How are we to explain these "miracles?"

[Heissonear]

I ask again, because you keep evading the question, and you did so again.

One experience or one example does not a working epistemology or method make.

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You say that the question was evaded. Apparently I gave you an answer you did not like or understand.

One true Miracle is enough to know distinctly what is Supernatural from natural - how Supernatural rules over the natural in no uncertain way.

Now are you going to repeat yet again you have not been given an answer? Or are you trying to know the Supernatural by mere words?

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[quatona]

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You say that the question was evaded. Apparently I gave you an answer you did not like or understand.

No, you keep giving responding to something I didn´t ask.

One true Miracle is enough to know distinctly what is Supernatural from natural - how Supernatural rules over the natural in no uncertain way.

So, since you are the guy who has encountered "One true Miracle" - share your wisdom on the rehearsal thing: was it a miracle or was it not?

Now are you going to repeat yet again you have not been given an answer?

Yes.

Or are you trying to know the Supernatural by mere words?

No. My questions aren´t designed to "try to know the Supernatural".
They are asked to learn about the method how Selected Ones like you manage to tell miracles from fraud and/or merely amazing coincidences.

Now, since you apparently don´t have anything but words to offer here, that´s what I have to go with. Don´t blame me for that.

 

[Kylie]

I do believe in miracles, actually. I just have a problem when people claim that all the unexplainable stuff belongs purely to our side. Don't like that Ganesha video? Google it, there's about a thousand of them out there. Are Some of them fake? Absolutely. Most of them even. But the same can be said about a lot of allegedly Christian miracles too. Like it or not, Christianity isn't the only religion supported by the precise same evidence and arguments that we use. And it irks me when people try to claim that Christianity is somehow more empirically supported than other religions. It isn't. And it is false witness to claim that it is.

But if even one of the miracles from other religions is true, what does that say about Christianity? Surely if a genuine miracle for Christianity is evidence that Christianity is real, then a miracle from Hinduism (such as if that drinking Ganesh was legitimate) would be evidence that religion is true as well, yes?

 

[AV1611VET]

But if even one of the miracles from other religions is true, what does that say about Christianity?

I'm sure it would be nothing Christianity hasn't heard already.

 

[Kylie]

I'm sure it would be nothing Christianity hasn't heard already.

Let's use the drinking Ganesh thing as an example.

If this WAS a legitimate miracle, would it be evidence hinduism is correct?

 

[AV1611VET]

Let's use the drinking Ganesh thing as an example.

If this WAS a legitimate miracle, would it be evidence hinduism is correct?

Who performed it? and whom does it glorify?

Let's do a little Bible lesson, shall we?

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2a And the sign or the wonder come to pass,

Notice this sign or wonder comes to pass -- legitimate, eh?

Now notice the message that follows it, stating the purpose:

Deuteronomy 13:2b ... whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

IOW, Ganesh in your above example.

How are we Christians supposed to handle it?

Let's let the Bible answer that:

Deuteronomy 13:3a Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams:

Why?

Deuteronomy 13:3b ... for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

God allowed it to happen to test our patronage.

So, to answer your question, I believe it would be evidence of the devil working under the aegis of Hinduism.

 

[Kylie]

Who performed it? and whom does it glorify?

Let's do a little Bible lesson, shall we?

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2a And the sign or the wonder come to pass,

Notice this sign or wonder comes to pass -- legitimate, eh?

Now notice the message that follows it, stating the purpose:

Deuteronomy 13:2b ... whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

IOW, Ganesh in your above example.

How are we Christians supposed to handle it?

Let's let the Bible answer that:

Deuteronomy 13:3a Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams:

Why?

Deuteronomy 13:3b ... for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

God allowed it to happen to test our patronage.

So, to answer your question, I believe it would be evidence of the devil working under the aegis of Hinduism.

In other words, "assume the Bible is true, and then we can conclude that the Bible is true."

You must get very dizzy going in circles like that.

Why is it that when some miracle of a Christian nature occurs, you turn to the Christian holy text, but when a miracle from another religion, you ignore their holy text? Oh, that's right, because you've already decided that all other religions are wrong, so whenever you are faced with any evidence to the contrary, you must turn to the bit of your own religion which tells you to dismiss it.

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words, "assume the Bible is true, and then we can conclude that the Bible is true."

You must get very dizzy going in circles like that.

Why is it that when some miracle of a Christian nature occurs, you turn to the Christian holy text, but when a miracle from another religion, you ignore their holy text? Oh, that's right, because you've already decided that all other religions are wrong, so whenever you are faced with any evidence to the contrary, you must turn to the bit of your own religion which tells you to dismiss it.

If you don't believe in these other religions, may I have your permission to do likewise?

 

[Kylie]

If you don't believe in these other religions, may I have your permission to do likewise?

No, you may not. I am not placing any religion above the others - I am letting the evidence speak for itself. You are not.

How about we look at each miracle from the point of view of the believers of whichever religion the miracle occured to, okay? So if it's a Christian miracle, we can look at the Bible. But if it's a Hindu miracle, then we must look at the Vedas etc, okay? It's only fair, isn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, you may not.

I beg your pardon?

So you can say A doesn't exist, but I can't agree with you?

 

[Kylie]

I beg your pardon?

So you can say A doesn't exist, but I can't agree with you?

I am saying that if we are to judge a miracle of the Christian faith by the Christian Holy text, then we should judge a miracle of the Hindu faith by the Hindu holy texts.

I was quite clear on this in my previous post, AV. Please read it carefully next time, and you won't misunderstand.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am saying that if we are to judge a miracle of the Christian faith by the Christian Holy text, then we should judge a miracle of the Hindu faith by the Hindu holy texts.

Nope.

As one preacher put it, if Hinduism is correct, then India should be a virtual paradise on earth.

 

[stevevw]

Who performed it? and whom does it glorify?

Let's do a little Bible lesson, shall we?

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2a And the sign or the wonder come to pass,

Notice this sign or wonder comes to pass -- legitimate, eh?

Now notice the message that follows it, stating the purpose:

Deuteronomy 13:2b ... whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

IOW, Ganesh in your above example.

How are we Christians supposed to handle it?

Let's let the Bible answer that:

Deuteronomy 13:3a Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams:

Why?

Deuteronomy 13:3b ... for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

God allowed it to happen to test our patronage.

So, to answer your question, I believe it would be evidence of the devil working under the aegis of Hinduism.

Also there will be false prophets even some who will claim to have seen Christ that they may deceive Christians. But there will be false prophets who will perform signs and wonders to deceive people.

Mark 13:22
…21"And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there'; do not believe him; 22for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23"But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.

 

[Armoured]

Nope.

As one preacher put it, if Hinduism is correct, then India should be a virtual paradise on earth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Nope.

As one preacher put it, if Hinduism is correct, then India should be a virtual paradise on earth.

That being said, if the Bible is correct, then Israel should be... well, in much better shape than it is.

 

[Heissonear]

No, you keep giving responding to something I didn´t ask.

So, since you are the guy who has encountered "One true Miracle" - share your wisdom on the rehearsal thing: was it a miracle or was it not?


No. My questions aren´t designed to "try to know the Supernatural".
They are asked to learn about the method how Selected Ones like you manage to tell miracles from fraud and/or merely amazing coincidences.

Now, since you apparently don´t have anything but words to offer here, that´s what I have to go with. Don´t blame me for that.

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Once again answers have been given in past posts to the petty "are you sure" questions.

You are experiencing the lack of what is Spiritual, and your doubt makes you question if the Spiritual Realm even exists.

In your dilemma you can: 1) go on in doubt and mental questioning for mere knowledge of the subject; or 2) tell Him who is always near that you are a have not and need your Spiritual eyes opened: you seek to know Him and His Kingdom.

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[PsychoSarah]

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Once again answers have been given in past posts to the petty "are you sure" questions.

You are experiencing the lack of what is Spiritual, and your doubt makes you question if the Spiritual Realm even exists.

In your dilemma you can: 1) go on in doubt and mental questioning for mere knowledge of the subject; or 2) tell Him who is always near that you are a have not and need your Spiritual eyes opened: you seek to know Him and His Kingdom.

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You have no right to judge people who doubt because they haven't seen physical evidence when you supposedly have seen exactly what it would take to make believers out of us.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

I beg your pardon?

So you can say A doesn't exist, but I can't agree with you?

You have already said A exists, so no, you can't agree that A doesn't exist.

That is the problem.

 

[quatona]

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Once again answers have been given in past posts to the petty "are you sure" questions.

You are experiencing the lack of what is Spiritual, and your doubt makes you question if the Spiritual Realm even exists.

Yeah, you have addressed what you read into my question but wasn´t there - in order to distract from the fact that you didn´t answer the actual question.
Just to be clear, and to help you get over your persistent strawmanning: For purposes of my question I am assuming that the supernatural exists, that you are a Superiours Special Chosen One, that you have encountered the supernatural, and that you have the ability to tell the natural from the supernatural.

 

[TLK Valentine]

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Once again answers have been given in past posts to the petty "are you sure" questions.

If they're so petty, why can't you answer them?

You are experiencing the lack of what is Spiritual, and your doubt makes you question if the Spiritual Realm even exists.

In your dilemma you can: 1) go on in doubt and mental questioning for mere knowledge of the subject; or 2) tell Him who is always near that you are a have not and need your Spiritual eyes opened: you seek to know Him and His Kingdom.

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So your entire argument boils down to you're special and we're not, so we should believe you.