Homosexuality is natural.

[TheFathersDaughter]

Technically, the NT supports slavery too StarJewel (not abusive, but humans are too weak willed to control that sort of power).

Yep, read Philemon a couple of times.

 

[BAFRIEND]

You do not choose to be born

How do you know that ?

Prove it.

 

[david_x]

Why would homosexuality be wrong?

Have you ever experienced it? Having experienced, have you ever caught a glimps of what it feels like to rise above it (even if only for a brief moment)? Have you ever been so involved in a sin that it consumes your entire being and tears you to shreads? Do you know the pain it inflicts?

I don't believe that the whole Bible is the Word of God.

Then you are not free. You must know the truth to be free. The mind of one who does not know the truth and speaks what is false will come to judgement. One of the worse offences to God is misleading his people.

 

[david_x]

Jesus thought the entire O.T. was the Word of God. He countered unbiblical words and actions by merely saying "It is written. . .," in the gospels, at least 37 times.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:7, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 11:10, Matthew 21:13, Matthew 26:24, Matthew 26:31, Matthew 12:3, Matthew 12:5, Matthew 19:4, Matthew 22:31 (10X) Mark 1:2, Mark 7:6, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:13, Mark 11:17, Mark 14:21, Mark 14:27, Mark 12:10, Mark 12:26, (9X) Luke 3:4, Luke 4:4, Luke 4:8, Luke 6:3, Luke 7:27, Luke 10:20, Luke 18:31, Luke 19:46, Luke 20:17, Luke 21:22, Luke 22:37, Luke 24:44, Luke 24:46, (13X) John 6:31, John 6:45, John 8:17, John 10:34, John 15:25 (5X)​

I don't think I understand. These verse are being used in a way that seems to agree with the OT.
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[david_x]

How do you know that ?

Prove it.

Having to make the choice one would already have to have been around. It is not possible for any mortal to have been around forever. At some point God had to create us. Therefore it is impposible to choose your own creation.

 

[architeuthis]

Have you ever experienced it? Having experienced, have you ever caught a glimps of what it feels like to rise above it (even if only for a brief moment)? Have you ever been so involved in a sin that it consumes your entire being and tears you to shreads? Do you know the pain it inflicts?

i know i have. it's a painfully horrible place,and i'm glad to finally be out of it.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Have you ever experienced it? Having experienced, have you ever caught a glimps of what it feels like to rise above it (even if only for a brief moment)? Have you ever been so involved in a sin that it consumes your entire being and tears you to shreads? Do you know the pain it inflicts?



Then you are not free. You must know the truth to be free. The mind of one who does not know the truth and speaks what is false will come to judgement. One of the worse offences to God is misleading his people.

If experience meant anything, heterosexuality would be a sin for me. Because heterosexuality has caused me nothing but grief and hurt. Whereas all the men I've dated have be selfish, and all my attractions have been influenced by media, my attraction for women have been pure, and all my girlfriends have been loving and gentle. My current boyfriend is an exception, but he's special. My love for him is far beyond any sexuality.

Like I've said before, heterosexuality is a sin just as much as homosexuality. They both are the factors that create lust.

 

[ReformedChapin]

If experience meant anything, heterosexuality would be a sin for me. Because heterosexuality has caused me nothing but grief and hurt. Whereas all the men I've dated have be selfish, and all my attractions have been influenced by media, my attraction for women have been pure, and all my girlfriends have been loving and gentle. My current boyfriend is an exception, but he's special. My love for him is far beyond any sexuality.

Like I've said before, heterosexuality is a sin just as much as homosexuality. They both are the factors that create lust.

So your subjective experience determines sin now. Excellent.

 

[Brieuse]

Another pointless thread. Zero facts, many errors, crass assumptions, and attempts to condone judgmental homophobic opinions.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Another pointless thread. Zero facts, many errors, crass assumptions, and attempts to condone judgmental homophobic opinions.

Everyone has assumptions, facts can be interpret differently and homosexuality is a sin. Sorry that doesn't matter to you.

 

[*Starlight*]

That's it?

Well, yes... have you read that article?

Did you read the verses I quoted? From 1 Corinthians 6:12, a large section on sexual immorality: Paul is quoting people who say, "'Everything is permissible for me'" and then he argues, 'but not everything is beneficial'. Sounds kinda familiar...?
Taking Johnny's extra pencil in 3rd grade doesn't hurt him - he already has a pencil. But stealing is wrong. Right?



, do I have to quote my entire list of verses for you, again?
From Romans 1:24-28: Men abandoned having sex with women, and starting having sex with each other. (Is that still the politically correct defintion of homosexuality?) And then they were punished. They forgot about the truth of God for a lie.
I don't know if that's any clearer to you or not. It's pretty clear to me.

Posting a Bible verse doesn't explain why homosexuality would be wrong. It's like saying:

"Why would homosexuality be wrong?

"Because it says so here."

That's not a logical reason...

Have you ever experienced it? Having experienced, have you ever caught a glimps of what it feels like to rise above it (even if only for a brief moment)? Have you ever been so involved in a sin that it consumes your entire being and tears you to shreads? Do you know the pain it inflicts?



Then you are not free. You must know the truth to be free. The mind of one who does not know the truth and speaks what is false will come to judgement. One of the worse offences to God is misleading his people.

I haven't experienced homosexuality, because I'm not a homosexual. But according to homosexuals, their relationships don't inflict pain, and don't tear anyone to shreds. The love in their relationships is exactly the same as the love in heterosexual relationships. And it's better for two people who love each other in a romantic way to live together in a relationship than to break up and live miserable lonely lives... That's reality.

 

[Brieuse]

Everyone has assumptions, facts can be interpret differently and homosexuality is a sin. Sorry that doesn't matter to you.

That's your opinion, not fact. To this day, I have not seen one verse in the Bible that says loving monogamous homosexual relationships are a sin. I have been force fed out of context verses though in callous attempts for people to exert their small minded opinions and will upon me in able for them to feel superior to me. Now you tell me which would God prefer?

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]That's your opinion, not fact. To this day, I have not seen one verse in the Bible that says loving monogamous homosexual relationships are a sin. I have been force fed out of context verses though in callous attempts for people to exert their small minded opinions and will upon me in able for them to feel superior to me. Now you tell me which would God prefer?[/SIZE]

Yeah right! The Jews have been out-of-context for 3000 years +/-?

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.​

From the time of Moses, ca. 1200 BC, the Talmudic scholars interpreted the scriptures as condemning ALL homosexuals acts; by ALL persons, male and female; in ALL places, under ALL circumstance, at ALL times, NO exceptions.

The Talmudic scholars did NOT even mention, and did NOT limit the condemnation of homosexual acts to, “homosexual rape,” “temple prostitution,” pagan temples and/or religious activities!

Talmud -- Sanhedrin 54a

MISHNAH. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A WOMAN THAT COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED. . . . Our Rabbis taught: If a man lieth also with mankind, as the lyings of a woman,29 both of them have committed on abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them,]. . . [Note: All upper case appears in the original]

Sanhedrin 54b

This teaches the punishment: whence do we derive the formal prohibition? — From the verse, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[sup]1[/sup] . . . whence do we know a formal prohibition for the person who permits himself thus to be abused? — Scripture saith: There shall be no sodomite of the sons of Israel:[sup]2[sup] and it is further said, . . .

Now, he who [actively] commits pederasty, and also [passively] permits himself to be thus abused — R. Abbahu said: On R. Ishmael's view, he is liable to two penalties, one [for the injunction] derived from thou shalt not lie with mankind, and the other for [violating the prohibition,] There shall not be a Sodomite of the sons of Israel. . . .

for there shall be no Sodomite applies to sodomy with mankind. [sup]13[/sup] . . .

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Jewish Encyclopedia - Dog

The shamelessness of the dog in regard to sexual life gave rise to the name ("dog") for the class of priests in the service of Astarte who practised sodomy ("kedeshim," called also by the Greeks &#954;&#965;&#957;&#945;&#943;&#948;&#959;&#953;, Deut. xxiii. 19 [A. V. 18]; compare ib. 18 [17] and Rev. xxii. 15; see Driver ad loc.), . . .(see "C. I. S." i., No. 86).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=415&letter=D

Jewish Encyclopedia - Chastity

(e) The unnatural crimes against chastity, sodomy and pederasty, prevalent in heathendom, were strictly prohibited (Lev. xviii. 22, 23; xx. 13, 15, 16; Deut. xxvii. 21).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=386&letter=C

Jewish Encyclopedia - DIDACHE -

Dependence upon Jewish Custom.

2: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Ex. xx. 14). (This includes: "Thou shalt not commit sodomy nor fornication.") "Thou shalt not steal" (Ex. xx. 15). . . .

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=341&letter=D

Jewish Encyclopedia - Crime

In three cases the person on the point of committing a crime may be killed: where he pursues a neighbor in order to kill him; where he pursues a male to commit sodomy;

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=301&letter=L

Jewish Encyclopedia - The 613 Commandments,: 3347-53.

Adultery, sodomy, etc. Lev. Xviii. 7, 14, 20, 22, 23.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=689&letter=C​

 

[Brieuse]

Yeah right! The Jews have been out-of-context for 3000 years +/-?

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.​

From the time of Moses, ca. 1200 BC, the Talmudic scholars interpreted the scriptures as condemning ALL homosexuals acts; by ALL persons, male and female; in ALL places, under ALL circumstance, at ALL times, NO exceptions.

The Talmudic scholars did NOT even mention, and did NOT limit the condemnation of homosexual acts to, “homosexual rape,” “temple prostitution,” pagan temples and/or religious activities!

Talmud -- Sanhedrin 54a

MISHNAH. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A WOMAN THAT COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED. . . . Our Rabbis taught: If a man lieth also with mankind, as the lyings of a woman,29 both of them have committed on abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them,]. . . [Note: All upper case appears in the original]

Sanhedrin 54b

This teaches the punishment: whence do we derive the formal prohibition? — From the verse, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[sup]1[/sup] . . . whence do we know a formal prohibition for the person who permits himself thus to be abused? — Scripture saith: There shall be no sodomite of the sons of Israel:[sup]2[sup] and it is further said, . . .

Now, he who [actively] commits pederasty, and also [passively] permits himself to be thus abused — R. Abbahu said: On R. Ishmael's view, he is liable to two penalties, one [for the injunction] derived from thou shalt not lie with mankind, and the other for [violating the prohibition,] There shall not be a Sodomite of the sons of Israel. . . .

for there shall be no Sodomite applies to sodomy with mankind. [sup]13[/sup] . . .

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Jewish Encyclopedia - Dog

The shamelessness of the dog in regard to sexual life gave rise to the name ("dog") for the class of priests in the service of Astarte who practised sodomy ("kedeshim," called also by the Greeks &#954;&#965;&#957;&#945;&#943;&#948;&#959;&#953;, Deut. xxiii. 19 [A. V. 18]; compare ib. 18 [17] and Rev. xxii. 15; see Driver ad loc.), . . .(see "C. I. S." i., No. 86).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=415&letter=D

Jewish Encyclopedia - Chastity

(e) The unnatural crimes against chastity, sodomy and pederasty, prevalent in heathendom, were strictly prohibited (Lev. xviii. 22, 23; xx. 13, 15, 16; Deut. xxvii. 21).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=386&letter=C

Jewish Encyclopedia - DIDACHE -

Dependence upon Jewish Custom.

2: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Ex. xx. 14). (This includes: "Thou shalt not commit sodomy nor fornication.") "Thou shalt not steal" (Ex. xx. 15). . . .

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=341&letter=D

Jewish Encyclopedia - Crime

In three cases the person on the point of committing a crime may be killed: where he pursues a neighbor in order to kill him; where he pursues a male to commit sodomy;

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=301&letter=L

Jewish Encyclopedia - The 613 Commandments,: 3347-53.

Adultery, sodomy, etc. Lev. Xviii. 7, 14, 20, 22, 23.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=689&letter=C​

blatant misuse of scripture to undermine innocent human beings!

To this day I have not seen one Bible verse that condemns loving monogamous homosexual relationships!

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]blatant misuse of scripture to undermine innocent human beings!

To this day I have not seen one Bible verse that condemns loving monogamous homosexual relationships![/SIZE]

Thats right the Jews have been blatantly misusing scripture for 3000 years.

 

[Brieuse]

Thats right the Jews have been blatantly misusing scripture for 3000 years.

lalalala = your "nanana" posts.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]lalalala = your "nanana" posts.[/SIZE]

That's what I said. The "lalalala"s in the cartoon are because the central character, "Danae," will not listen to any argument that contradicts her.

 

[Brieuse]

That's what I said. The "lalalala"s in the cartoon are because the central character, "Danae," will not listen to any argument that contradicts her.

Danae = Der Alter

 

[teen4jesus92]

...
Then you are not free. You must know the truth to be free. The mind of one who does not know the truth and speaks what is false will come to judgement. One of the worse offences to God is misleading his people.

Thank you.

i know i have. it's a painfully horrible place,and i'm glad to finally be out of it.

...
To this day I have not seen one Bible verse that condemns loving monogamous homosexual relationships!

Man, you must not read your Bible! LOL!
Romans 1:27 - Men had sex with each other and were punished.
Leviticus 18:22 - God's command: Do not have sex with someone of your same gender.

(I have some more, but I have to go, so I will post them when I come back.)

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

So your subjective experience determines sin now. Excellent.

Wow, you just love taking my posts out of context. That's quite a malicious way of trying to win an argument don't you think so?

David just tried to use the exact same tactics AGAINST homosexuality. Oh, but if it agrees with YOUR opinion it's automatically wrong. I forgot about that part.