Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? (read pg1)

[Ohioprof]

I have gotten help. Christ freed me from those as He will free anyone who repents of their sins. This is key in the Good News and I truly hope homosexuals can see that and be free as well.


God has so much more for us than temporary pleasure brought about from satisfying our flesh.

I have no need to be "freed" from being who I am. Nor do I wish to be "freed." Telling people they should stop being themselves is not suggesting "freedom;" it's just presumptuous on your part, and annoying. Live as you want to, but don't tell other people how we should live. I am very happy being gay, thank you.

 

[mont974x4]

Living in sin is living sin, whether its as a homosexual, adluterer, liar, gossip or any other. They should all be treated as equal, as God sees them.

Just because in the US I am free to be a drunk aldulterer doesn't mean its OK in God's eyes, and it is His eyes that matter.

 

[Ohioprof]

Living in sin is living sin, whether its as a homosexual, adluterer, liar, gossip or any other. They should all be treated as equal, as God sees them.

Just because in the US I am free to be a drunk aldulterer doesn't mean its OK in God's eyes, and it is His eyes that matter.

I do not agree that being gay, or loving one's committed spouse who happens to be of the same sex, is a sin. Also, you asked in your previous post whether you are free to be a drunk or an adulterer. That was your question, and I answered it. The answer is yes. You did not ask whether God wants people to be drunks or adulterers.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I have gotten help. Christ freed me from those as He will free anyone who repents of their sins. This is key in the Good News and I truly hope homosexuals can see that and be free as well.


God has so much more for us than temporary pleasure brought about from satisfying our flesh.

Who, in this thread or any other, has ever said anything about wanting/needing temporary pleasure by satisfying the flesh?

It seems it's only your side.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Living in sin is living sin, whether its as a homosexual, adluterer, liar, gossip or any other. They should all be treated as equal, as God sees them.

Just because in the US I am free to be a drunk aldulterer doesn't mean its OK in God's eyes, and it is His eyes that matter.

But when God joins 2 together it is a beautiful thing.

 

[mont974x4]

God never joined two people of the same sex in the Bible as a beautiful thing.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

God never joined two people of the same sex in the Bible as a beautiful thing.

Well he does now.

And you did not answer my previous question.

I really want to know who in this thread or any other thread has ever said anything about wanting/needing temporary pleasure by satisfying the flesh?

You made the accusation. I think you ought to back it up or apologize.

 

[mont974x4]

God does not change, so He still doesn't. He does allow us to continue in our sin.


The nature of sin is to give in to our fleshly desires...seek temporary pleasure. We are all guilty in this. Romans chapters 6-8 address this pretty well. The battle for beleivers is to choose, continuously, between walking in the flesh or walking in the Spirit.

 

[Zecryphon]

If you can apply this verse to racial equality, you can also apply it to equality of sexual orientation, that's for darn sure!

"If you can apply this verse to racial equality, you can also apply it to equality of sexual orientation, that's for darn sure!"

How? I'd love to see this one happen. Please inform us all of how you can apply this verse to homosexuality. I would appreciate it if you'd be honest in what you're trying to do as well, when you apply this verse. You're obviously looking for some sort of justification for homosexuality not being a sin. You won't find one in the Bible. The Bible is clear, it IS a sin.

Sexual orientation is not an equality issue. It is what it is, definitive. If you are of one orientation, say homosexual, then by defiintion you can not also be heterosexual.

Once you get into "equality" you get into a rights issue. Nobody is being denied the right to be homosexual. If you are a homosexual and engaging in homosexual relations you are a sinner against God. The same way a heterosexual person who is not married engaging in heterosexual sex, is a sinner against God. Where do you get this idea that by being homosexual you're absolved from sexual sin against God?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

1) Being gay is not a "lifestyle." It's a characteristic.

2) You are free to continue living as a drunk or an adulterer, not because you were born drunk or adulterous, but because we have free choice in the United States. Plenty of people live as drunks and as adulterers, and they are free to do so. That may not be a good way to live, but people are and should be free to live like that.

Being gay is not at all like being drunk or being an adulterer, because there is nothing wrong with being gay; it's not an illness, not a moral defect or a sin. It's just a characteristic. Being born gay is not the issue; the issue is whether we are going to treat all people as equals and with respect regardless of their sexual orientation. I think we should.

So, does the same go with those who discriminate (Those who actually do, not the pathetic accusations by a member..) against homosexuals? They're free to do so are the not?

 

[JayJay77]

from ChalliceThunder:
Brother JayJay -

Perhaps we both need to pick up our crosses and follow Christ, and live in the tension of it all.

Yessir, and Amen!

But, still...where are the scriptures? If a relationship between two people of the same sex wasn't ever blessed in scripture, why should it change now?

 

[Ohioprof]

Yessir, and Amen!

But, still...where are the scriptures? If a relationship between two people of the same sex wasn't ever blessed in scripture, why should it change now?

What difference does it make whether it's in scripture? It is in scripture to love one's neighbor as oneself, and that should prompt all Christians to love gay people and to stop hounding us or beating us up with the Bible.

 

[Ohioprof]

Who, in this thread or any other, has ever said anything about wanting/needing temporary pleasure by satisfying the flesh?

It seems it's only your side.

That's right. The gay folks are not bringing this up; it's only the anti-gay people who seem obsessed with sex.

 

[mont974x4]

It would be unloving to not encourage people to live rightly, regardless of the sin being committed.

Again, I just wish homosexuality wasn't being treated as the sin of all sins, when it isn't. All sin should be approached the same and treated the same.

 

[Ohioprof]

God never joined two people of the same sex in the Bible as a beautiful thing.

So what? The Bible is not the only authority. I don't regard the Bible as an authority at all.

 

[Ohioprof]

It would be unloving to not encourage people to live rightly, regardless of the sin being committed.

Again, I just wish homosexuality wasn't being treated as the sin of all sins, when it isn't. All sin should be approached the same and treated the same.

Being gay is not a sin at all, regardless of your interpretation of the Bible.

It certainly not "loving" for you or anyone else to hound us with your judgments of us. I am not interested in whether you think my being who I am is a "sin." Please keep your judgments to yourself. That would be the loving, and the non-annoying, thing to do.

 

[Ohioprof]

God does not change, so He still doesn't. He does allow us to continue in our sin.


The nature of sin is to give in to our fleshly desires...seek temporary pleasure. We are all guilty in this. Romans chapters 6-8 address this pretty well. The battle for beleivers is to choose, continuously, between walking in the flesh or walking in the Spirit.

This has nothing to do with gay people or with being gay or with our loving our spouses. Please stop judging gay people.

 

[mont974x4]

That's OK, This is a Christian messag board and Christians do, at least to some extent depending on denomination, give the Bible its due.

Regardless, you brought up the idea that God does join and bless homosexual people. The Bible shows you to be mistaken and you have no proof to refute that.

 

[mont974x4]

We are in a section for debating homosexuality on a Chrisitian messageboard, how did you expect the discussion to go?

There is no judgment here, at least on my part, in otehr words I am not trying to condemn anyone. There is the biblical discerning (and discussing) of sin, lifestyles, etc. I am simply trying to point out biblical truths and encourage repentence.

 

[Ohioprof]

That's OK, This is a Christian messag board and Christians do, at least to some extent depending on denomination, give the Bible its due.

Regardless, you brought up the idea that God does join and bless homosexual people. The Bible shows you to be mistaken and you have no proof to refute that.

I am Christian. I do not, however, regard the Bible as an authority. The Bible is not "proof" of anything, except what some people in earlier times believed or thought.

Different Christians understand and interpret the Bible differently.