How are we to explain these "miracles?"

TLK Valentine said:

That being said, if the Bible is correct, then Israel should be... well, in much better shape than it is.

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Israel is in pretty good shape. They have always done well as a nation. Many of their peoples are coming home from all corners of the world. There is an atmosphere of great anticipation in the air and many of the old ways are being brought back to life. Its the countries around it that are causing the problems. But then the bible predicted this anyway.

AV1611VET said:

Nope.

As one preacher put it, if Hinduism is correct, then India should be a virtual paradise on earth.

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And if Christianity is correct, then shouldn't America be a paradise? Meanwhile, you have drugs, corrupt politicians, and how many shooting this year?

I think we can safely say that this argument is out for the count.

My question stands.

KTS said:

And if Christianity is correct, then shouldn't America be a paradise? Meanwhile, you have drugs, corrupt politicians, and how many shooting this year?

I think we can safely say that this argument is out for the count.

My question stands.

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Beware of Satan he comes as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

KTS said:

And if Christianity is correct, then shouldn't America be a paradise? Meanwhile, you have drugs, corrupt politicians, and how many shooting this year?

I think we can safely say that this argument is out for the count.

My question stands.

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No True Scotsman in 3... 2...

KTS said:

My question stands.

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I take it you don't know what diabolical mimicry is, do you?

AV1611VET said:

I take it you don't know what diabolical mimicry is, do you?

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You're explanation for anything that doesn't comply with the KJV, apparently.

Armoured said:

You're explanation for anything that doesn't comply with the KJV, apparently.

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Thanks for the QED.

AV1611VET said:

Thanks for the QED.

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What, don't you like me paying attention to you?

AV1611VET said:

I take it you don't know what diabolical mimicry is, do you?

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Care to explain how it applies then?

stevevw said:

Beware of Satan he comes as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

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Then I declare everyone to be a false prophet. Care to prove me wrong? Perhaps you can describe for me the method your differentiate between false and true prophets?

KTS said:

Care to explain how it applies then?

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It means we give Satan credit for writing the Hindu creation account(s).

AV1611VET said:

It means we give Satan credit for writing the Hindu creation account(s).

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Well, Satan's always been the more creative member of the team...

TLK Valentine said:

Well, Satan's always been the more creative member of the team...

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You mean writing right-brained for left-brained people?

KTS said:

Then I declare everyone to be a false prophet. Care to prove me wrong? Perhaps you can describe for me the method your differentiate between false and true prophets?

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Thats easy if we are using sheep and wolves as the example that the Good Shepard is our example. The example of Jesus is our guide. His teachings , his words, his parables about how we can receive the kingdom of God and what we have to do. The sermon on the mount. If you read all these and see how Jesus says we have to be that is what we should go by.

If someone is saying he is from God and believes in Jesus and he isn't showing the fruits of the spirit of God then he is a false prophet. The bible says that many will say they know Jesus but Jesus will not know them. Someone may give to the poor and come across all holy. But they maybe doing this to edify themselves and not God. If they are putting money first even if they give some away and putting the things of this world first and not God then they are not truly for God. In the end those with more knowledge and responsibility will have a greater role. A lot of the church that keeps all their wealth in treasures to be admired while they could use that to help those who are dying and the poor will be judged as false prophets. If they know this and turn their back on the poor then they are turning their back on Jesus. They are just conforming to this world and justifying that its all OK. They are watering down the word of God and creating a plastic Jesus. You have to put God first before all else. Yes this may discount a lot of people but that is exactly what the bible says. There are many verses in the bible that tell us exactly how we should be.

Matthew 7:22-23
A Tree and its Fruit
…21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
1 John 4:20
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
James 2:14-26
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
Luke 16:15
And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
James 1:22-25
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Matthew 6:5
“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
James 3:17
But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.
1 John 3:16-17
By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
http://www.openbible.info/topics/hypocrisy

KTS said:

No, you may not. I am not placing any religion above the others - I am letting the evidence speak for itself. You are not.

How about we look at each miracle from the point of view of the believers of whichever religion the miracle occured to, okay? So if it's a Christian miracle, we can look at the Bible. But if it's a Hindu miracle, then we must look at the Vedas etc, okay? It's only fair, isn't it?

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Such "vantage point" is a position Naturalists have placed themselves in, an imaginary "vantage point". It holds no water nor value. It is a hypothetical point.

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quatona said:

Yeah, you have addressed what you read into my question but wasn´t there - in order to distract from the fact that you didn´t answer the actual question.
Just to be clear, and to help you get over your persistent strawmanning: For purposes of my question I am assuming that the supernatural exists, that you are a Superiours Special Chosen One, that you have encountered the supernatural, and that you have the ability to tell the natural from the supernatural.

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Interesting - you present the "what if".

I post what He has done in History.

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Heissonear said:

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Interesting - you present the "what if".

I post what He has done in History.

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You post a lot of nothing. You are just a broken record no one really listens to, you just keep repeating the same notes over and over because apparently that is all you can do. Either provide actual evidence of the miracle you claim to have seen, pictures, names, dates, places, etc. or stop talking about it, because I, and probably other people too, are sick of hearing the same crap over and over again.

PsychoSarah said:

You post a lot of nothing. You are just a broken record no one really listens to, you just keep repeating the same notes over and over because apparently that is all you can do. Either provide actual evidence of the miracle you claim to have seen, pictures, names, dates, places, etc. or stop talking about it, because I, and probably other people too, are sick of hearing the same crap over and over again.

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Some are more temperamental and irritable than others. They are hard to please, in many things, when around them.

But it does not change Spiritual Reality they have yet to apprehend.

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Heissonear said:

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Interesting - you present the "what if".

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Well, even only hypothetically accepting your premises apparently means being more charitable than you deserve - you can´t handle it.

I post what He has done in History.

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You post a lot of empty rhethorics, that´s all.

Actually people already have evidence of a miracle all around them but they deny the existence of God. As the bible says everyone has a witness of Gods creation in the things we see all around us and it is written in our hearts. When we look at the moon and the stars and the universe. When we see a flower and a bumble bee and a new born baby. These are all miracles of creation and life which we know of that were made by God and we can see that they had to have been made by God.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Ecclesiastes 3:11
Yet God has made everything beautiful for its own time. He has planted eternity in the human heart, but even so, people cannot see the whole scope of God's work from beginning to end.