Homosexuality

[allhart]

Why do we see a large amount of denominations/sects/religious institutions accepting homosexuality and even approving of it? We see priests, pastors, and even bishops openly proclaiming their homosexuality.

Homosexual acts are sinful.

Now, I'm all for allowing homosexuals to attend church and worship, I don't hate them or reject them (We should love everyone). They are sinners just like you and I. What I'm against is the accepting of their acts as something normal or God pleasing.

First off, anatomically speaking, two males (two females) are not made to fit each other. It is obvious that it is a male and a female that are meant for each other. Even the after product of a males sexual experience (sperm) is meant only for the female's egg, the is no other true purpose.

This alone should prove that a homosexual union is un-natural.

Second, Biblically speaking, God made a parnter/helper for Adam...His choice was a female, in the early chapters of Genesis we see the first marriage union of a "man and his wife".

Gen. 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Notice the word "wife"? This is strickly used to repersent a female. Many times in scripture we only see that it is a man and his wife that make up "one flesh".

This means two males (two females) can not become "one flesh" (only a man and his wife). If two males can not become one flesh, how is it that they could ever have sexual relations that are not sinful? Only a couple who is married can have sexual relations.

This means homosexuals who engage in sexual acts are living in SIN.

One last thing, I dislike when homosexuals say that God made them that way. That's like me saying God made me with my sin nature so I should go out and sin.

It is not the temptation or desire that makes homosexuality a sin (Jesus was tempted), it is the giving into and acting out on that desire or temptation that is sin. So regardless if you have homosexual feelings, it is something that doesn't have to lead to sin.

1 Cor. 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.

We all have temptations, some people have a problem with lying or stealing, homosexuals have a problem with un-natural lusting of the same sex.

So when you see verses like:

1 Cor. 6:9-10

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


It is talking about acting homosexuals, not those with just homosexual desire.

you know men that are doing this act on one another most don't live past 45 of age.
The body is not design for there intension's. living OUTSIDE OF GODS WILL CAN REALLY HURT. SPIRITUALLY AS WELL.

 

[MercuryAndy]

you know men that are doing this act on one another most don't live past 45 of age.
The body is not design for there intension's. living OUTSIDE OF GODS WILL CAN REALLY HURT. SPIRITUALLY AS WELL.

why did you kill them?

 

[allhart]

why did you kill them?

sorry that really not funny. we are all GODS and i love them all and this really breaks my heart to see people suffer for bad behavior based on one emotions and desires. Everyones mountain of hardships are different and we are all challenged to do the right thing in the sight of GOD. Some it seem may have it more troublesome than other. I have not walked in there shoe,but never the less if we love GOD the walk is the same in principle.

 

[WalkingforHim]

you know men that are doing this act on one another most don't live past 45 of age.
The body is not design for there intension's. living OUTSIDE OF GODS WILL CAN REALLY HURT. SPIRITUALLY AS WELL.

This is a lie. Read a book.

 

[allhart]

This is a lie. Read a book.

WITH RESPECT (WHAT EVER) GO LOOK AT SURVEYS AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WOMEN (MEN)

 

[davedjy]

you know men that are doing this act on one another most don't live past 45 of age.
The body is not design for there intension's. living OUTSIDE OF GODS WILL CAN REALLY HURT. SPIRITUALLY AS WELL.

You aren't reading the threads here, are you?

1 Cor 6:9 is a grievious translation at best, the same word in Timothy says "sexual pervert". It is a BIASED TRANSLATION of the Greek language, and nothing more! The same word in 1 Cor 6:9, the early Church Fathers thought meant "masturbation" and now the best of Scholars are unsure of the "true definition" but the best say it means "Catamite (a boy, male prostitute).

 

[Mling]

you know men that are doing this act on one another most don't live past 45 of age.
The body is not design for there intension's. living OUTSIDE OF GODS WILL CAN REALLY HURT. SPIRITUALLY AS WELL.

Are you talking about the Paul Cameron study that "proved" that gay men die in their thirties? The one that got him kicked out of the APA for fraudulant methods? Do you know how he ran that study?

 

[davedjy]

Are you talking about the Paul Cameron study that "proved" that gay men die in their thirties? The one that got him kicked out of the APA for fraudulant methods? Do you know how he ran that study?

I'm talking about the truth in the Scriptures, and nothing more.

Proof that gay men die in their 30's? ROFLMAO! yeah, maybe promiscuous ones, but the rise in AIDS is now in women, and is said to be equal to that of the gay men, and the men's one is going down by like 13% or more. I think it will go down MUCH greater once marriage is legal in more states, there is no accountability and many don't use protection.

Disease x no protection x promiscuity = more disease

There are plenty of gays that are in committed relationships...I know of one that is up to 40 years lasting, my sister's relative has been w/the same guy for 10 years, I know of another one that has lasted 20 years...it's not all about sex.

 

[Mling]

I'm talking about the truth in the Scriptures, and nothing more.

Proof that gay men die in their 30's? ROFLMAO! yeah, maybe promiscuous ones, but the rise in AIDS is now in women, and is said to be equal to that of the gay men, and the men's one is going down by like 13% or more. I think it will go down MUCH greater once marriage is legal in more states, there is no accountability and many don't use protection.

Disease x no protection x promiscuity = more disease

There are plenty of gays that are in committed relationships...I know of one that is up to 40 years lasting, my sister's relative has been w/the same guy for 10 years, I know of another one that has lasted 20 years...it's not all about sex.

Well, yeah, that's why he got kicked out of the APA--his methods were so ridiculous that the travesty that produced those results can't even be called a study.

 

[allhart]

Well, yeah, that's why he got kicked out of the APA--his methods were so ridiculous that the travesty that produced those results can't even be called a study.

well really people know truthfully what is right in GODS eyes ,but you can see it ant way you want he created Adam and Eve not Adam and John. Look to the source not the means of ones desires( sorry ) and i would like follow all my desire at times ,but that doesn't make them right IF ONE ACTS ON HIS EMOTION IS ALWAY ON A ROLLER COASTER RIDE, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS THRILLING

 

[davedjy]

well really people know truthfully what is right in GODS eyes ,but you can see it ant way you want he created Adam and Eve not Adam and John. Look to the source not the means of ones desires( sorry ) and i would like follow all my desire at times ,but that doesn't make them right IF ONE ACTS ON HIS EMOTION IS ALWAY ON A ROLLER COASTER RIDE, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS THRILLING

That is because that was God's marriage...Adam and Eve. I told you, I don't argue "God's original intent", but that lots of changes happened when sin came into the world such as sin defect, not just sin temptation. I think we forget that as Christians. Show me where it talks about healings of all retarded children, or examples of some hermaphrodites? God didn't "intend" but nonetheless, it still happened.

 

[Gusoceros]

That is because that was God's marriage...Adam and Eve. I told you, I don't argue "God's original intent", but that lots of changes happened when sin came into the world such as sin defect, not just sin temptation. I think we forget that as Christians. Show me where it talks about healings of all retarded children, or examples of some hermaphrodites? God didn't "intend" but nonetheless, it still happened.

This does not excuse unrepentant sin

 

[Mling]

well really people know truthfully what is right in GODS eyes ,but you can see it ant way you want he created Adam and Eve not Adam and John. Look to the source not the means of ones desires( sorry ) and i would like follow all my desire at times ,but that doesn't make them right IF ONE ACTS ON HIS EMOTION IS ALWAY ON A ROLLER COASTER RIDE, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS THRILLING

And this has, what, exactly, to do with corruption of the scientific method?

 

[allhart]

That is because that was God's marriage...Adam and Eve. I told you, I don't argue "God's original intent", but that lots of changes happened when sin came into the world such as sin defect, not just sin temptation. I think we forget that as Christians. Show me where it talks about healings of all retarded children, or examples of some hermaphrodites? God didn't "intend" but nonetheless, it still happened.

NONETHELESS YOU KNOW HIS WILL YOU HAVE CHOICE. LIKE THE REST OF US. STAND OR FALL. FALLEN WORLD OR NOT. THE TRUTH IS KNOWN AND YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. THE CHOICE TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE OR NOT IS UP TO US AND HOW WE FINISH THE RACE IS IMPORTANT TO GOD.

 

[StTherese]

God created nature and thus natural law....

Homosexual acts do not follow natural law. What purpose does the sperm have in a homosexual act? Sperm has a specific purpose and a specific place...

The act of sex is meant to be procreative...to take this aspect out of sex is to deny the natural law set forth by God!

 

[davedjy]

NONETHELESS YOU KNOW HIS WILL YOU HAVE CHOICE. LIKE THE REST OF US. STAND OR FALL. FALLEN WORLD OR NOT. THE TRUTH IS KNOWN AND YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. THE CHOICE TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE OR NOT IS UP TO US AND HOW WE FINISH THE RACE IS IMPORTANT TO GOD.

Talking in CAPS is considered YELLING, the Bible talks about in Galatians to rebuke gently. You are NOT rebuking gently, even if this was to be rebuked.

 

[davedjy]

God created nature and thus natural law....

Homosexual acts do not follow natural law. What purpose does the sperm have in a homosexual act? Sperm has a specific purpose and a specific place...

The act of sex is meant to be procreative...to take this aspect out of sex is to deny the natural law set forth by God!

You argue procreative arguments in every case, I do not. You believe condoms and birth control are also sinful, and I do not. You are Catholic, and I am not.

 

[StTherese]

You argue procreative arguments in every case, I do not. You believe condoms and birth control are also sinful, and I do not. You are Catholic, and I am not.

So do you deny that sex is procreative?

 

[davedjy]

So do you deny that sex is procreative?

LOL...no, where do I argue that?

I just said, I don't believe that is the only way it needs to be used.

 

[StTherese]

LOL...no, where do I argue that?

I just said, I don't believe that is the only way it needs to be used.

Why not?