How big should the USA get?

[LogicChristian]

Falconist Grand Council

 

[Praetor]

Were still debating what to call our executive board. Were deliberating on whether to call it the Falconist Grand Council, the Falconist Command Council, the Falconist High Command, the Falconist Continuing Committee, the Falconist Central Committee, or some other name alltogether.

 

[LogicChristian]

Were still debating what to call our executive board. Were deliberating on whether to call it the Falconist Grand Council, the Falconist Command Council, the Falconist High Command, the Falconist Continuing Committee, the Falconist Central Committee, or some other name alltogether.

They all sound equally ludicrous and self-absorbed to me.

 

[Praxiteles]

I cannot believe this thread is still going.

Take it from me; there is no country which wishes to be subsumed by the US. What you are talking about is conquest - and activity which, as history shows, doesn't generate much goodwill or peace.

Give it up.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

Quote Originally Posted by: Praetor

Anyone who does business with the USG, may it be building roads, bridges, power plants, railways, rail cars, must purchase all their machines and materiel from factories based in the USA. That means all steel used to build bridges must be manufactured here in the USA. All cables for power lines must be manufactured here in the USA and so on.

Actually, a tariff system does work , if it is done properly - example: The United States from 1789 - the 1960's.

Our tariff system enabled the United States to become an industrial superpower, while letting foreigners do most of the financing of our government for nearly 2 centuries.

The fact is, that the United States had a tariff system until very recently, and until we started to get rid of it, the United States was the richest and most powerful nation on earth with the best jobs and the highest standard of living.

In "theory", free trade sounds good, but in reality it is not working.

Tariffs sound bad, but they worked.

And the reason for that, is because in the real world -you cannot really have "free trade". Free trade assumes equality with the countries you are trading with, and they are not free, they dont have the same rules we do, they do not have child labor laws, they do not have OSHA, they are not restricted on polluting, they do not allow free movement of labor, they do not allow free entry into (their) markets, etc.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

They all sound equally ludicrous and self-absorbed to me.

I must agree. Especially considering there are only 12 of you all together. We normally call that a...jury, or maybe a panel. Not a political party.

 

[Super Gnat]

Super Gnat:

Are you honestly going to stop pursuing something just because you hit a certain age. If you have a burning passion to pursue something, then you pursue it no matter how long it takes. If you let time and other obstacles deter you from your goal, then maybe you really don't have the burning passion for it.

And the thing about a stint of federal service is that it may provide young people with time to seriously think about what they want to do after their stint may it be to go to college or trade school or enter the labor force. In fact, they will be more focused after their stint of service.

But if everyone thinks drafting people in their early 20s is a bad idea, then maybe we should raise the draft age to 50 and draft people in their least productive years. If we do that, we will get everyone that escaped the draft in Vietnam as well as all the GenXers.

I don't have a burning passion for my specific field, but I don't see why that's a bad thing. I like it a lot, I'm good at it, I'm pursuing it, and it's of value to humanity; why require more than that?

I agree that some people are/would be better for going into the armed forces. But I asked specifically about people like me, not people in general.

And, er, 'Grand Council'?

 

[intricatic]

I thought you were talking about the US government... I think a massively bloated federal government is a wonderful thing!

As for Manifest Destiny, I think each state should be viewed as a nation unto itself.

 

[Praetor]

Super Gnat, I'm not saying anything less than a burning passion is insufficient. All I'm saying if you want to go into something bad enough, then why a stint of federal service should stop you?

 

[LibraryOwl]

Bwhahaha! Lets take over Mexico! That'l solve our drug problems! While we're at it, we can "annex" Canada, they were always willing to wimpily go along with whatever we threw their way. And we should keep Iraq as a permanant possession, AND GET THE OIL FOR FREE! YAY! YOU LIBERALS WERE RIGHT! THIS IS WHAT WE CONSERVATIVES REALLY WANTED ALL ALONG!

 

[susanann]

Bwhahaha! Lets take over Mexico! While we're at it, we can "annex" Canada, they were always willing to wimpily go along with whatever we threw their way. And we should keep Iraq as a permanant possession, AND GET THE OIL FOR FREE! YAY!

It is an endless cycle. Since so many Americans want to overpopulate our country, out of necessity, it follows that we have to get more land, more resources, in order to support a bigger population. Anyone who denies this is not being honest.

When you add hundreds of millions of more people, you no longer have enough oil or empty land.

With our much larger population, we no longer have enough oil to support all those people, so we have to take Iraq and get more oil. We will eventually have to take over Canada to get more empty land. etc.

It isnt really even a debateable topic anymore, since nearly everybody wants to get bigger, overpopulate, and take over more countries to support all those extra people.

If you have more mouths to feed, you have to get a bigger pie.

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[SIZE=+1]Senators Fighting Over Who Can Flood U.S. With Most Foreign Workers[/SIZE]
Numbers USA ^| Mar 24, 2006 | Roy Beck


The Senate will return March 27 to debate proposals to add tens of millions of permanent foreign workers and their dependents over the next decade. The newest proposal by Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) (S. 2454) was touted as a more limited proposal than the giant amnesties being promoted in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

But Sen. Frist's bill would allow 20 million more permanent immigrants to settle over the next 10 years. That compares to 25 million minimum additions under the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill (S. 1033) and 30 million permanent foreign additions under the Specter amnesty bill (no bill number).

Americans who desire a less congested and more worker-friendly future can press their Senators to support an effort to substitute a bill like the one that overwhelmingly passed the U.S. House in a bi-partisan vote in December.


http://www.numbersusa.com/index

1990s Were Biggest Population Boom in American History

 

[LogicChristian]

Super Gnat, I'm not saying anything less than a burning passion is insufficient. All I'm saying if you want to go into something bad enough, then why a stint of federal service should stop you?

Because you realize that to become competitive in that field, you will have already spent up most of your life. With your plan, some MDs and research students would not become active in their profession until they are nearly 40.

 

[mhz]

It is an endless cycle. Since so many Americans want to overpopulate our country, out of necessity, it follows that we have to get more land, more resources, in order to support a bigger population. Anyone who denies this is not being honest.

It isnt really even a debateable topic anymore, since nearly everybody wants to get bigger, overpopulate, and take over more countries to support all those extra people.

If you have more mouths to feed, you have to get a bigger pie.

Actually, this is not true at all. While more resources are required to support a larger population, this does NOT mean you need more land. This would only be the case if each nation was an entirely closed system. As long as we have international trade, specializtion, and comparative advantage (the example your econ. professor probably used was that the US makes cars, Honduras makes bananas, and we trade). Not to mention, though this population would require more resources, it would also be producing more resources.

The best example I can think of, off the top of my head, would be Hong Kong and Singapore. Those are tiny nations (or quasi-nations, in HK's case). Their populations have grown drastically over the last few decades, but they have remained small islands. And they could still support a much larger population.

 

[LogicChristian]

A few funny Falconist links:

Their platform
http://falconistparty.tripod.com/id7.html


Wikipedia Talk article on Falconist Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falconist_Party

 

[Praetor]

Last I heard, were going to have a shortage of scientists and engineers. With proposed increases in R&D spending were going to need even more scientists and engineers.

And lets say someone does enter this profession when they hit 40, after 20 years, one can still retire at 60 and do something else. With the advancements in medicine that the medical community should be making, the average life expectancy should increase from 80 to 100 and those years in the 40s, 50s, 60, and even 70s should become more productive years.

But were already adjusting our platform to reduce the miinimum number of years of service from four to two.

In addition, were going to make changes in the public educational apparatus in our country where the first two years of college are actually taught in high school. While all the courses taught in high school will be taught on the middle school level. And all primary school graduates will have a middle school level education before entering middle school. To accomplish this, we will increase the average school year from 180 to 200 days. We will also implement year-round schooling.

This means by the time someone completes their B.S. degree, he/she would have another two years of education included. And the M.S. degree could include all graduate work minus the dissertation.

 

[LogicChristian]

Last I heard, were going to have a shortage of scientists and engineers. With proposed increases in R&D spending were going to need even more scientists and engineers.

And what better mechanism do we have for regulating how many we're getting than the market? If businesses need more scientists, they'll pay them more, and more people will want to become scientists.

And lets say someone does enter this profession when they hit 40, after 20 years, one can still retire at 60 and do something else. With the advancements in medicine that the medical community should be making, the average life expectancy should increase from 80 to 100 and those years in the 40s, 50s, 60, and even 70s should become more productive years.

But were already adjusting our platform to reduce the miinimum number of years of service from four to two.

So you still feel justified in sucking more productive years out of people's lives to put them into military service where even the military doesn't want them? Give me a break.

Not even the miltiary wants forced conscription, why are you so stuck on it?

In addition, were going to make changes in the public educational apparatus in our country where the first two years of college are actually taught in high school. While all the courses taught in high school will be taught on the middle school level. And all primary school graduates will have a middle school level education before entering middle school. To accomplish this, we will increase the average school year from 180 to 200 days. We will also implement year-round schooling.

Yet another huge proposal with absolutely no analysis of what it costs? How are schools going to afford to have students year round when the military budget is going to be taking up increasing amounts of the federal budget and state's won't be able to tax as much because of the huge federal tax burden placed on citizens and corporations.

Also, the first two years of college are already remarkably like High School for those students that engage in large numbers of AP or IB classes. So on that account, you're making up a proposal that has already occured in high schools throughout America.

This means by the time someone completes their B.S. degree, he/she would have another two years of education included. And the M.S. degree could include all graduate work minus the dissertation.

Again, that's already happened in American schools except for the MS work you mention. Also, why do you think MS student's shouldn't have to publish a dissertation? Do you think this is simply a waste of time? And why do you think you know what an MS student should do better than the university that is training them?

 

[WalksWithChrist]

A few funny Falconist links:

Their platform
http://falconistparty.tripod.com/id7.html


Wikipedia Talk article on Falconist Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falconist_Party

I've seen the first one alreay. And they went with Tripod for the web hosting. Yeah, that shows you're serious!
And the wiki thing was pretty hilarious actually.

 

[susanann]

With the advancements in medicine that the medical community should be making, the average life expectancy should increase from 80 to 100 .

 

[CCGirl]

I've seen the first one alreay. And they went with Tripod for the web hosting. Yeah, that shows you're serious!
And the wiki thing was pretty hilarious actually.

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Manifest Destiny

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]America is historically, an expansionist nation. The Falconist Party believes that the United States of America has a manifest destiny to unite the world under the banner of the stars and stripes, the currency of the U.S. Dollar, the prosperity of free-enterprise, the government of the U.S. Constitution, and the name of the United States of Terra. America also has a manifest destiny to lead the people of Terra (Earth) into the colonization of the oceans and the colonization of space, fulfilling Terra's manifest destiny.[/FONT]

This is priceless.....

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]#5. First unify North and South America under the Stars and Stripes.[/FONT]

• [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Each Canadian province will be offered U.S. Statehood [/FONT]
• [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Greenland will be purchased from Denmark [/FONT]
• [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Cuba and Haiti will be liberated and admitted into the union [/FONT]
• [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]All Latin American nations will be offered U.S. territorial status and ten-years later, U.S. Statehood.[/FONT]

Cuba and Haiti will be "liberated" .......
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[LogicChristian]

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Manifest Destiny

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I was hoping someone would have a similar reaction to that chunk of the platform.

My faith in humanity is restored.