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Gusoceros

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Ah, the Gospel according to Henry M Morris... that is personal commentary to arrive at those conclusions. It does not stand as fact.

LOL- are you pulling the personal commentary negation trick, with personal commentary?
 
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Again, the definition of fornication did not encompass that word at the time. Premarital sex WASN'T even fornication at the time (I'm not arguing premarital sex is OK though, I don't believe it is, there are verses from Paul to the Corinthians that seem to make it clear that it's wrong).

Now you are claiming Strong's is wrong- and we are supposed to believe it on the force of your personal commentary?

How many more words will need to get redefined to make this boat float?

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Well, two people love each other and want to spend their lives together supporting each other in a marriage. That's definitely good and beneficial to both of them, no matter if they hapen to have the same or opposite sex.
 
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Well, two people love each other and want to spend their lives together supporting each other in a marriage. That's definitely good and beneficial to both of them, no matter if they hapen to have the same or opposite sex.

That's a big part of it, yes. Devoting yourself entirely to a shared life with a person you love is not only mentally and spiritually healthy, it is physically healthy too.

Earlier than that, discovering something about yourself that makes you significantly "different" than what is considered "normal"
jumpstarts a mental and spiritual journey that can help the person grow in moral development and maturity. I did not have much of a sense for what a "family" really is, until I found that, by popular definition, I would not be allowed to have one. The necessity of reconciling that, with my desire to marry and have children is largely responsible for at least one leap in my moral development. Off the top of my head, I can say for certain that being gay:

*led to me gaining a more mature understanding of the meaning of "family"
*led to me gaining a more mature understanding of the meaning of "truth" and "right"
*was the first, and probably the most important thing that pushed me to truly study and seek to understand Christian beliefs and my own beliefs, not just as a fun mental exercise, but because I realized that it really mattered
*inspired empathy, as opposed to sympathy, with foster children (who have also had the concept of family stolen from them) and, by extension, weaker members of society in general, which in turn has directed my desire to spend my life helping those people

And again, I'll quote (or slightly paraphrase) Paul: All things are permissible; not all things are beneficial. All things are permissible; not all things edify.

Where would this fall?
 
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Well, two people love each other and want to spend their lives together supporting each other in a marriage. That's definitely good and beneficial to both of them, no matter if they hapen to have the same or opposite sex.
But, how does it benefit them as Christians? How is this following the will of God? Just because something feels right doesn't mean it IS right.
 
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Well, two people love each other and want to spend their lives together supporting each other in a marriage. That's definitely good and beneficial to both of them, no matter if they hapen to have the same or opposite sex.
What technically constitutes marriage? :scratch:
 
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But, how does it benefit them as Christians? How is this following the will of God? Just because something feels right doesn't mean it IS right.
I'm not sure what you mean... It benefits them as human beings, who aren't meant to be alone.
 
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What technically constitutes marriage? :scratch:

Well, I don't know... I think that it's the special kind of relationship between both people. :) But it also depends on how you define marriage.
 
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Well, I don't know... I think that it's the special kind of relationship between both people. :) But it also depends on how you define marriage.
Well, I don't mean how you or I may define marriage from our subjective opinions or feelings, but what it is and why it exists. What technically constitutes marriage? Is it just a social construct or is it something more profound than that?
 
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Well, I don't mean how you or I may define marriage from our subjective opinions or feelings, but what it is and why it exists. What technically constitutes marriage? Is it just a social construct or is it something more profound than that?

Marriage teaches commitment, and boundaries and love through shared trials and shared joys, IMO. In one word, I'd say marriage is commitment.
 
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Marriage teaches commitment, and boundaries and love through shared trials and shared joys, IMO. In one word, I'd say marriage is commitment.
What does it come from, though? I don't suppose it's a floating abstract that we made up, is it? :scratch:
 
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Well, I don't mean how you or I may define marriage from our subjective opinions or feelings, but what it is and why it exists. What technically constitutes marriage? Is it just a social construct or is it something more profound than that?

Well for most in the US and the Western world in fact, It is a social construct. It seems that for a majority, marriage is like a kleenex that they throw away when they are through.

I read some interesting statistics regarding divorce among religious groups. Catholics seemed to have the lowest percentage among mainline christian groups. The Northeast has lower divorce rates than the South. The Bible belt has some of the highest rates. I found those statistics to be of interest. But if marriage is a social construct and secular in nature, than gays who pay taxes should be allowed to marry.
 
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But if marriage is a social construct and secular in nature, than gays who pay taxes should be allowed to marry.

It is my understanding, that marriage is in fact, available to everyone.

I believe what is happening here, is that there is an agenda to redefine what the social contract is, rather than *allow* same sex couples to marry.

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