Honest questions?

[Skaloop]

Ah -- I see.

Then I contend that evolution is blasphemy.

I take it evolution doesn't teach exceptions, does it?

Where did Jesus get his Y-chromosome, then, according to the Virgin Birth described in the Bible?

I'm assuming He had a full set of DNA, since He was the fully-human part of the Triune. Half of it, He got from His mother. Since He had no Earthly father, it stands to reason that the remaining half of His DNA (including the Y-chromosome) came from His Heavenly Father. Who was indeed His father, so saying that He got his Y-chromosome from His father doesn't disagree with what evolution would say about where He got His Y-chromosome.

Since evolution says that Jesus got his Y-chromsosome from His father, just like we can deduce happened based on the Bible, I don't see how it would be blasphemous. Jesus got his Y-chromosome from His father. The disagreement comes only on who that father was, but that is an issue of the one saying it, not evolution, being blasphemous.

 

[AV1611VET]

The disagreement comes only on who that father was, but that is an issue of the one saying it, not evolution, being blasphemous.

Let's assume that Jesus even needed a y-chromosome to be fully human -- did He inherit it?

 

[Skaloop]

Let's assume that Jesus even needed a y-chromosome to be fully human -- did He inherit it?

Yes. He came into possession of it. The method whereby He did so is what is in question.

 

[Belk]

It doesn't -- the Bible can call a man a man without having to look for y-chromosomes; and if evolution gets in the way, evolution can take a hike.

Evolution has diddly bupkis to do with Jesus needing a Y Chromosome to be Male. Explain to me how getting his Y chromosome from his father is blasphemy? You are aware you can only get a Y from the male, yes? You are aware you need a Y to be Male, yes? So unless God provided it you are kind of limited on options for where it came from.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes. He came into possession of it. The method whereby He did so is what is in question.

So it was done in spite of evolution, or because of evolution?

(Sorry -- I wasn't trained to be an evolutionist, and I don't think like one.)

 

[Belk]

So it was done in spite of evolution, or because of evolution?

(Sorry -- I wasn't trained to be an evolutionist, and I don't think like one.)

Tell us the mechanism God used to create Jesus and we will let you know. What's that? God didn't say. Guess we will never know in this lifetime then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tell us the mechanism God used to create Jesus and we will let you know. What's that? God didn't say. Guess we will never know in this lifetime then.

Jesus wasn't "made" -- He was "begotten":

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But He wasn't 'begotten' in the way evolution teaches it.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Tell us the mechanism God used to create Jesus and we will let you know. What's that? God didn't say. Guess we will never know in this lifetime then.

Last time I recall, there was scholarly debate over the virgin birth...like how Mark (the earliest gospel) doesn't mention it...like maybe it was added to vamp up the story a bit later on...

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Last time I recall, there was scholarly debate over the virgin birth...like how Mark (the earliest gospel) doesn't mention it...like maybe it was added to vamp up the story a bit later on...

"Alma", the only vague reference in the OT(Isaiah), is best translated as 'young woman.'

 

[AV1611VET]

"Alma", the only vague reference in the OT(Isaiah), is best translated as 'young woman.'

We'll we can be thankful that God didn't pick you to translate His word, can't we?

(You probably can be thankful too, as the King James translators would have probably politely escorted you out.)

 

[Belk]

Jesus wasn't "made" -- He was "begotten":

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But He wasn't 'begotten' in the way evolution teaches it.

What is the definition of "begotten" AV? Feel free to post it here. Then you can address the actual content of my post instead of getting nit picky over a word I didn't even use. How was he begotten? What was the mechanism? Where is it documented in the bible? Kind of hard to claim it was not the way evolution teaches when you don't know the mechanism. Heck, while you are at it why don't you tell us the mechanism evolution teaches. I am unaware of evolution requiring a specific mechanism of procreation. Why don't you go ahead and detail that out for us?

 

[CaliforniaSun]

be·get

   /bɪˈgɛt/ Show Spelled[bih-get] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), be·got or ( Archaic

) be·gat; be·got·ten or be·got; be·get·ting. 1. (especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).

2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.



Origin:
before 1000; Middle English begeten ( see be-, get); replacing Middle English biyeten, Old English begetan; cognate with Gothic bigitan, Old High German bigezzan

—Related forms be·get·ter, noun

—Synonyms
1. spawn, sire, breed, father. 2. occasion, engender, effect, generate.

 

[AV1611VET]

What is the definition of "begotten" AV? Feel free to post it here. Then you can address the actual content of my post instead of getting nit picky over a word I didn't even use. How was he begotten? What was the mechanism? Where is it documented in the bible? Kind of hard to claim it was not the way evolution teaches when you don't know the mechanism. Heck, while you are at it why don't you tell us the mechanism evolution teaches. I am unaware of evolution requiring a specific mechanism of procreation. Why don't you go ahead and detail that out for us?

And like I said before, I'm not going to let myself be subjected to a John 9 science inquisition by you guys, just because I asked where Jesus got His y-chromosomes.

(Assuming He even needed them.)

 

[Belk]

be·get

   /bɪˈgɛt/ Show Spelled[bih-get] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), be·got or ( Archaic

) be·gat; be·got·ten or be·got; be·get·ting. 1. (especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).

2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.



Origin:
before 1000; Middle English begeten ( see be-, get); replacing Middle English biyeten, Old English begetan; cognate with Gothic bigitan, Old High German bigezzan

—Related forms be·get·ter, noun

—Synonyms
1. spawn, sire, breed, father. 2. occasion, engender, effect, generate.

Thank you, but like humpty dumpty AV has rather unique definitions for words.

 

[AV1611VET]

be·get

Finish this sentence please:

A man begets a man, a leopard begets a leopard, God begets _________.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Finish this sentence please:

A man begets a man, a leopard begets a leopard, God begets _________.

Superman?

 

[AV1611VET]

Superman?

Ya -- Superman --

Kal-el vs El

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Baby god?

 

[Belk]

And like I said before, I'm not going to let myself be subjected to a John 9 science inquisition by you guys, just because I asked where Jesus got His y-chromosomes.

(Assuming He even needed them.)

Of course you won't. You will just make accusations on the blasphemy of science when you have neither the requisite science knowledge, nor apparently the requisite biblical knowledge to do so. You are once again just making things up and getting upset when we don't follow along with your bald assertions.

 

[Skaloop]

And like I said before, I'm not going to let myself be subjected to a John 9 science inquisition by you guys, just because I asked where Jesus got His y-chromosomes.

(Assuming He even needed them.)

If He is to be considered fully human (that is, a fully human male) as described in the Bible, then he must have a Y-chromosome, along with the rest of the DNA that was not provided by Mary. If He didn't, He was not fully human.

Keep in mind that I am not saying God couldn't have begat Jesus with an incomplete/partial/non-human genome and still had him walk around doing His thing. What I am saying is that God could not have made Jesus fully human without a full set of human DNA.