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Hello, I am 22 years old and have been having bad thoughts for about 8 years. It was triggered in middle school when I was going through severe depression and had suicidal thoughts. I had a blasphemous thought towards the lord and felt so much anxiety afterwards. I begged for forgiveness and I believe he forgave me for that. However, I have had so many blasphemous thoughts since then triggered by different situations. Like cursing the lord and having sexual images of the lord. I know I don't feel this way about God, but my mind continues to believe god tortures me and therefore I continue to have the thoughts. These thoughts were especially triggered when I committ sinful acts such as sexual fantasies and masturbation, but I knew that the thoughts weren't rational so I continued the sinful act thinking I could control the thoughts and risk but I never could. I feel guilty because I dont like having the thoughts and would break down in tears in prayer. I also feel guilty because the thoughts could have been avoided if i stayed away from sinful acts and sexual desires. I pray everyday that the lord forgives me for my stupidity and careless attitude, but I feel he will not forgive me. I was a never a bad person and I would never speak ill of the lord in any fashion or try to convince others to not to believe in the lord, i just strayed away from the truth.

I can understand these thoughts, Nina, and how they might have first come about. Of course, the first time the thoughts ever occur, it's so easy to be surprised and blindsided by them that they seem "real", and then you are horrified to think that maybe those bad thoughts are the true self coming through or something, and that maybe you never belonged to Christ in the first place, and are destined for death, judged as an unbeliever, one who never truly believed, perhaps. And of course, those bad thoughts persist precisely because you were so initially frightened by them, caught off guard by them, and then you continue to worry about the possible validity of those thoughts, it naturally makes you (as any believer in Jesus Christ would be) more afraid that God has or will abandon you, that the second death is your end, and that there is no hope, for any and all sorts of crazy reasons you will somehow to be able to rationalize out in your head according to various Bible verses. It's a vicious and hellish cycle, and I am sorry you have had to suffer this kind of problem for so long. Eight years, you say? My heart goes out to you. I, too, once suffered, so I know how it feels, the hell that it puts the OCD sufferer through, and I will pray that somehow, some way God sees fit to heal you completely of them soon.

One thing is for sure, Nina, you are not alone, and God will not abandon you completely, nor will He push you away as His child, suddenly taking away your status as saved and covered by Christ's blood. Not account of bad thoughts that you as a flawed, sinful, and mortal human can possibly be expected to control. He loves you and is ultimately with you throughout all of this, Nina. Please keep your chin up. I know that it is really, really hard, sometimes, but I do not believe for a second that this is any kind of test or anything in which your salvation status is at stake, no matter how badly you might mess up in this struggle. When Jesus said at His last breath on the cross that "It is finished", He meant it. :angel:
 
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SarahsKnight Thank you so much for your kind words and quick response. It makes me feel much better as I have been just crying and asking for forgiveness nonstop. I didn't realize this was characteristic of OCD either, as I developed OCD in middle school and panic disorder. I was deathly terrified of having blasphemous thoughts because i knew that was the one unforgivable sin, it seems that the thoughts only increased from there. But since then I have tried to eliminate all things that can trigger these thoughts. I can only do better going forward. :)
 
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SarahsKnight Thank you so much for your kind words and quick response. It makes me feel much better as I have been just crying and asking for forgiveness nonstop. I didn't realize this was characteristic of OCD either, as I developed OCD in middle school and panic disorder. I was deathly terrified of having blasphemous thoughts because i knew that was the one unforgivable sin, it seems that the thoughts only increased from there. But since then I have tried to eliminate all things that can trigger these thoughts. I can only do better going forward. :)
I love this response! OCD tries to keep us going round and round with worry and fear, but our best response is to keep moving forward, choosing to follow God and do the things we know are right, no matter how we feel. Do you have therapy/support to help with your OCD?
 
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I love this response! OCD tries to keep us going round and round with worry and fear, but our best response is to keep moving forward, choosing to follow God and do the things we know are right, no matter how we feel. Do you have therapy/support to help with your OCD?


I currently take medication for my OCD, but the medicine only works for a little while and I have switch to different medicine. It's a cycle, I have to switch medicine every 3-4 months and its irritating.
 
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I currently take medication for my OCD, but the medicine only works for a little while and I have switch to different medicine. It's a cycle, I have to switch medicine every 3-4 months and its irritating.
Medication can be helpful, but I think that learning the correct mental strategies (through therapy or by learning on your own) can provide the most long-term benefits. Do you know much about how to deal with obsessive thoughts effectively?
 
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Hi there


I have been here a few times and the last times things were better...it all just seems so up and down....I suffer from blasphemous thoughts so horrific it makes me wonder how I even managed to be able to think these things in the first place.

This has been going on for about a year now...It started when I felt flat one day and spoke out loud to God saying that Satan's world is easier...(I didn't mean that I wanted anything to do with the enemy...I just didn't understand what was so wrong with sin)....I wanted to build a nice big house...have a bunch of nice things....and I felt guilty wanting those things I just didn't understand what life was all about....well I went inside opened up my bible and the first thing I read was a chapter where God was saying something like...you are my enemy..you pretend around my people and ended with the words...I will never let you in the garden where I would have offered you rest...I can't remember where in the bible this was as I closed my bible in fear and burst out crying asking him for forgiveness....certain that this was God talking directly to me...and why wouldn't he after what I said....afterall isn't the bible how God speaks to us?....I spent days feeling utterly cast out and terrified...I was a new christian too...I had not been in relationship long with God before all this started....

In about 0.5 seconds I understood the scripture...what does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul....I had just lost God (or so I thought)...eternally...who cares about a stupid house....and right now...from that day onward...I have been utterly completly cured of any materialism...All I want is God...absolutely nothing more or less...just him...thats it....but unfortunately the fun (not really fun) was just about to get started...


During this time a massive doorway must have been opened to the enemy because horrible thoughts started to happen....(before this day I never had any bad thoughts at all)...you h*** God....you h*** Jesus....the thoughts started....I was petrified...I started trying to read my bible but thought I'd play it safe by starting with the new testament...(I had become frightened of the old testament)...I had no sooner started Matthew and was reading about when Herod was looking for baby Jesus and this thought came ....you wanted him to find the baby.....like what??? I'm sure these thoughts were demonic...because I had thoughts like...this is what it feels like when God forsakes you...and one eerie thought that went like...haha your dead...it was horrifying and I truelly felt that I had been cast away....

At this time I had no idea we were in a spiritual war...I thought all these thoughts were mine...I'm pretty sure now the origins were from the enemy....the attack felt so vicious...it was literally breathtaking the horror of this...a living hell...I felt like dying...except I knew in death there is no God in hell...just the permanent absence of him...at least in life he was all around me...in the clouds...the faces of my children...the birds ...the rainbows...I started paying attention to ALL the little details...and I'd stubornly tell him that I was going to love him anyway...even if I was forsaken...that whilst ever I was alive...and could see the presence of him everywhere I was going to flatout adore him....

I have never been so terrified in my life...I hated every moment of these thoughts...of course the thoughts didn't just stop there....as soon as I learnt there was an unforgiveable sin...well yes my mind just went on thinking that.... the thoughts just kept getting worse...and all the while I'm floundering wondering how I could possibly think things that should never have even entered my mind in the first place....

At the time I was attending a little Anglican church...but stopped going as I got so embarrased sitting up the back of a small church every sunday wearing dark sunglasses and bawling my eyes out....nobody else cries in church??....I've started going to hillsong which is fantastic...such a beautiful church...and so huge that no one notices you sitting there crying your heart out every week....you blend in so much easier...

I've tried to talk to a few of the pastors about this...and nobody has ever heard of anything like this?....as soon as you say you have blasphemous thoughts about God they take a few steps backwards as if to say how could you....it's horrible...does anyone else find that so few people understand this? I feel like I'm the only one....and now I don't say anything to anyone...just suffer along in silence...I would give ANYTHING...to have pretty much any other trial thrown at me....I honestly cannot think of anything worse than this...

I came across the grantley blog and that smoothed things over for awhile...finally...i'm not alone...other people go through this....but why won't they (the thoughts) go away?

I started watching alot of christian TV during this time....alot of Joyce Meyer and Joseph Prince...which have helped remarkably...I keep remembering the words of Jesus...if you love me...you will obey my commandments....so I'm trying so hard to do all the right things....and I mean trying...I'm on a mission to try and be the best I can...as if by my actions I'm trying to prove to God that I don't mean these thoughts....I pray every day for him to take these thoughts away...to give me a heart like Jesus...the fruit of the spirit and all those lovely things...but I'm still waiting for the changes....

Joyce Meyer said something really powerful that I have been living my life by lately....do whats right when it all feels wrong....go out and be a blessing to someone else even when you are dying inside...so I have been busy trying to be a blessing everywhere...and honestly I love that...being a blessing has been fun...it has helped the feelings....but it hasn't stopped the thoughts

The thoughts are so bad it's despairing...They used to be just horrible ones about God...which were altogether gut wrenching...but then they progressed to a whole new level...where I feel like when I say Lord...it's like the enemys name will pop in and then I feel like being sick...I drive past my old church and have a thought like the house of the enemy...I have to drive past this church everyday to pick up my kids from school...and everytime I'm getting close to it...I start freaking out...in case I have that thought...or other similar...thoughts about the enemy...I can honestly officially say...the thoughts do not get any worse than this...I tossed up even writing about these thoughts here because I am so ashamed...but honestly I wonder how many others have thoughts as bad as this...is it just me?

Joyce Meyer talks alot about 'ruining the enemy's day' by being a blessing and basically not being riled by anything he throws at you...so I have turned this into a major life theme....I utterely HATE the enemy so much...that I basically refuse to be unforgiving to ANYONE (considering that I am going to be needing buckets of God's mercy) and also because I know just how much that ticks the enemy off...I feel like the enemy is ruining my life with these thoughts...so I am deadset determined to ruin his....I get stuck in a frustrating situation...I don't know like say...a one hour traffic jam...I just grin and bear it with a good spirit...why...because that would be making the enemy seethe...and afterall...compared to having these thoughts...ANYTHING looks like a bed of roses....

But then I wonder...what if these thoughts are me?...how ...just how...on earth can I possibly think these things....I often think that there is no way in a million years I could have prayed against this thing happening....I never could have even dreamt that you could find yourself in this situation having thoughts you never could have imagined thinking....it's a nightmare

The other greatest challenge in all this is I don't hear from God...I have no idea how to....all these other people talk about how the Lord spoke to them...or God told them to do this or that....and for me...nothing....silence...honestly God doesn't tell me anything...I am terrified of the bible....afraid I will have bad thoughts whilst reading it...thats why I like the tv preachers...I can get to hear the word without the paralising fear of blasphemous thoughts, or of reading a scary passage that I think applies directly to me....

One strange thing happened thoughout all of this...I think I experienced the baptism of the holy spirit (a warm physical sensation) and sometimes when I pray I have a pins and needles feeling....it sounds strange...I don't hear from God but I think I feel his tangible presence at times....anyone else have this experience or know what I mean?

I was baptised in water a couple of months ago and when I got out of the water a leader put her hands on me and prayed for me...when she finished she spoke the words.... "I sense there has been a great deal of sadness with you...but the Lord says that things are going to change and that he has a good plan for your life" this girl had never met me before in my life...I could have given her a massive hug...for the first time...I felt that God was still with me...still there...since I never hear from him personally it was such a relief to hear those words...how else could she have hit the nail on the head?

I look at all the other 'normal' christians and wonder exactly why this is happening to me...and why most of them have never even heard of this situation...and why can't I be just like them...I look at the worship team with beaming smiles and wish...wish...wish I was just like them...not necessarily on the worship team...no not at all.....just the beaming smile radically head over heels in love with God part....just like ANYONE else who loves Jesus without fear of having horrible thoughts....I just want the peace that Jesus gives...I'm still trying to find it...

This experience has so sharply put my entire life in perspective....there is nothing more terrifying...than believing in God....believing that the bible is absolutely correct....knowing that Jesus is the only hope unto eternal life....believing in hell...and then having a bunch of thoughts you don't want that you think are going to put you there....forever....and it's the forever part that gets me...it is utterely inconceivable....and all I want...all I long for is the relationship with God that just about everyone else in the christian world seems to be enjoying...I look around at half hearted christians and feel like giving them a shake...don't you know how lucky you are...to be able to sit in church without being terrorised and tormented...sort of thing....oh how I wish i could go back in time and be able to enjoy church....and worship music...the way I used to...without the constant fear...I miss the way it used to be, and don't know how to get it back....

I am so sorry about the long post...I really didn't mean for it to be this long...once I got started it just kept coming....anyway....I would love so much to hear the testimony of others....and what has helped....
 
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Long reply warning....

I'm a 38 year old pastor who grew up in the church. I don't remember how old I was when I heard about it, but it was probably around the age of 10. It was at a Bible Study at the church I grew up in, which was very small, and someone had mentioned the unforgivable sin, and the way that Jesus described it, and instantly, awful and vicious blasphemous thoughts flooded my brain, and fear flooded my heart.

For years I struggled with feeling terrified, and had no reason to believe that anyone felt like I did. I feared that if I verbalized what had gone through my head, that I would be committing the sin itself, and so therefore, I was alone. But I would have pockets of time - sometimes years - where it would go away for the most part, but it was still in the back of my mind.

I went to a Christian College, and two friends were discussing it, and seemingly concluded that it was essentially calling something that was good - bad. This stuck in my head for quite some time, and not long after, I found myself in a position where a thought popped into my head "if you do this, you will not enter the Kingdom".

For years this was like a plague, as I wrestled with the question of where that thought came from, and guilt because I had followed through with the action after hearing the thought go through my head.

Then I remembered my friends' conclusion that it was calling something that was good - bad, as I had considered the possible sources of the thought. I spent many sleepless nights trembling and when doing some research online, I came across a website that described this sin, and a somewhat comforting statement that "if you're afraid that you may have done it, you haven't." While that helped a little bit, it wasn't quite enough to conquer the fear.

This went on for years, and I would again, have pockets of time where it would go away slightly, and what I noticed (and still do today), is that when my fear that I have committed it in the past is overcome, the intrusive thoughts come through repeatedly. It tends to happen in cycles. I'll get to my conclusion on that matter momentarily.

I suffered with a certain kind of addiction that many people (mostly guys) have, and in the middle of acting out this addiction, the fear of this sin would haunt me, especially after I didn't stop when it went through my head. A few years ago, I had a nearly full-blown panic attack, which I probably should have been hospitalized for. And this was right after one of those pockets of peace. It came out of nowhere, a sucker punch. A past sin had come to mind and instantly I was seized with fear that, I couldn't be forgiven for it.

The twisting of the scriptures where this sin is mentioned are so easy to do. Many (myself included of course), misunderstand the context, or ignore it altogether. We assume that it is possible for a Christian to commit this sin, when it isn't. A good friend of mine reminded me that "if you're worried about it, you're fine". Again, this helped a little, but because I didn't understand why that was true, I had a hard time believing it.

Before we get there, let's remember the context. Jesus was talking to people who had just witnessed Him casting out a demon, and they hated Him so much, that they said the most preposterous thing they could think of. And He used plain logic to dispel that myth, that Satan couldn't drive himself out. Their hearts were so hardened toward Him, that they refused to believe that He was who He said He was, and nothing would change their minds. Furthermore, they had an audience. They weren't just thinking it to themselves, they were verbalizing it and trying to get people to believe it.

Key point, and this is incredibly important: it is extremely doubtful that when Jesus made this statement, they felt any fear at all. Why? Because they didn't believe in Him.

If you're afraid that you have committed the unforgivable sin, you haven't. Because I understand the meaning of certain verses now, I understand how and why this statement is true.

John 6:37 - All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

John 6:44 - No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Romans 2:4 - Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

Titus 2:11-12 - For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.

1 Corinthians 12:3 - 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Every one of these verses tells us that we are 100% powerless to come to Jesus without God leading us to Him. And how does He do that? Through the Holy Spirit.

Now, what sense would it make for the Holy Spirit to guide us to Jesus if we were unforgivable? He wouldn't. It's illogical. Instead, let's look at the mindset of those who (probably) HAVE committed this sin, or at least what their life becomes.

Romans 1:24 - Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

Romans 1:26-32 - Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Now - obviously these verses are speaking of homosexual relationships, but ultimately, I have come to believe that this is what happens when someone commits the unforgivable sin. They lose all reason, and they have no desire to return to God. They essentially lose all moral reasoning, and have a seared conscience. The person is shutting the door - not God. He simply grants their wish.

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

He doesn't want ANYONE to be excluded from the Kingdom, but His commitment to allowing our free will gives us the opportunity to say no to Him. This leads to the idea that Hell is locked – but from the inside.

And at the end of the day, the unforgivable sin is either 1. a verbal curse (which ultimately comes from contempt for them) that essentially rejects the Holy Spirit, which really rejects all three, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. walking so far away from God that we can't hear His voice any longer.

Picture yourself standing still, and you are talking to someone who is walking away from you. The person keeps moving, but you stand still. Eventually, that person is going to get out of range, where they can't hear you anymore. If you have fear of God in any way, shape, or form, you can still hear Him. And I believe that God can USE this fear of being unforgivable to get your attention, but once you return to Him, those fears should prove to be illogical.

Jesus refers to Satan with the nickname "The Accuser". Satan will do everything in his power to convince you that you are too far gone. So, this fear is irrational, but God can still use it for good.

Genesis 50:20 - As for you, what you intended against me for evil, God intended for good.

There is a bit more that I could share, but I can tell you that logically, I now know that it is literally impossible for me, or any other genuine Christian who wants to please God, to commit this unpardonable sin. The way that I overcame this a few years ago, was by writing the verses above and different events to prove that the Holy Spirit was active in my life, over and over again. It was like writing sentences in school when we got in trouble. It begins to sink in.

Think about it this way. The verses above (and there are many others), tell us the promises of God, and we tend to read one sentence out of context and assume that it applies to us, when it doesn't but the many do.

So back to this cycle. For me - it starts with a fear or a doubt of my salvation. My mind will repeatedly go back to a particular sin, or even several, to convince me that I'm lost, and can't be saved. When I use the verses above or this one:

1 John 1:19 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

All. Not some. Not a little bit. Not most. All.

So when I use these verses, I start to feel at peace, and then the other part of the cycle begins again. My mind is flooded, yet again, with blasphemous thoughts. I have coping mechanisms, by shaking my head, or just using Jesus' name, and sometimes they help, but at other times it feels like it just perpetuates them and makes them worse.

So why does this happen? Because your enemy, your accuser, and the deceiver is desperate. As humans, there is a healthy pride that we have that keeps us from kicking people when they are down. Your enemy doesn't share this healthy pride. No. He is a coward, and believe it or not, he is afraid of you. Why? Because you are a threat to him. And if he can get you to doubt your salvation, you may fall into despair, give up, or at the very least, not be the light that God has called you to be.

Now, as I finish this forever long post, I can tell you that again, like a sucker punch, the enemy came and hit me from behind with this fear - yet again a few weeks ago. In the last 2 years, I have taught lessons on this, and felt that I had overcome it, and it returned. However, I can say that because of the practices that I learned to defeat it the last time, it is far less anxiety inducing, because I have trained my heart and my mind to reject the lies.

We can either believe the truth of the Bible, or the lies that Satan tells to twist them into meaning something they don't mean.

I would apologize for the length of the post, but one of the most comforting things that I have come across, are the details in the stories of others that match my own. YOU. ARE. NOT ALONE. Do not believe the enemy when he tells you that you are. He is the accuser. He is the deceiver.

I truly hope from the bottom of my heart that this helps. I want to use my testimony to help others who have been in the dark places that I have, as I feel that's what God is calling me to do.

So spend time in John 6, and write the key verses down over and over again until you believe them.

Your creator loves you dearly.
 
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