Homosexuality

[Omena]

It is a fact that eating pork is a sin in some religions.

It is a fact that wearing clothes of mixed fabrics is a sin in some religions.

Food for thought.

Yes, except that you ARE on CHRISTIAN forums, loudmouth, lol. So you'll probably have to get used to the fact that most of us here believe that homosexuality IS wrong according to what we believe, but if you read the rest of the RBPerry's post, he shared that this isn't a hate campaign against homosexuals. We can accept them as people, and show love to them, but we can't say that what they are doing is right. The same would be true of any of us who disobeys God.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, except that you ARE on CHRISTIAN forums, loudmouth, lol.

Does the truth change when you post on christian forums?

So you'll probably have to get used to the fact that most of us here believe that homosexuality IS wrong according to what we believe, but if you read the rest of the RBPerry's post, he shared that this isn't a hate campaign against homosexuals. We can accept them as people, and show love to them, but we can't say that what they are doing is right. The same would be true of any of us who disobeys God.

I was also pointing out that many believe eating pork is a sin. Do you think it would be a bit condescending for a Jew to say the same of pork eaters that you say of homosexuals?

 

[Gunny]

"For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members.
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."

Romans 7:22-25
NIV

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who commits sins sexually sins against his own body.
Do you not know your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body".

I Corinthians 6:18-20
NIV

"For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ"

John 1:17
NIV

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".
John 8:36
NIV

 

[Omena]

I was also pointing out that many believe eating pork is a sin. Do you think it would be a bit condescending for a Jew to say the same of pork eaters that you say of homosexuals?

I don't believe so, but do you know what I say about homosexuals?

The truth doesn't change when posting on Christian forums, I was just making the point that your examples of pork and different coloured clothes, for the most part, won't be seen in the same light as homosexuality amongst most Christians. It's like someone saying that murdering a person and punching them is the same thing. Some people may believe that, but to those who don't, there's no point in even making the comparison.

 

[andy b]

The treatment of homosexuals is the biggest piece of hypocrisy in both the Christian and Muslim world...the church is full of alter boy horror stories covered up ...a friend of mine with blond hair and was a body builder went to turkey and the Turkish men where obsessed with him and constantly propositioned him.....all good Muslims of coarse...

 

[Loudmouth]

It's like someone saying that murdering a person and punching them is the same thing.

How can you compare someone physically assaulting another person against their will with two people loving each other?

This type of disconnect is where much of the problem comes from.

 

[Loudmouth]

"For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members.
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."

Romans 7:22-25
NIV

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who commits sins sexually sins against his own body.
Do you not know your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body".

I Corinthians 6:18-20
NIV

"For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ"

John 1:17
NIV

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".
John 8:36
NIV

"Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord."--Leviticus 19:28

How many people are trying to get tattoo parlors closed?

 

[Gunny]

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who commits sins sexually sins against his own body.
Do you not know your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body".

I Corinthians 6:18-20
NIV

 

[RBPerry]

Take a look at Lev 18 and tell us what the punishment for homosexual behavior was. The issue of eating pork was dealt with and many of the Jewish rules. Just because we have freedom in Christ doesn't mean that we should live in direct disobedience.

Look at the AIDS epidemic, where did it start? It started in Africa but here in America it has been spread through first the homosexual community and of course now to both genders. Both heterosexual and homosexual people are contracting the virus due to sexual immorality. It is well known in San Francisco the average homosexual will have up to fifteen hundred sexual encounters with different people. Many are also bi- sexual helping spread AIDS to the heterosexual community.

You can try to paint the acceptance picture anyway you wish, but reality is it is a sin that is killing people. Pork, and mixed fabrics don’t kill people unless the pork isn’t prepared properly.

I have heard many pastors say they believe AIDS is a punishment for our immorality, I’m not willing to say that because I don’t know, but it seems like there may be a element of truth. We do reap what we sow.

 

[Loudmouth]

Look at the AIDS epidemic, where did it start? It started in Africa but here in America it has been spread through first the homosexual community and of course now to both genders. Both heterosexual and homosexual people are contracting the virus due to sexual immorality.

From what I have heard, the transfer between lesbian partners is zero, or nearly zero.

You can try to paint the acceptance picture anyway you wish, but reality is it is a sin that is killing people. Pork, and mixed fabrics don’t kill people unless the pork isn’t prepared properly.

Oh please. Obesity kills more people in the US every year than HIV does. If you were truly worried about people's lives you would be speaking out against gluttony. I find it interesting that christians are extremely selective as to which sins they are willing to get upset over, especially when it is non-christians who are sinning. It is the same as jews worrying about non-jews eating pork, or muslims worrying about non-muslims not wearing burqas.

I have heard many pastors say they believe AIDS is a punishment for our immorality, I’m not willing to say that because I don’t know, but it seems like there may be a element of truth. We do reap what we sow.

You won't say . . but then say it anyway.

 

[Nani-Day]

Unless loudmouth condones beastiality as well, then his posts are hypocritical.

Dont give me that animal abuse crap either. Dogs will try to hump anything from people to inanimate objects. If a woman were to submit to that and enjoy it (as well as the dog) then what harm is being done?

What about a 45 year old man who is attracted to a 14 year old girl? What if shes also attracted to him? What if they get married when shes legal and stay married happily until death do they part? If they truly loved each other then what harm was done?

These are the same type of disgusting arguments pro gay activist would use if they were fighting for and defending other sexual immoralities. If you have objections to these scenarios then youre going to have to do better than "eww thats wrong!" Yeah its obviously wrong and just like every other sexual immorality. So what makes homosexuality any better?

 

[RBPerry]

Oh please. Obesity kills more people in the US every year than HIV does.

That isn't really accurate. Most AIDS patients die due to the immune system being unable to fight off common diseases or viruses. So to keep things politically correct AIDS isn't listed as the cause of death. Many AIDS patients have died of the flue.

You won't say . . but then say it anyway.

Don't try to manipulate what I said. I said I don't know if AIDS is a curse or not. I do understand the logic many pastors have used to preach that. Reaping what we so is evident in the secular world as well as the spiritual.

What is very repulsive to me is the idea that someone wants to manipulate by beliefs of what God refers to as sin as a hate. Has their been hatred towards homosexuals, of course their has just like hatred of certain ethnic groups and it is all wrong and equally sinful.

You seem to want to redirect the AIDS issue, and the fact that the Bible calls homosexuality a sin. We Christians don't make up God's laws, we either choose to live by them or we don't.

 

[Andrea411]

The reason why sexual sins are so much worse than others is bc in them is 'life or death'. More people died from STDs in the past few thousand years than from AIDs, although AIDS promises to kill multiple millions more. The threat of death doesn't seem to worry people.... the fact that 70% of our children are being born to unwed mothers and this accounts for an enormous amount of the poverty and crime. Bc kids born in poverty don't have the advantages that educated families give their kids.
Not to been mention the millions of unborn children, God help us...

Sexual sin by heterosexuals has caused many more deaths than homosexual sin. Doesn't make any of it right, but please keep it in perspective. Thanks, andrea

 

[RBPerry]

Sexual sin by heterosexuals has caused many more deaths than homosexual sin. Doesn't make any of it right, but please keep it in perspective. Thanks, andrea

Maybe in the past, but not in our present culture. You must remember that the first AIDS person diagnosed with AIDS was in 1980. The reality is we just don't know how many people carried the AIDS virus prior to 1959 if my old memory serves me. Many of the sexually transmitted diseases are treatable and curable, at present full blown AIDS isn't.

 

[Andrea411]

Maybe in the past, but not in our present culture. You must remember that the first AIDS person diagnosed with AIDS was in 1980. The reality is we just don't know how many people carried the AIDS virus prior to 1959 if my old memory serves me. Many of the sexually transmitted diseases are treatable and curable, at present full blown AIDS isn't.

...more abortions than deaths from AIDS.... not really something I want to debate... its sad. I often have this discussion with young people to explain WHY the Lord takes sexual sin so seriously. its not bc He doesn't want people to have fun or to not demonstrate their affection for one another, but true love takes all into account and waits.
The point is that sin is sin and heterosexuals are committing every sexual sin known to man... so we are no different as a group than homosexuals. Adultery, fornication, lust, porn, prostitution... etc etc all degrades humanity. Not bc its sexual sin but bc the consequences are so severe....

 

[Loudmouth]

Unless loudmouth condones beastiality as well, then his posts are hypocritical.

That is the type of non-inclusiveness that is the problem. You actually compare the love that two adult human beings share to the rape of sheep.

You should be ashamed.

What about a 45 year old man who is attracted to a 14 year old girl?

If we allow a 45 year old man marry a 45 year old woman, are we being hypocritical if we disallow that same 45 year old man from marrying a 14 year old girl, or a female sheep?

Why aren't you applying the same rules to heterosexuality?

These are the same type of disgusting arguments pro gay activist would use if they were fighting for and defending other sexual immoralities. If you have objections to these scenarios then youre going to have to do better than "eww thats wrong!" Yeah its obviously wrong and just like every other sexual immorality. So what makes homosexuality any better?

Perfect example of christians being incapable of allowing non-christians freedoms as part of a secular society.

 

[Loudmouth]

The reason why sexual sins are so much worse than others is bc in them is 'life or death'. More people died from STDs in the past few thousand years than from AIDs, although AIDS promises to kill multiple millions more.

The flu killed 50 million people in a single year after WW I. Are you going to tell me that breathing is a sin?

Prior to vaccinations and modern medicine, 50% of children died before the age of 3, and 10% of pregnances resulted in the death of the mother. By your twisted logic, heterosexuality has been punished far worse over decades.

 

[Nani-Day]

That is the type of non-inclusiveness that is the problem. You actually compare the love that two adult human beings share to the rape of sheep.

You should be ashamed.

Youre completely ignoring that the attraction in homosexuality, and beastiality are the same abnormality. You also ignored my whole point completely. Also what is this nonsense about raping sheep...What?


If we allow a 45 year old man marry a 45 year old woman, are we being hypocritical if we disallow that same 45 year old man from marrying a 14 year old girl, or female sheep.

Why aren't you applying the same rules to heterosexuality?

What? This doesn't make any real sense.

Perfect example of christians being incapable of allowing non-christians freedoms as part of a secular society.

Nothing in this post answered any of my questions at all. It's just emotional rambling.

 

[Loudmouth]

Nothing in this post answered any of my questions at all. It's just emotional rambling.

If we allow an adult man to marry an adult woman, are we being hypocritical if we do not allow an adult man to marry a 14 year old girl, or a female sheep?

Can you explain how comparing homosexuals to animals is anything but emotional ramblings?

 

[Nani-Day]

If we allow an adult man to marry an adult woman, are we being hypocritical if we do not allow an adult man to marry a 14 year old girl, or a female sheep?

This still makes no real sense for your argument and is irrelevant to the scenario I posted earlier.

Can you explain how comparing homosexuals to animals is anything but emotional ramblings?

Both attractions are unnatural and abnormal. A homosexual says that they were born that way, and so does a zoophile. When these two groups act on their desires it causes negative health effects. They are both damaging, unhealthy, and unnatural sexual deviations. Now you go back and read what I wrote in my first post and tell me how homosexuality is any better than beastiality.