Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? (read pg1)

[Zecryphon]

The real meaning:

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b. Husband of one wife: The idea here is of “A one-woman man.” It is not that a leader must be married (if so, then both Jesus and Paul could not be spiritual leaders in our churches). Nor is the idea that leader could never remarry if his wife had passed away or was Biblically divorced. The idea is that is love and affection and heart is given to one woman, and that being his lawful and wedded wife.
i. This means that the Biblical leader is not a playboy, an adulterer, a flirt, and does not show romantic or sexual interest in other women, including the depictions or images of women in pornography."

"The real meaning:

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b. Husband of one wife: The idea here is of “A one-woman man.” It is not that a leader must be married (if so, then both Jesus and Paul could not be spiritual leaders in our churches)."

I never said a pastor must be married.

"Nor is the idea that leader could never remarry if his wife had passed away or was Biblically divorced."

I never addressed this issue either.

"The idea is that is love and affection and heart is given to one woman, and that being his lawful and wedded wife.
i. This means that the Biblical leader is not a playboy, an adulterer, a flirt, and does not show romantic or sexual interest in other women, including the depictions or images of women in pornography.""

Exactly. But this does nothing for the case of a woman in the pulpit or a homosexual in the pulpit. A scenario you seem to be in favor of, with this comment from you to JayJay earlier in this thread:

Why shouldn't they be involved in ministry? Aren't they good enough for you?

 

[Ohioprof]

First of all, let me explain that I am against homosexuality, the lifestyle, not the person. Even God says that He loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

However, with homosexuality on the rise (even in my small, conservative community) I want to sharpen my sword of truth by seeking scripture.

No doubt, the majority on this site agree with me. So let me be the Devil's advocate arguing for homosexuality. I am not trying to make anyone mad, but just trying to sharpen my own sword. Please join me in this debate, as it has already in our church circles.

So, is homosexuality wrong? Prove it.

"Homosexuality" is not on the rise. It's just becoming more visible, as gay people gain the courage to come out to the public and live openly as we are.

 

[JayJay77]

Instead of homosexuality being proved "not wrong," can it be proved right? Are there any scripture references pointing to the acceptance (or even tolerance) of same-sex marriage/relationship?

 

[Ohioprof]

Instead of homosexuality being proved "not wrong," can it be proved right? Are there any scripture references pointing to the acceptance (or even tolerance) of same-sex marriage/relationship?

I don't think we need to "prove" anything. Some people are gay, just as some people are left-handed. Being gay is simply a characteristic, neither "wrong" nor "right." It just is.

 

[mont974x4]

The diference is acting as a left handed person isn't a sin. Committing homosexual acts is a sin, just as any other form of sexual immorality is.

 

[HaloHope]

The diference is acting as a left handed person isn't a sin. Committing homosexual acts is a sin, just as any other form of sexual immorality is.

Except the fact is not all Christians believe this view. Homosexuality is a trait, I certainly have had no say in being attracted to women.. its just that when I started being attracted to people they were female not male.

Now admitedly I did have to make the choice to be intimate with another woman, however seeing as my homosexuality is innate as other peoples hetrosexuality and they are permitted to be with the person they love, I can't see it as a sin for me to act on what I innately need from a relationship.

As Ive said before here, why on earth are hetrosexual people allowed to be intimate together and homosexual people not? If hetrosexuals out there are getting married to, having a family with and ultimately being intimate with the person they love theres no way I am going to starve myself of the same thing just because im attracted to women.

 

[MrPirate]

Instead of homosexuality being proved "not wrong," can it be proved right? Are there any scripture references pointing to the acceptance (or even tolerance) of same-sex marriage/relationship?

there any scripture references pointing to the acceptance (or even tolerance) of racial equality?

 

[Zecryphon]

there any scripture references pointing to the acceptance (or even tolerance) of racial equality?

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Instead of homosexuality being proved "not wrong," can it be proved right? Are there any scripture references pointing to the acceptance (or even tolerance) of same-sex marriage/relationship?

Brother JayJay -

Perhaps we both need to pick up our crosses and follow Christ, and live in the tension of it all.

 

[Ohioprof]

The diference is acting as a left handed person isn't a sin. Committing homosexual acts is a sin, just as any other form of sexual immorality is.

I don't believe this. I simply disagree with you about this.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

If you can apply this verse to racial equality, you can also apply it to equality of sexual orientation, that's for darn sure!

 

[mont974x4]

Except that being of a specific race doesn't lead to sin.

 

[mont974x4]

I don't believe this. I simply disagree with you about this.

You are free to disagree but it is biblical.

 

[Ohioprof]

Except that being of a specific race doesn't lead to sin.

Neither does being gay.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Except that being of a specific race doesn't lead to sin.

neither does being of a "specific" orientation

 

[Ohioprof]

You are free to disagree but it is biblical.

I don't regard the Bible as the word of God. But even many people who do regard the Bible as the word of God disagree that the Bible condemns "homosexuality." Yours is just one interpretation of the Bible. There is not a consensus on this.

 

[mont974x4]

OK, so since I was born a drunk adulterer I am free to continue on those lifestyles?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

OK, so since I was born a drunk adulterer I am free to continue on those lifestyles?

Perhaps you should get help, as being a drunk and an adulterer does harm to yourself and others.

 

[mont974x4]

I have gotten help. Christ freed me from those as He will free anyone who repents of their sins. This is key in the Good News and I truly hope homosexuals can see that and be free as well.


God has so much more for us than temporary pleasure brought about from satisfying our flesh.

 

[Ohioprof]

OK, so since I was born a drunk adulterer I am free to continue on those lifestyles?

1) Being gay is not a "lifestyle." It's a characteristic.

2) You are free to continue living as a drunk or an adulterer, not because you were born drunk or adulterous, but because we have free choice in the United States. Plenty of people live as drunks and as adulterers, and they are free to do so. That may not be a good way to live, but people are and should be free to live like that.

Being gay is not at all like being drunk or being an adulterer, because there is nothing wrong with being gay; it's not an illness, not a moral defect or a sin. It's just a characteristic. Being born gay is not the issue; the issue is whether we are going to treat all people as equals and with respect regardless of their sexual orientation. I think we should.