Homosexuality is natural.

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[SIZE=-1]Actually, that exactly makes something right, because if something doesn't harm anyone, then there's no reason why it would be in any way wrong[/SIZE].

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.​

 

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Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.​

Why would homosexuality be wrong?

 

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[SIZE=-1]Why would homosexuality be wrong?[/SIZE]

Be glad to answer that question as soon as you show me where God commands us to question or argue with the morality, motives, etc. for his commandments. Meanwhile, something God did say.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.​

 

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Be glad to answer that question as soon as you show me where God commands us to question or argue with the morality, motives, etc. for his commandments. Meanwhile, something God did say.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.​

Well, right now I know a few arguments against the idea that homosexuality is wrong, and nothing that would support that idea. So I simply can't just ignore these arguments.

 

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[SIZE=-1]Well, right now I know a few arguments against the idea that homosexuality is wrong, and nothing that would support that idea. So I simply can't just ignore these arguments.[/SIZE]

So instead you ignore the Word of God?

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Pro 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

Jer 9:23 Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:​

 

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So instead you ignore the Word of God?

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Pro 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

Jer 9:23 Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:​

I don't believe that the whole Bible is the Word of God.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I don't believe that the whole Bible is the Word of God.

Pick and choose... I don't like everything on the menu, but I don't go around saying it's not food.

What are you going to do, start your own religion and tell everybody what parts of the Bible are and are not the Word of God ?

An aspiring Branch Davidian, here ?

 

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Pick and choose... I don't like everything on the menu, but I don't go around saying it's not food.

What are you going to do, start your own religion and tell everybody what parts of the Bible are and are not the Word of God ?

An aspiring Branch Davidian, here ?

Nope, I don't plan to start my own religion. I already have a religion, and it's good. But it's not called Biblical fundamentalism.

 

[PinkTulip]

Nope, I don't plan to start my own religion. I already have a religion, and it's good. But it's not called Biblical fundamentalism.

OK, so according to you the Bible is not a fundamental component of Christianity. So throw it out the window. No scriptures read on Sunday. Start fresh, tear the church down and rebuild it.

Why do I state this? God does not contradict himself. If the Bible is the Word of God, then it is error free. If it is only partly the Word of God as some people think or filled with errors, then it is not from God and Christianity has ZERO basis. Without scripture we would not know Christ died for our sins. That is a fact because it is not written anywhere else.

Now, where do you start in the church without scripture?

 

[david_x]

Not all that is natural is sin. And you don't have any control over anything that is natural.

Also, birth is a choice. You choose to have sex. It is in no way "unpreventable".

You do not choose to be born, if you mean sex say sex. Sex is not natural in marrige, men are made to have sex with multiple people, women with one man.

Everything that is natural is a sin because it is selfish.

It is natural to kill anyone that gets in your way. It is natural to be concerned with your own survival only.

So, you seem to be admitting that a person who leads a gay lifestyle has given up on God ?

Yes. A person that turns their back on God and lives in a sinful way has severed their relationship with God.

 

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OK, so according to you the Bible is not a fundamental component of Christianity. So throw it out the window. No scriptures read on Sunday. Start fresh, tear the church down and rebuild it.

Why do I state this? God does not contradict himself. If the Bible is the Word of God, then it is error free. If it is only partly the Word of God as some people think or filled with errors, then it is not from God and Christianity has ZERO basis. Without scripture we would not know Christ died for our sins. That is a fact because it is not written anywhere else.

Now, where do you start in the church without scripture?

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[SIZE=-1]I don't believe that the whole Bible is the Word of God.[/SIZE]

Jesus thought the entire O.T. was the Word of God. He countered unbiblical words and actions by merely saying "It is written. . .," in the gospels, at least 37 times.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:7, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 11:10, Matthew 21:13, Matthew 26:24, Matthew 26:31, Matthew 12:3, Matthew 12:5, Matthew 19:4, Matthew 22:31 (10X) Mark 1:2, Mark 7:6, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:13, Mark 11:17, Mark 14:21, Mark 14:27, Mark 12:10, Mark 12:26, (9X) Luke 3:4, Luke 4:4, Luke 4:8, Luke 6:3, Luke 7:27, Luke 10:20, Luke 18:31, Luke 19:46, Luke 20:17, Luke 21:22, Luke 22:37, Luke 24:44, Luke 24:46, (13X) John 6:31, John 6:45, John 8:17, John 10:34, John 15:25 (5X)​

In the remainder of the N.T. the apostles used some form of that more than 100 times.

FYI in 1948 a shepherd boy looking for lost sheep near the Dead Sea, in Israel, found some caves with ancient scrolls, not long after more scrolls were found nearby at Qumran. The scrolls proved to be portions of every book in the O.T., except Esther. These scrolls dated to 100 BC, proving that we, today, have in our hands the same O.T. that Jesus quoted, as the Word of God, without any qualms.

God said his word would not return unto him void but would accomplish his purpose. What you "believe" about the Bible, contradicts God, and is irrelevant

 

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Jesus thought the entire O.T. was the Word of God. He countered unbiblical words and actions by merely saying "It is written. . .," in the gospels, at least 37 times.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:7, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 11:10, Matthew 21:13, Matthew 26:24, Matthew 26:31, Matthew 12:3, Matthew 12:5, Matthew 19:4, Matthew 22:31 (10X) Mark 1:2, Mark 7:6, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:13, Mark 11:17, Mark 14:21, Mark 14:27, Mark 12:10, Mark 12:26, (9X) Luke 3:4, Luke 4:4, Luke 4:8, Luke 6:3, Luke 7:27, Luke 10:20, Luke 18:31, Luke 19:46, Luke 20:17, Luke 21:22, Luke 22:37, Luke 24:44, Luke 24:46, (13X) John 6:31, John 6:45, John 8:17, John 10:34, John 15:25 (5X)​

In the remainder of the N.T. the apostles used some form of that more than 100 times.

FYI in 1948 a shepherd boy looking for lost sheep near the Dead Sea, in Israel, found some caves with ancient scrolls, not long after more scrolls were found nearby at Qumran. The scrolls proved to be portions of every book in the O.T., except Esther. These scrolls dated to 100 BC, proving that we, today, have in our hands the same O.T. that Jesus quoted, as the Word of God, without any qualms.

God said his word would not return unto him void but would accomplish his purpose. What you "believe" about the Bible, contradicts God, and is irrelevant

The OT isn't the whole Bible

And do you think that the parts of the OT which allow slavery is also the Word of God?

 

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[SIZE=-1]The OT isn't the whole Bible

And do you think that the parts of the OT which allow slavery is also the Word of God?[/SIZE]

The O.T. may not be the entire Bible but the verses I quoted were O.T. and you blew them off with your opinion!

Which parts are you talking about, specifically? Do you have personal knowledge of such passages or are you just posting an argument you happened to read somewhere?

There were 2 types of slave in the O.T., captured enemy combatants who had opposed God. And your objection is? Also poor people who contracted themselves as servants for a specific period of time to provide money for their families.

 

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Jesus thought the entire O.T. was the Word of God. He countered unbiblical words and actions by merely saying "It is written. . .," in the gospels, at least 37 times.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.​

Matthew 4:7, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 11:10, Matthew 21:13, Matthew 26:24, Matthew 26:31, Matthew 12:3, Matthew 12:5, Matthew 19:4, Matthew 22:31 (10X) Mark 1:2, Mark 7:6, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:13, Mark 11:17, Mark 14:21, Mark 14:27, Mark 12:10, Mark 12:26, (9X) Luke 3:4, Luke 4:4, Luke 4:8, Luke 6:3, Luke 7:27, Luke 10:20, Luke 18:31, Luke 19:46, Luke 20:17, Luke 21:22, Luke 22:37, Luke 24:44, Luke 24:46, (13X) John 6:31, John 6:45, John 8:17, John 10:34, John 15:25 (5X)​

In the remainder of the N.T. the apostles used some form of that more than 100 times.

FYI in 1948 a shepherd boy looking for lost sheep near the Dead Sea, in Israel, found some caves with ancient scrolls, not long after more scrolls were found nearby at Qumran. The scrolls proved to be portions of every book in the O.T., except Esther. These scrolls dated to 100 BC, proving that we, today, have in our hands the same O.T. that Jesus quoted, as the Word of God, without any qualms.

God said his word would not return unto him void but would accomplish his purpose. What you "believe" about the Bible, contradicts God, and is irrelevant

Well the dead sea scrolls contain huge amounts of scriptures that are conspicuously missing from today’s bible.

The Book of 1 Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, the Testament of Levi are not part of the bible.

The Dead Sea Scrolls contain prophecies by Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel not found in the Bible

The Dead Sea Scrolls contain psalms previously unknown.

The scrolls contain previously unknown stories about biblical figures such as Enoch, Abraham, and Noah. The story of Abraham includes an explanation why God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac.

 

[MrPirate]

The O.T. may not be the entire Bible but the verses I quoted were O.T. and you blew them off with your opinion!

Which parts are you talking about, specifically? Do you have personal knowledge of such passages or are you just posting an argument you happened to read somewhere?

There were 2 types of slave in the O.T., captured enemy combatants who had opposed God. And your objection is? Also poor people who contracted themselves as servants for a specific period of time to provide money for their families.

Justifying slavery? Wow…a new low


Exodus 21:2-6 Details how Hebrew children are born into slavery and remain slaves

Funny how you forgot to bring that one up

And then there are the rules for selling ones daughter as a sex slave. Exodus 21:7-11 Wow….real family values there

 

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[SIZE=-1]Well the dead sea scrolls contain huge amounts of scriptures that are conspicuously missing from today’s bible.

The Book of 1 Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, the Testament of Levi are not part of the bible.

The Dead Sea Scrolls contain prophecies by Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel not found in the Bible

The Dead Sea Scrolls contain psalms previously unknown.

The scrolls contain previously unknown stories about biblical figures such as Enoch, Abraham, and Noah. The story of Abraham includes an explanation why God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac.[/SIZE]

Aside from the fact that you have provided no evidence or documentation for these claims, so what? Assuming there were scrolls in the DSS-Qumran as you state, what does commentary, discussion by ancient Jewish scholars about these topics have to do with anything? The fact that scrolls may have been found that are not part of our Bibles, does NOT make them scripture!

 

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[SIZE=-1]Justifying slavery? Wow…a new low

Exodus 21:2-6 Details how Hebrew children are born into slavery and remain slaves

Funny how you forgot to bring that one up

And then there are the rules for selling ones daughter as a sex slave. Exodus 21:7-11 Wow….real family values there[/SIZE]

Wow, copy/pasting arguments from some God hating, Jesus hating, Bible hating website without bothering to verify the scripture yourself. "He shall go free in the seventh year for nothing," does NOT mean servant for life.

Ex 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.​

"Servant" and "wife," does NOT mean sex slave.

Ex 21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.​

So far you haven't gotten one thing right. Maybe you should try getting your information from Christian not athiest websites, and actually reading the Bible for yourself.

 

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That's it?

 

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Actually, that exactly makes something right, because if something doesn't harm anyone, then there's no reason why it would be in any way wrong.

Did you read the verses I quoted? From 1 Corinthians 6:12, a large section on sexual immorality: Paul is quoting people who say, "'Everything is permissible for me'" and then he argues, 'but not everything is beneficial'. Sounds kinda familiar...?
Taking Johnny's extra pencil in 3rd grade doesn't hurt him - he already has a pencil. But stealing is wrong. Right?

Why would homosexuality be wrong?

, do I have to quote my entire list of verses for you, again?
From Romans 1:24-28: Men abandoned having sex with women, and starting having sex with each other. (Is that still the politically correct defintion of homosexuality?) And then they were punished. They forgot about the truth of God for a lie.
I don't know if that's any clearer to you or not. It's pretty clear to me.