Homosexuality

[Kgreg]

Answer to the OP:

No.

Even if it is a sin (which it isn't), if you're a follower of Christ and have accepted His Forgiveness, then it's not going to get in the way.

How many of us can say that we've not committed any sin since becoming a Christian? Christianity is a relationship with the divine, it's not a set of rules (that would be Pharasaism.)

Homosexual sex is sin in any context. Anyone who claims the Bible allows for homosexual sex due to omission of "gay marriage" and/or "committed monogomous relationship" is egaging in heresy. Gay sex is sin. Those who have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them know this.

 

[Kgreg]

It's not a set of rules I agree (since salvation is by faith, not by works), but if somebody claims he is a Christian and still has sex with men/women out of wedlock (and does not see a contradiction between these two), then I'd have doubt about his salvation.
I'm not talking about the gay person who decided to accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and sometimes yields to temptation, but rather those who repeatedly do so and show utter disregard for the word of God.

Bottom-line is : I don't think you can be involved in a homesexual relationship and still be a genuine Christian. If you were so, you would do what God has told you to do, which is not have homosexual sex.

It's not the amount of sin that counts but rather you relationship to it. Are you repentent when you find out you have sinned, or do you turn a blind eye and pretend it's not a sin ?

Excellent explanation of our relationship to sin.

 

[Kgreg]

And who are we to pontificate on whether one person or another is saved?

Who are we to say that someone is, or is not, a genuine Christian.

Just try putting "pride", "proudful" and "arrogant" instead of "Homosexuality", and "homosexual" and "homosexual behaviour" in these posts. And then see where you yourselves stand.

And then shut up!

ROFLMBO!

 

[Colabomb]

Whoever said all gays do that? I am talking about a gay person who is committed to one person, lives a life for God, but just couldn't change his attractions.

Attraction and action are two different things.

Temptation to sin, and sinning are different. If someone is attracted to someone of the same gender, it is not sinful. If someone has sex with someone of the same gender it is sinful.

 

[Proselyte]

If you feel like reading through 400+ replies...:

http://www.christianforums.com/t3041600-debate-helpwhy-is-homosexuality-wrong.html

 

[AureateDawn]

I think everyone has missed my point. if it says clearly that they will not go to heaven. Yef they are a Christian but gay, do they not? If they are saved? Because the only unpardonable sin the blasphemy of the holy spirit... so.. ? I mean, the same can be said for the KKK. Are they going to Hell because of what they do, even though they are Christians??

 

[GrimWolf]

1 Corinthians 5

Expel the Immoral Brother!

1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
6Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

I want you to read the the following definition of Repentance by wikipedia...

Repentance is the feeling and act in which one recognizes and tries to right a wrong, or gain forgiveness from someone that they wronged. In religious contexts it usually refers to repenting for a sin against God. It always includes an admission of guilt, and also includes at least one of: a solemn promise or resolve not to repeat the offense; an attempt to make restitution for the wrong, or in some way to reverse the harmful effects of the wrong where possible.

In Biblical Hebrew, the idea of repentance is represented by two verbs: שוב shuv (to return) and נחם nicham (to feel sorrow). In the New Testament, the word translated as 'repentance' is the Greek word μετάνοια (metanoia), "after/behind one's mind", which is a compound word of the preposition 'meta' (after, with), and the verb 'noeo' (to perceive, to think, the result of perceiving or observing). In this compound word the preposition combines the two meanings of time and change, which may be denoted by 'after' and 'different'; so that the whole compound means: 'to think differently after'. Metanoia is therefore primarily an after-thought, different from the former thought; a change of mind accompanied by regret and change of conduct, "change of mind and heart", or, "change of consciousness". One of the key descriptions of repentance in the New Testament is the parable of the prodigal son found in the Gospel of Luke 15:11.

What I understand about this is that if you keep on sinning over and over again, you are not experiencing repentance.

 

[artybloke]

Anyone who claims the Bible allows for homosexual sex due to omission of "gay marriage" and/or "committed monogomous relationship" is egaging in heresy

Where in the Nicene Creed does it mention anything about homosexuality? That's the only standard of orthodoxy that the Church as a whole (not the fundagelical corners) accept.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

I believe that all true Christians will go to heaven.
Even the gay ones.

 

[Colabomb]

Repentance is the heart of the matter.

 

[DaveS]

Time to add a biblical study I think:

http://www.elca.org/faithfuljourney/pdf/background.pdf

 

[MapleLeaf]

I believe that all true Christians will go to heaven.
Even the gay ones.

I believe the same thing.

With the gay Christians in heaven will be

The fat ones
Those who proclaim to live a life of Christianity and loving and forgiveness but do nothing but speak of evil against those who do believe exactly what they believe

It was taught years ago that slaves were not equal to white men, but would none the less still go to heaven; I believe we are all equal in the eyes of God and subsequently we will all go to heaven.

I repeat - God made me gay and if God does not make mistakes, I am not a mistake and am welcome as much in heaven (whatever you believe that is), than any other person or being God created.

 

[Colabomb]

I believe the same thing.

With the gay Christians in heaven will be

The fat ones
Those who proclaim to live a life of Christianity and loving and forgiveness but do nothing but speak of evil against those who do believe exactly what they believe

It was taught years ago that slaves were not equal to white men, but would none the less still go to heaven; I believe we are all equal in the eyes of God and subsequently we will all go to heaven.

I repeat - God made me gay and if God does not make mistakes, I am not a mistake and am welcome as much in heaven (whatever you believe that is), than any other person or being God created.

God does not make mistakes, but He allows us to make our own.

Secondly there are gay Christians, as there are lying and theiving Christians. Those who have a temptation that they fight. Those who live a life of repentance before God.

I personally have an issue with Pride and jealosy. Although I fall, I realize that I am a sinner, that Pride is my Sin, and that I must do all in my power to get rid of it and avoid it with the Grace of God.

If I flaunted my pride about as if it were acceptable and the way God wants me to live, that would be different.

 

[holo]

Who here loves God with all their soul, mind and heart, and their neighbour as themselves?

 

[Colabomb]

Who here loves God with all their soul, mind and heart, and their neighbour as themselves?

I do, however these are the Greatest commandments, not the core of Christianity.

The Core of Christianity is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[AureateDawn]

So the statement about "etc. etc. nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven" is just talking about the majority since the majority won't be Christians or what? It seems awful literal to me.

 

[Colabomb]

So the statement about "etc. etc. nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven" is just talking about the majority since the majority won't be Christians or what? It seems awful literal to me.

My point was, Paul was speaking of unrepentant sinners.

All sins can be forgiven, but God requires repentance.

 

[holo]

I do, however these are the Greatest commandments, not the core of Christianity.

The Core of Christianity is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Actually, I think you don't. You do not actually love God and your neighbour like that. Sometimes, perhaps, but not all the time.

Therefore, you must repent. And according to popular opinion, repentance means to stop doing whatever you did wrong, doesn't it? But you don't. You keep on not loving God and your neighbour, and you don't seem to improve one bit, do you?

I'm speaking about all of us.

So, since we are like this, should any of us accuse anyone else of not repenting? Or do we lower the standard a little, and say it's ok if you can't actually repent, as long as you wish you could?

I think that whenever we meet our Maker, not one of us will have the nerve to point at someone else and say "he sinned" or "he didn't repent".

 

[DaveS]

To add to this there is also the issue of whether homosexuality is a sin anyway as it does not seem to go against the core of Christianity.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

If someone who is gay is a Christian, will they go to Hell? I mean, especially if they've tried and tried and prayed and prayed, and they can't get over it, will they go to Hell? Because in the Bible it says something, something, something, nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven..

The meaning of the word is not entirely clear, most conservative Christians believe Paul is referring to practicing homosexuals (though after a while you think they would get past needing practice and become competant ... ) sorry, I couldn't resist)), they believe Paul is referring to people who engage in homosexual behaviour.

[the only unforgivable sin]

It is generally held that in order to be forgiven you have to ask for and accept forgiveness. We regularly ask for forgiveness of sins, known and unknown...

So, assuming I'm shown a list of sins I've been forgiven and it includes something I don't believe is a sin... where am I?

For that matter, do we get asked whether we accept forgiveness for the various and sundry sins we have committed?

If it is not a sin that I am ever going to commit in heaven does it matter?