Homosexuality

[sunlover1]

I believe that homosexuality is a defect as a result of sin, but I'm not even so sure that it's a defect anymore.

Hello,
I have a friend that I met through Exodus.
She must be in her late eighties by now, I haven't seen her in a few years, but anyhow, she's on fire for God, living a life alone because she has absolutely zero attraction to men, but is still attracted to women.
She is a beautiful Christian woman, and my heart goes out to her and anyone else in this situation.

I want to say I have an answer, but in reality I have a theory, which I won't share because it possibly won't encourage.
Maybe another time.

sunlover

Luke 4:17-20
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

 

[davedjy]

Hello,
I have a friend that I met through Exodus.
She must be in her late eighties by now, I haven't seen her in a few years, but anyhow, she's on fire for God, living a life alone because she has absolutely zero attraction to men, but is still attracted to women.
She is a beautiful Christian woman, and my heart goes out to her and anyone else in this situation.

I want to say I have an answer, but in reality I have a theory, which I won't share because it possibly won't encourage.
Maybe another time.

sunlover

Luke 4:17-20
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Exodus is a very DANGEROUS program! I have many cited examples of how unethical they are. Any organization that goes against the UNBIASED ethics of all credible mental health foundations, plus the staggering rate of depression and suicide rates. The founding member has been spotted in gay bars recently...these people are liars and are hurting others w/scams and making lots of $$$$$$$$ in the process.

People are killing themselves because they think God hates their thoughts and attractions as "sin", and that they will go to hell. They are not! and the sheer proof is that any creation that has a more sophisticated society is more likely to have homosexuality. It is a symbol of sophistication on a social level.

 

[allhart]

Reps and welcome to the forum.



I don't want anyone to go through the pain I went through for years over this. I was in bondage, so I am helping people that are struggling w/guilt that is not from Jesus Christ. It is man-made doctrine that has kept gay and bisexual people from experiencing Christ to their full potential.

Ok, so you are saying that your emotions override your guilt and you want comfort and say that allll of this is OK in Gods eyes. But he clearly states it is not the way he meant for mankind to live. Just say I woke up in the morning and didn't feel like going to work it a true feeling but is it the right one, if I acted on it? And consistently acted on it, there would be no money or a job in the end. So emotionally you can't react you have to a foundation. In the end God's principals and your freewill are like oil and water they don't mix and you shouldn't try to comfort the Holy Spirit conviction for change or correction. If you can't get past the guilt or conviction then on must pour their whole live into God and celibacy is the way out, God always leaves a way out, may not be the one thing we want to do emotionally but it is the right one. God Bless ..sorry for your heartache ..don't forget everyone has their own mountain to climb some more than others.

 

[WalkingforHim]

WITH RESPECT (WHAT EVER) GO LOOK AT SURVEYS AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WOMEN (MEN)

I try not to read well known lies and spread them around.

Early reports in the 1980's suggested that male homosexuals had an average life expectancy of less than 50 years - more than 20 years less than the overall male population. With the push for "safe" sex and improved treatments for AIDS, one would expect that the life expectancy might have increased since then. However, a Canadian study in 1997 found that male homosexuals have a life expectancy of 20 years less than the general male population (based upon a prevalence of 3% of the male population).1 Using several different measures, including life expectancy determined from obituaries, two large random sexuality surveys (in the USA and Great Britain), and a survey of those never married in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, indicated an average age of death of less than 50 years old.2 A third study, published in 2002, found that the median age of death of 88 homosexually partnered men was 45 years, while for 118 unpartnered homosexual men it was 46 years.3 This latter study put the average life expectancy of male homosexuals nearly 30 years less than the general male population. How does this compare to the average life expectancy of smokers?
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrin...sexuality.html

You site derives it's flawed finding from the lies of Kirk Cameron.

It's sad that some people will believe anyone and anything just to advance their agenda.

O.K. thank you for the info. Not a lie just miss in formed my man. Thanks again knowledge is good

You mean lies are good, because that's what you're being fed.

 

[intricatic]

People are killing themselves because they think God hates their thoughts and attractions as "sin", and that they will go to hell. They are not! and the sheer proof is that any creation that has a more sophisticated society is more likely to have homosexuality. It is a symbol of sophistication on a social level.

Thoughts and attractions are not sin unless they're empowered.

 

[davedjy]

I try not to read well known lies and spread them around.



You site derives it's flawed finding from the lies of Kirk Cameron.

It's sad that some people will believe anyone and anything just to advance their agenda.



You mean lies are good, because that's what you're being fed.

KirK Cameron's arguments are VERY flawed, excellent point. He has unethical info on Evolution as well...I don't know what I believe on that subject, but if he taints the truth on one thing, I'm sure he will do it on others. SICK.

 

[davedjy]

Thoughts and attractions are not sin unless they're empowered.

Lust IS sin according to this theology (dwelling on the thoughts).

 

[intricatic]

Lust IS sin according to this theology (dwelling on the thoughts).

Only if empowered. Lust and attraction have no power over a person unless they're submitted to the lust and attraction.

 

[davedjy]

Ok, so you are saying that your emotions override your guilt and you want comfort and say that allll of this is OK in Gods eyes. But he clearly states it is not the way he meant for mankind to live. Just say I woke up in the morning and didn't feel like going to work it a true feeling but is it the right one, if I acted on it? And consistently acted on it, there would be no money or a job in the end. So emotionally you can't react you have to a foundation. In the end God's principals and your freewill are like oil and water they don't mix and you shouldn't try to comfort the Holy Spirit conviction for change or correction. If you can't get past the guilt or conviction then on must pour their whole live into God and celibacy is the way out, God always leaves a way out, may not be the one thing we want to do emotionally but it is the right one. God Bless ..sorry for your heartache ..don't forget everyone has their own mountain to climb some more than others.

Did I say that? No, the doctrine overrode my emotion and guilt on this...it wasn't coming from God. Jesus convicts and not condemns. You don't even know, but you are coming to conclusions on "what happened".

 

[allhart]

I try not to read well known lies and spread them around.



You site derives it's flawed finding from the lies of Kirk Cameron.

It's sad that some people will believe anyone and anything just to advance their agenda.



You mean lies are good, because that's what you're being fed.

O.K. I will turn the other cheek now.read from the bible for ethics not agendas that all i can do ,but you want your agenda

 

[WalkingforHim]

O.K. I will turn the other cheek now.read from the bible for ethics not agendas that all i can do ,but you want your agenda

What did you just say?

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Reps and welcome to the forum.

Thank you. Glad to be here.

Ok, so you are saying that your emotions override your guilt and you want comfort and say that allll of this is OK in Gods eyes. But he clearly states it is not the way he meant for mankind to live. Just say I woke up in the morning and didn't feel like going to work it a true feeling but is it the right one, if I acted on it? And consistently acted on it, there would be no money or a job in the end. So emotionally you can't react you have to a foundation. In the end God's principals and your freewill are like oil and water they don't mix and you shouldn't try to comfort the Holy Spirit conviction for change or correction. If you can't get past the guilt or conviction then on must pour their whole live into God and celibacy is the way out, God always leaves a way out, may not be the one thing we want to do emotionally but it is the right one. God Bless ..sorry for your heartache ..don't forget everyone has their own mountain to climb some more than others.

God never directly said that homosexuality was wrong except in Leviticus. And He also condemned many other things that were practice anyway. It wasn't so much to condemn the act as it was to protect the people and fullfill His promise to Abraham. I suppose tattoos are a sin too?

Truth be told, no one understands God's will better than anyone else. So no one person can determine if a controvercial sin (like homosexuality) is right or wrong. Things that are plainly repeated in the Bible like lust (Christ said if you look at a women with LUST in your eye, you've already commited adultery of the heart) and murder (including abortion), and cause serious guilt NOT confusion are obvious sins. But if that guilts is not widespread and if there isn't any proof God's will doesn't allow it, than it can't be one persons right to decide it's WRONG. Or even many. If it isn't forbidden by God then it's not wrong. Homosexuality was forbidden to help the Jews in a time of great peril, not because God created humans to love only one gender.

 

[allhart]

Did I say that? No, the doctrine overrode my emotion and guilt on this...it wasn't coming from God. Jesus convicts and not condemns. You don't even know, but you are coming to conclusions on "what happened".

If i have out spoken my self sorry. I'm not understanding the conclusion on your writing then. and the lord did condemn Sodom and Gomorrah. Sex acts outside of marriage are not permitted and anything besides a man or a women is not considered marriage in GODS eyes,so what is your reasoning.You are making up the gray area when there isn't any. THE KNOWLEDGE IS THERE. I don't get it.and i see context used improperly all the time especially in this forum. JESUS IS NOT (ANARCHY) in the new testament. He didn't come on earth and threw away the old testament either.

 

[david_x]

It is detestible for a man to lie with a man like a man does with a women.

 

[davedjy]

It is detestible for a man to lie with a man like a man does with a women.

The actual found literal translation from the Hebrew is "thou shall not lie with a man in beds of women, it is abomination".

 

[allhart]

The actual found literal translation from the Hebrew is "thou shall not lie with a man in beds of women, it is abomination".

HERE WE GO AGAIN. YOU NEED TO READ THE WHOLE BIBLE


PEACE OUT AND GOOD LUCK MAY GOD IN LIGHT YOU WHEN YOU ARE READY.

 

[StTherese]

The actual found literal translation from the Hebrew is "thou shall not lie with a man in beds of women, it is abomination".

Leviticus 18:22-30


22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.
23 You shall not have carnal relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; such things are abhorrent. 24 "Do not defile yourselves by any of these things by which the nations whom I am driving out of your way have defiled themselves. 25 Because their land has become defiled, I am punishing it for its wickedness, by making it vomit out its inhabitants. 26 You, however, whether natives or resident aliens, must keep my statutes and decrees forbidding all such abominations 27 by which the previous inhabitants defiled the land; 28 otherwise the land will vomit you out also for having defiled it, just as it vomited out the nations before you. 29 Everyone who does any of these abominations shall be cut off from among his people. 30 Heed my charge, then, not to defile yourselves by observing the abominable customs that have been observed before you. I, the LORD, am your God."

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

HERE WE GO AGAIN. YOU NEED TO READ THE WHOLE BIBLE


PEACE OUT AND GOOD LUCK MAY GOD IN LIGHT YOU WHEN YOU ARE READY.

Isn't that what he meant. He said the original Hebrew text translated LITERALLY to that statement. I'm pretty sure he knows what the new English versions say. No need to jump on him either way.

 

[intricatic]

Thank you. Glad to be here.



God never directly said that homosexuality was wrong except in Leviticus. And He also condemned many other things that were practice anyway. It wasn't so much to condemn the act as it was to protect the people and fullfill His promise to Abraham. I suppose tattoos are a sin too?

Truth be told, no one understands God's will better than anyone else. So no one person can determine if a controvercial sin (like homosexuality) is right or wrong. Things that are plainly repeated in the Bible like lust (Christ said if you look at a women with LUST in your eye, you've already commited adultery of the heart) and murder (including abortion), and cause serious guilt NOT confusion are obvious sins. But if that guilts is not widespread and if there isn't any proof God's will doesn't allow it, than it can't be one persons right to decide it's WRONG. Or even many. If it isn't forbidden by God then it's not wrong. Homosexuality was forbidden to help the Jews in a time of great peril, not because God created humans to love only one gender.

We are granted leaders and teachers to help edify the body, just as we're granted shepherds to lead the flock to the water of salvation.

A thing that is plainly repeated throughout the Bible is the dynamic of marriage between God and His Bride (Israel/Church), and man and wife. The overall source of all themes regarding marriage and covenant relationships in general lie in Genesis 2 and the created order, which brings to light the way God intended for man to approach Him (Covenant relationship), just as it brings to light the model of what marriage was intended to be (Covenant relationship). You can't have one without the other.

 

[allhart]

Isn't that what he meant. He said the original Hebrew text translated LITERALLY to that statement. I'm pretty sure he knows what the new English versions say. No need to jump on him either way.

SORRY THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK GOING IN CIRCLES AND NO COMPREHENSION OR UNDERSTANDING AND SOME ON MY PART. THERE NEEDS TO BE BALANCE ON ARE THOUGHTS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT GOD SAYS AND WITH RESPECT