Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? (read pg1)

[Jet_A_Jockey]

who says Paul's words are those of Jesus? I don't think even Paul claimed THAT... though feel free to correct me, Chapter and verse please?

But He does claim to be speaking with the Holy Spirit, which is part of God is it not? IIRC there are passages that he refers to himself speaking for himself specifically, as to not be confused with the God-inspired scripture.

 

[Floatingaxe]

But He does claim to be speaking with the Holy Spirit, which is part of God is it not? IIRC there are passages that he refers to himself speaking for himself specifically, as to not be confused with the God-inspired scripture.

Amen! Paul was called by Jesus and set in as apostle by Him. He speaks with ALL the authority of Jesus Christ Himself---as do we all who know Him and walk with Him in the anointing of the Holy Spirit! Whoooooo hoooooo! God is awesome, eh?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Amen! Paul was called by Jesus and set in as apostle by Him. He speaks with ALL the authority of Jesus Christ Himself---as do we all who know Him and walk with Him in the anointing of the Holy Spirit! Whoooooo hoooooo! God is awesome, eh?

Yes and Yes. Thats the thing about apostles of God, they can speak for God. The reason is because God is within them. Before pentecost, we had prophets who spoke for God, but since the Holy Spirit indwelled the apostles it basically resumed that function. The other reason it is possible is because the teachings of the apostles can be verified and tested against scripture to be certain that it is in line with God's word.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII

who says Paul's words are those of Jesus? I don't think even Paul claimed THAT... though feel free to correct me, Chapter and verse please?

Well yes Paul did claim that, in fact Paul says when it is his view and not the Lord’s. Paul writes that he didn’t receive his revelation and gospel from humans but from the risen Lord Jesus. Galatians 1.

Huh? I'M a Christian... I don't believe that the Bible is all either God's word OR inerrant... so your premis is false

Not so. I am a Christian and Iike many here I believe a Christian is one who believes the Bible is basically God’s word and sufficient as a rule and standard of faith and in all matters of faith and conduct. see the forum FAQ's

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Dear EnemyPartyII
Well yes Paul did claim that, in fact Paul says when it is his view and not the Lord’s. Paul writes that he didn’t receive his revelation and gospel from humans but from the risen Lord Jesus. Galatians 1.

Not so. I am a Christian and Iike many here I believe a Christian is one who believes the Bible is basically God’s word and sufficient as a rule and standard of faith and in all matters of faith and conduct. see the forum FAQ's

"basically" God's word?

 

[Brieuse]

And what YOU believe is so very far of the mark for a Christian viewpoint. Jesus never offered smorgasbord on the menu.

Your every post is full of obnoxious bombast.

Well your posts are too then.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII

"basically" God's word?

yes as in God’s word recorded or inspired and sufficient as a rule and standard in all matters of faith and conduct. see the forum FAQ's
Why do you believe it ‘basically’ isnt?

 

[walloffire]

oh, OK... so Christians are to abide by the rules of the Sanhedrin today?

God. Thanks foir clearing that up.

Well you had to learn it sometime.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath showed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Simply love your neighbor as yourself, but more importantly, love God. Your love should God ought to make your great love for your wife or children or parents seem like hate, in comparison to how great your love for God is.

 

[David Brider]

...I believe a Christian is one who believes the Bible is basically God’s word...

No, a Christian is someone who's repented of their sin and has accepted Jesus Christ as both Lord and Saviour of their life.

David.

 

[Ohioprof]

All orthodox christians do

btw, what you still doing here? All you do is try to force your unbiblica beliefs down peoples throat Do you actually think you are convicing christians ?

How is debating in a debate forum pushing anything down people's throats? It's doing what the forum is here for, the same as what you are doing.

Welcome back, btw. I notice you haven't been around for awhile. I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

 

[Ohioprof]

No, a Christian is someone who's repented of their sin and has accepted Jesus Christ as both Lord and Saviour of their life.

David.

To me a Christian is someone who tries to follow the teachings of Jesus.

 

[David Brider]

To me a Christian is someone who tries to follow the teachings of Jesus.

Well, there's that possibility too.

David.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

To me a Christian is someone who tries to follow the teachings of Jesus.

Hi prof,
You probably already know what I'm going to say, but I'll say it again anyway.

The term Christian is defined as a follower of Christ. The term Christ means deliverer, messiah, and in this case is synonymous with the Son of God.

If someone does not believe that Jesus is the Christ, that He was only a mortal man who is long dead now, then for them to use the term "Christian" is misleading, as it implies "Christ-follower". If someone follows a man, lets say buddha for instance, does that not make them a buddhist? If one follows Christ then they are a Christian, and if one follows Jesus (but denies His Christhood) then they are a Jesus-follower.

 

[Ohioprof]

Hi prof,
You probably already know what I'm going to say, but I'll say it again anyway.

The term Christian is defined as a follower of Christ. The term Christ means deliverer, messiah, and in this case is synonymous with the Son of God.

If someone does not believe that Jesus is the Christ, that He was only a mortal man who is long dead now, then for them to use the term "Christian" is misleading, as it implies "Christ-follower". If someone follows a man, lets say buddha for instance, does that not make them a buddhist? If one follows Christ then they are a Christian, and if one follows Jesus (but denies His Christhood) then they are a Jesus-follower.

There is a long tradition of people who have called themselves Christians who have seen the significance of Jesus in his teachings, not in his death. One could call them Jesus followers, and that would certainly be accurate. They called themselves Christians. I am a Christian in that tradition. You can call me a Jesus follower if you want to. I have no objections to your use of that terminology. I call myself a Christian.

To me, the life of Jesus is important for his teachings and the example he set in his life. I do not focus on his death or on what may have happened afterwards. I do not believe in a literal resurrection, as I have said.

 

[RMDY]

I do not focus on his death or on what may have happened afterwards. I do not believe in a literal resurrection, as I have said.

Jesus was resurrected from the dead. To deny this is to make God out to be a liar and then your sins still have not been forgiven and neither have mine.

 

[RMDY]

Ohioprof, I totally reject your claim that Jesus was not literally resurrected from the dead. I will bring to fact that to inject doubt into this kind of faith of mine and others is to attack our whole faith in Christ as our Lord and Saviour, who takes away the sin of the world, and the idea of the cross as a bridge to reconcile man back to God.

 

[David Brider]

Ohioprof, I totally reject your claim that Jesus was not literally resurrected from the dead. I will bring to fact that to inject doubt into this kind of faith of mine and others is to attack our whole faith in Christ as our Lord and Saviour, who takes away the sin of the world, and the idea of the cross as a bridge to reconcile man back to God.

It's hardly an attack, is it? Ohioprof is perfectly entitled to her belief, and is perfectly entitled to express her belief. I don't feel that my faith in the resurrected Christ is under attack by Ohioprof's expressing her beliefs. If you do feel that your faith is under attack, then maybe it's not a very strong faith in the first place?

David.

 

[Ohioprof]

Ohioprof, I totally reject your claim that Jesus was not literally resurrected from the dead. I will bring to fact that to inject doubt into this kind of faith of mine and others is to attack our whole faith in Christ as our Lord and Saviour, who takes away the sin of the world, and the idea of the cross as a bridge to reconcile man back to God.

I would never attack your faith. I am a Christian also. I just don't believe all the same things that you do. Saying that is not attacking your faith; it's telling you about my understanding of faith.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,
As many people witnessed the physcial resurection of Jesus and you werrent there, I would suggest your comments bear no credibility whatsover. Indeed no one seems to have written at the time that the risen Lord Jesus wasn't the same Jesus who was crucified. Either many witnesses are lying or you are. You may be right but thats just because you are a non believer.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,
I am a big red bus, how do you know I am a big red bus or not. You see if I said I sailed across the ocean would you not have some doubts about me being a big red bus as buses dont normally sail, they sink. You see it affect the arguments, what people claim needs to be realistic.
How can the forum split people up with different icons to represent their different beliefs, if you dont accpet their beliefs are different?