Homosexuality

[davedjy]

Why not?

As it says "the two become one flesh", it's a symbol of spiritual unity, it goes much deeper than "procreation", it's a symbol of love, emotion and commitment.

 

[StTherese]

As it says "the two become one flesh", it's a symbol of spiritual unity, it goes much deeper than "procreation", it's a symbol of love, emotion and commitment.

What greater symbol of love is there than a child? (Where you can take the statement LITERALLY...the two become "ONE" flesh)

Emotion is not LOVE. Desire is not LOVE. Sex is not LOVE. Attraction is not LOVE.

True love can exist in the absence of ALL those things!

 

[davedjy]

What greater symbol of love is there than a child? (Where you can take the statement LITERALLY...the two become "ONE" flesh)

Emotion is not LOVE. Desire is not LOVE. Sex is not LOVE. Attraction is not LOVE.

True love can exist in the absence of ALL those things!

Oh, you are confusing the statements.

Where does the Bible talk about the two becoming one, and the symbol being that of a child EVERYTIME they have sexual relations? really, it's not a hard one to figure out.

 

[StTherese]

Oh, you are confusing the statements.

Where does the Bible talk about the two becoming one, and the symbol being that of a child EVERYTIME they have sexual relations? really, it's not a hard one to figure out.

No, you are confusing the meaning of Love...

Just because a child doesn't ALWAYS result from EACH act, doesn't mean is shouldn't ALWAYS be OPEN to new life.

 

[StTherese]

Can a new life EVER result in a homosexual act?

So how can this be the will of God? Sex is the means in which new life is brought into the world...

 

[davedjy]

Can a new life EVER result in a homosexual act?

So how can this be the will of God? Sex is the means in which new life is brought into the world...

Yes, as I said, I don't always argue "original intent".


Did God purpose for hermaphrodites to be able to "bring new life" to themselves (They can impregnate themselves in some cases). Think about that one.

 

[StTherese]

Yes, as I said, I don't always argue "original intent".


Did God purpose for hermaphrodites to be able to "bring new life" to themselves (They can impregnate themselves in some cases). Think about that one.

I would rather not . People are capable of all sorts of SINS...doesn't make them right!

So why do you think God would change His will? God is outside of time and therefore not subject to change as we are. God IS, WAS, and ALWAYS WILL BE...NEVER CHANGING. Therefore, His original intent is still His intent today!

 

[davedjy]

I would rather not . People are capable of all sorts of SINS...doesn't make them right!

So why do you think God would change His will? God is outside of time and therefore not subject to change as we are. God IS, WAS, and ALWAYS WILL BE...NEVER CHANGING. Therefore, His original intent is still His intent today!

If a hermaphrodite impregnates itself, that's a sin? How do you jest? What is that...self-fornication? that isn't even committing a sin outside of their body.

Your DOCTRINE does not change God's truth and what He is saying.

His intent has not been carried out, because of sin defect and sin temptation. I believe that homosexuality is a defect as a result of sin, but I'm not even so sure that it's a defect anymore.

 

[savedandhappy1]

This is a lie. Read a book.

Early reports in the 1980's suggested that male homosexuals had an average life expectancy of less than 50 years - more than 20 years less than the overall male population. With the push for "safe" sex and improved treatments for AIDS, one would expect that the life expectancy might have increased since then. However, a Canadian study in 1997 found that male homosexuals have a life expectancy of 20 years less than the general male population (based upon a prevalence of 3% of the male population).1 Using several different measures, including life expectancy determined from obituaries, two large random sexuality surveys (in the USA and Great Britain), and a survey of those never married in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, indicated an average age of death of less than 50 years old.2 A third study, published in 2002, found that the median age of death of 88 homosexually partnered men was 45 years, while for 118 unpartnered homosexual men it was 46 years.3 This latter study put the average life expectancy of male homosexuals nearly 30 years less than the general male population. How does this compare to the average life expectancy of smokers?

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/homosexuality.html

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[Ave Maria]

Being a homosexual is not a sin. It is, however, sinful for a homosexual to commit homosexual acts.

 

[savedandhappy1]

you know men that are doing this act on one another most don't live past 45 of age.​

The body is not design for there intension's. living OUTSIDE OF GODS WILL CAN REALLY HURT. SPIRITUALLY AS WELL.​

This is a lie. Read a book.

Early reports in the 1980's suggested that male homosexuals had an average life expectancy of less than 50 years - more than 20 years less than the overall male population. With the push for "safe" sex and improved treatments for AIDS, one would expect that the life expectancy might have increased since then. However, a Canadian study in 1997 found that male homosexuals have a life expectancy of 20 years less than the general male population (based upon a prevalence of 3% of the male population).1 Using several different measures, including life expectancy determined from obituaries, two large random sexuality surveys (in the USA and Great Britain), and a survey of those never married in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, indicated an average age of death of less than 50 years old.2 A third study, published in 2002, found that the median age of death of 88 homosexually partnered men was 45 years, while for 118 unpartnered homosexual men it was 46 years.3 This latter study put the average life expectancy of male homosexuals nearly 30 years less than the general male population. How does this compare to the average life expectancy of smokers?​

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/homosexuality.html​

Study after study reveals that homosexuality, whether male or female, can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan. With all the attention on smoking, which the National Cancer Institute says takes from 7 to 10 years off someone's life, why not the same human outcry on homosexuality? Here's a behavior that's killing people 2 to 3 times the rate of smoking, yet nobody seems to care.

http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/hosx_lifspn.htm

http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/HealthHosx2.htm



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[Rick Otto]

can be affected by the added stress of being demonized, criminalized, ostracized, and being sensitive to the shabby fashion faux pas of social contemporaries.

 

[Gusoceros]

Being a homosexual is not a sin. It is, however, sinful for a homosexual to commit homosexual acts.

succinctly on the money

Well said.

G

 

[allhart]

Early reports in the 1980's suggested that male homosexuals had an average life expectancy of less than 50 years - more than 20 years less than the overall male population. With the push for "safe" sex and improved treatments for AIDS, one would expect that the life expectancy might have increased since then. However, a Canadian study in 1997 found that male homosexuals have a life expectancy of 20 years less than the general male population (based upon a prevalence of 3% of the male population).1 Using several different measures, including life expectancy determined from obituaries, two large random sexuality surveys (in the USA and Great Britain), and a survey of those never married in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, indicated an average age of death of less than 50 years old.2 A third study, published in 2002, found that the median age of death of 88 homosexually partnered men was 45 years, while for 118 unpartnered homosexual men it was 46 years.3 This latter study put the average life expectancy of male homosexuals nearly 30 years less than the general male population. How does this compare to the average life expectancy of smokers?​

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/homosexuality.html​

Study after study reveals that homosexuality, whether male or female, can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan. With all the attention on smoking, which the National Cancer Institute says takes from 7 to 10 years off someone's life, why not the same human outcry on homosexuality? Here's a behavior that's killing people 2 to 3 times the rate of smoking, yet nobody seems to care.

http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/hosx_lifspn.htm





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O.K. thank you for the info. Not a lie just miss in formed my man. Thanks again knowledge is good

 

[PinkTulip]

Yes, as I said, I don't always argue "original intent".


Did God purpose for hermaphrodites to be able to "bring new life" to themselves (They can impregnate themselves in some cases). Think about that one.

What? Yes, hermaphrodite FISH can. Please find me a case of a hermaphrodite impregnating themself through self-penetration.

 

[davedjy]

What? Yes, hermaphrodite FISH can. Please find me a case of a hermaphrodite impregnating themself through self-penetration.

I was talking about humans.

 

[PinkTulip]

I was talking about humans.

Me too! I have never heard of a human hermaphrodite impregnating themselves.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Homosexuality was never stated as wrong in the original text. The English version says it, but that's not to be trusted. The reason it's accepted is because it isn't wrong. If you're basis is a verse or two from the Bible, which , despite being written as an inspiration of God's glory, isn't entirely infallible anymore, then you can't begin to tell me it's a sin.

Homosexuality is simply another type of love. There is no reason to condemn the love between two women or two men.

This is something I no longer concern myself with. Because I spent month praying and talking with God because I thought for a while that those feelings towards other girls was wrong. But I felt no guilt, even while I was pushing so much of that philosophy on myself. God doesn't think it's wrong. It's the way He designed some people. The time of Leviticus is long past us and we don't have to live by it anymore. Christ made it obsolete when he died for us.

I don't even need that though since it's still not found in the original texts. Simply mistranslations.

Likewise, homosexual sex isn't a sin. That's just silly. God created sex for two soul mates to come together in unity. While it is...different for homosexuals, it's the same basic process. If God approves and instates homosexual love, then He also allow homosexual acts.

 

[allhart]

I was talking about humans.

You know it really sounds like you are trying to manipulate the word and this is heart breaking .Whats your agenda? To have it your way.You can line up your free will up with other ,but that doesn't make it right. You can't make the honest dishonest

 

[davedjy]

Homosexuality was never stated as wrong in the original text. The English version says it, but that's not to be trusted. The reason it's accepted is because it isn't wrong. If you're basis is a verse or two from the Bible, which , despite being written as an inspiration of God's glory, isn't entirely infallible anymore, then you can't begin to tell me it's a sin.

Homosexuality is simply another type of love. There is no reason to condemn the love between two women or two men.

This is something I no longer concern myself with. Because I spent month praying and talking with God because I thought for a while that those feelings towards other girls was wrong. But I felt no guilt, even while I was pushing so much of that philosophy on myself. God doesn't think it's wrong. It's the way He designed some people. The time of Leviticus is long past us and we don't have to live by it anymore. Christ made it obsolete when he died for us.

I don't even need that though since it's still not found in the original texts. Simply mistranslations.

Likewise, homosexual sex isn't a sin. That's just silly. God created sex for two soul mates to come together in unity. While it is...different for homosexuals, it's the same basic process. If God approves and instates homosexual love, then He also allow homosexual acts.

Reps and welcome to the forum.

You know it really sounds like you are trying to manipulate the word and this is heart breaking .Whats your agenda? To have it your way.You can line up your free will up with other ,but that doesn't make it right. You can't make the honest dishonest

I don't want anyone to go through the pain I went through for years over this. I was in bondage, so I am helping people that are struggling w/guilt that is not from Jesus Christ. It is man-made doctrine that has kept gay and bisexual people from experiencing Christ to their full potential.