Really? Would you really be willing to denounce Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior to keep the status quo happy? Because that is essentially what you are arguing for. You are saying that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego should have rejected the one true God to appease the King?

 

[SkyWriting]

Really? Would you really be willing to denounce Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior to keep the status quo happy? Because that is essentially what you are arguing for. You are saying that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego should have rejected the one true God to appease the King?

I advocate they should have appeased the King to comply with God's will. We can't claim that they appeased God with civil disobedience. Based on the outcome, that's ludacris.

29 Therefore I issue a decree that anyone of any people, nation, or language who says anything offensive against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego will be torn limb from limb and his house made a garbage dump.

 

[SkyWriting]

So your response would be to throw the Word of God in the garbage out of fear of men and bow and worship man made idols to appease the status quo? You have got to be kidding. Do you think that is a proper thing for a Christian to do? Read Acts 5 and tell me that Peter was wrong to disobey the Jewish authorities after they forbid Peter from sharing the gospel. I am sorry but I have to ask because your previous statement made the hair on the back of my head stand. As a Christian, where exactly is Christ in your life?

I stand behind the claims Jesus made before illustrating with His crusifiction.
Note how this story below outcome differs from S.M. & A.? In this story, souls are saved. In S.M. & A. people are torn limb from limb.

7 “We have a law,” the Jews replied to him, “and according to that law He must die, because He made Himself the Son of God.”

8 When Pilate heard this statement, he was more afraid than ever. 9 He went back into the headquarters and asked Jesus, “Where are You from? ” But Jesus did not give him an answer. 10 So Pilate said to Him, “You’re not talking to me? Don’t You know that I have the authority to release You and the authority to crucify You? ”

11 “You would have no authority over Me at all,” Jesus answered him, “if it hadn’t been given you from above.

People like to imagine that Jesus words only apply to this one instance in the history of the world. But Jesus followers reiterate this claim Jesus made.

1 Peter 2:18-20
Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.

1 Peter 2:13-14
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't need "laws" that say murder happens at abortion clinics. When you abort innocent human life you are murdering someone. That is what abortion does. No Christian can support the murder of innocent babies.

Oh yes. Murder is defined by scores of laws. For example, God is not considered a murderer even though He flooded the world. Moses is nevers titled as a murderer.

- voluntary manslaughter
- involuntary manslaughter
- first degree murder
- second degree murder