Homosexuality

[MercuryAndy]

Sex is a sin. It is the pursuit of personal pleasure. Sex is sex. Sin is sin.

 

[intricatic]

You vote everytime you give your opinion, you vote everytime you tell a gay or bisexual person your viewpoints. Why are you even pretending to play some "in between" game? Religion IS politics, and you are showing what side you are on everytime you post in this forum, why pretend to be someone you aren't in this discussion?

That's a bad way of looking at it. Religion isn't politics any more than a relationship with your parents is political. Although one might argue that a relationship with one's parents can be more political than any US election, that's never been my experience.

I don't pretend to be anyone. I don't presume to tell anyone how to live their lives. I'm not the Holy Spirit, but I am an ambassador of Christ.

 

[Gusoceros]

This is not about "sin struggle", it's about sexual orientation, stop making into something it isn't. <snip>

Dave- this just isnt correct. Your orientation is irrelevant, it is what you do with your temptation that equates to sin, or not sin. You are judged, by what you do.

G

 

[pgp_protector]

Sex is a sin. It is the pursuit of personal pleasure. Sex is sex. Sin is sin.

Sex is a sin ?

So Was God telling Adam & Eve to Sin when He Sad Go Forth & Multiply ?

 

[Gusoceros]

Sex is a sin. It is the pursuit of personal pleasure. Sex is sex. Sin is sin.

Sex is not a sin. Pursuing personal pleasure is not a sin. When sex is practiced outside of God's parameters- it is sin. Sex is a gift from God.

G

 

[intricatic]

Sex is a sin ?

So Was God telling Adam & Eve to Sin when He Sad Go Forth & Multiply ?

Yes.

 

[davedjy]

Dave- this just isnt correct. Your orientation is irrelevant, it is what you do with your temptation that equates to sin, or not sin. You are judged, by what you do.

G

Temptation is not the same as attraction. Try again?

 

[MercuryAndy]

Sex is not a sin. Pursuing personal pleasure is not a sin. When sex is practiced outside of God's parameters- it is sin. Sex is a gift from God.

G

If sex isnt a sin then how can being homosexual is?

 

[davedjy]

If sex isnt a sin then how can being homosexual is?

Maybe you are not aware of the 2 sides of the clobber passages?

 

[intricatic]

Maybe you are not aware of the 2 sides of the clobber passages?

There's only one side of any given passage; the side the author was on. Interpretation isn't about chosing sides, but figuring out what the author meant when he wrote what we're confronted with.

 

[Gusoceros]

Temptation is not the same as attraction. Try again?

Your attraction is irrelevant.

G

 

[Gusoceros]

If sex isnt a sin then how can being homosexual is?

Because the homosexual act is a sin. Married sex is not a sin.

Not all sex is equal- that is why there are such things as fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, etc.

G

 

[davedjy]

Your attraction is irrelevant.

G

and your solution to making a gay straight? LOL

 

[Gusoceros]

and your solution to making a gay straight? LOL

I dont have one- your answer lies with God. I have already stated this in an earlier post to you- not too long ago.

G

 

[davedjy]

I dont have one- your answer lies with God. I have already stated this in an earlier post to you- not too long ago.

G

I have already made peace with God in my interpretations of those Scriptures, I don't need you to tell me what God isn't saying, when He speaks directly to me, Jesus is my PERSONAL SAVIOR.

Please explain why God would be "offended" when a person cannot help who they are attracted to. If I was to go along with your Conservative trash perspective, then I would also have to believe one can actually become straight, and live a normal life w/the opposite sex person.

 

[intricatic]

...then I would also have to believe one can actually become straight, and live a normal life w/the opposite sex person.

The same could be argued for gamblers, alcoholics, and drug addicts. It's not a conservative or liberal perspective to think that, but a perspective that views the regenerative power of God's Grace to be sufficient for any problem.

 

[Gusoceros]

I have already made peace with God in my interpretations of those Scriptures, I don't need you to tell me what God isn't saying, when He speaks directly to me, Jesus is my PERSONAL SAVIOR.

Do you believe Truth is different between us? I would suggest to you, that the Truth is the same for both of us. One (or both) of us has this interpretation wrong. The Bible should be a reference here.

Please explain why God would be "offended" when a person cannot help who they are attracted to. If I was to go along with your Conservative trash perspective, then I would also have to believe one can actually become straight, and live a normal life w/the opposite sex person.

God isnt offended by your temptation- it is the sin that He has an issue with. God tells us that we will be tempted.

Are you saying that God is not big enough to change you? He can create the whole universe, but this orientation thing is just too much?

G

 

[davedjy]

The same could be argued for gamblers, alcoholics, and drug addicts. It's not a conservative or liberal perspective to think that, but a perspective that views the regenerative power of God's Grace to be sufficient for any problem.

Those are all self-destructive behaviors that every credible mental health foundation would recommend changing, not this though...they are ALL against it, and say it is irreversible.

Do you believe Truth is different between us? I would suggest to you, that the Truth is the same for both of us. One (or both) of us has this interpretation wrong. The Bible should be a reference here.



God isnt offended by your temptation- it is the sin that He has an issue with. God tells us that we will be tempted.

Are you saying that God is not big enough to change you? He can create the whole universe, but this orientation thing is just too much?

G

http://www.shepherdinitiative.org/memWrite2.php

Yes, I believe my interpretations are correct. God can "change" my sexual orientation? Yes, all is possible, but I don't see it happening, I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't see how God is looking to fix this, I know He doesn't care to fix it, and I am offended at the thought of changing a part of who I am.

 

[MercuryAndy]

Because the homosexual act is a sin. Married sex is not a sin.

Not all sex is equal- that is why there are such things as fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, etc.

G

Exactly! So homosexual people should get married.

 

[davedjy]

Exactly! So homosexual people should get married.

How dare you! they should live celibate, lonely lives with an everlast lock over their private parts. How dare you jest! blasphemous!