Homosexuality - Here I stand.

[Texas Lynn]

I know both sexes are very different. I know I couldn't raise a boy into a strong, capable man all by myself. He'd definitely need male role models, if not seek them out himself. Some boys with single Mom's who are products of divorce have said "I want to live with my Father" and the court allowed them to live with their Father. I know of several in my own extended family where this has happened.

And if gay couples hide who the other real birth parent is, most children if not all will go into depression, and when they reach adulthood, they will seek out the missing birth parent.

While we may want a romantic ideal that love is all a child needs, that is not the reality of all a child needs.

Our purpose is to raise adults because parents never know how long they will live. This "love" approach could give you an enabled child who doesn't know how to be an adult nor take on adult responsibilities. We are only children for a little while, but we face a lifelong challenge of adulthood. We are raising adults, not children.

In the best-known chronicle of adoption by a gay couple, Dan Savage's The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Get Pregnant, Savage noted they opted for open adoption, the usual procedure these days. In that they have regular contact with their son's birth parents who are "gutter punks" in the argot of the urban Northwest (homeless beggars who travel primarily between Seattle, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, and do not stay in shelters because they will not take their dogs). IMO all adoptions should be open adoptions.

The rest of your post there consists of basically a pie-in-the-sky viewpoint of parenting. This is not a perfect world and attempts to oppress folks does not help to make it so. Some have dealt with this reality; others have not.

 

[Zeena]

Aught we not rather to receive the image of God in Christ Jesus than to go about recreating ourselves?

How's about you answer then, Texas Lynn..

Do you know what is it to be born again?

 

[Texas Lynn]

How's about you answer then, Texas Lynn..

Do you know what is it to be born again?

Why single me out?

 

[Zeena]

Why single me out?

Well, HoloHope isn't answering..

1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

[LightHorseman]

Saint Paul judged in Righteousness, so did Peter and Jude and John, ALL of the epistles have something to say to those who chose idols over God.
Jesus Himself has PLENTY to say in Revelations!

Jesus didn't write Revelation (did you know there is no "s" in Revelation? I know it was probably just a typo, but a lot of people think its called "RevelationS", it isn't, just "Revelation")

 

[Thaeoles]

Jesus didn't write Revelation (did you know there is no "s" in Revelation? I know it was probably just a typo, but a lot of people think its called "RevelationS", it isn't, just "Revelation")

With that type of argument you could ignore the whole Bible.

 

[LightHorseman]

How's about you answer then, Texas Lynn..

Do you know what is it to be born again?

What makes you so sure that your definition of being born again is the correct one?

I don't think it has anything to do with massive numbers of random, uncomentated Bible quotes and massive chunks of text in a signature box, for example.

 

[Zeena]

Jesus didn't write Revelation (did you know there is no "s" in Revelation? I know it was probably just a typo, but a lot of people think its called "RevelationS", it isn't, just "Revelation")

How's about addressing what is said instead of pointing out a typo..

What is your witness?

Is Christ your Life?

Do you go on in sin?

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[LightHorseman]

With that type of argument you could ignore the whole Bible.

Um, no, its not even an argument, its a matter of fact. Jesus didn't write Revelation, therefore, Jesus doesn't have ANYTHING to say in Revelation. St John does. St John even says what Jesus will say (apparently) but, in legal terms, thats what we call "hearsay", which is notoriously unreliable. Even IF we accept that St John's words are an 100% accurate description of a 100% God given vision, I think its still a long bow to say that its "Jesus words".

Hey, I like the Bible. I don't want to discount it or ignore it, I just think its very important not to fall into the trap of elevating the Bible, a book, a very human book, to the position of the 4th person of the Trinity.

 

[LightHorseman]

How's about addressing what is said instead of pointing out a typo.. Jeez. Ya try to help people...

What is your witness?

Huh? If I understand you correctly, this is. Do you think the pseudo King James-ese talk makes you sound more Christian or something?

Is Christ your Life?

I do my best.

Do you go on in sin?

Of course. I'm a fallible human, just like you. But I seek to do better every day, and pray that I might.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And he made staves of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood, and overlaid them with gold." - Exodus 37:4

Think about it.

 

[Zeena]

Um, no, its not even an argument, its a matter of fact. Jesus didn't write Revelation, therefore, Jesus doesn't have ANYTHING to say in Revelation. St John does. St John even says what Jesus will say (apparently) but, in legal terms, thats what we call "hearsay", which is notoriously unreliable. Even IF we accept that St John's words are an 100% accurate description of a 100% God given vision, I think its still a long bow to say that its "Jesus words".

Hey, I like the Bible. I don't want to discount it or ignore it, I just think its very important not to fall into the trap of elevating the Bible, a book, a very human book, to the position of the 4th person of the Trinity.

Very human book?!?

The entire Bible is the exact same thing!
Are you saying it is not inspired?!?

How's about you give us your testimony right here and now, you who do not follow the Bible but God..

Is Jesus your Life or ain't He?

 

[Thaeoles]

Um, no, its not even an argument, its a matter of fact. Jesus didn't write Revelation, therefore, Jesus doesn't have ANYTHING to say in Revelation. St John does. St John even says what Jesus will say (apparently) but, in legal terms, thats what we call "hearsay", which is notoriously unreliable. Even IF we accept that St John's words are an 100% accurate description of a 100% God given vision, I think its still a long bow to say that its "Jesus words".

Hey, I like the Bible. I don't want to discount it or ignore it, I just think its very important not to fall into the trap of elevating the Bible, a book, a very human book, to the position of the 4th person of the Trinity.

What I was saying was that with that argument of saying 'Jesus didn't write that' could be used on the Gospels and the rest of the Holy Scriptures. And no, I do not elevate it as God.

 

[Zeena]

How's about addressing what is said instead of pointing out a typo..

Jeez. Ya try to help people...

That's just it!

YOU try!

Your either walking after the Spirit or the futility of your flesh!
If it's YOU trying then it's no longer of faith!

Galatians 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

What is your witness?

Huh? If I understand you correctly, this is. Do you think the pseudo King James-ese talk makes you sound more Christian or something?

My intent is not to sound Christian, for I am Christian, and works follow faith!

Is Christ your Life?

I do my best.

So then, YOU are not Christ, are you?

How is Christ your Life if YOU are the one living it?!?

Do you go on in sin?

And he made staves of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood, and overlaid them with gold." - Exodus 37:4

Think about it.

It's all Antimonian to me.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[LightHorseman]

Very human book?!?

Um, yeah. I tell you what, you find me a Bible that wasn't authored, collected, edited, transcribed, translated, printed, published, sold or read by humans, and I'll retract my comment.

The entire Bible is the exact same thing!
Are you saying it is not inspired?!?

No, I believe it IS inspired. I don't believe it was dictated. Big difference.

How's about you give us your testimony right here and now, you who do not follow the Bible but God..

I don't understand the question. What do you mean by "give your testimony"?

Is Jesus your Life or ain't He?

Yes

 

[LightHorseman]

That's just it!

YOU try!

Your either walking after the Spirit or the futility of your flesh!
If it's YOU trying then it's no longer of faith!

Galatians 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

My intent is not to sound Christian, for I am Christian, and works follow faith!

So then, YOU are not Christ, are you?

How is Christ your Life if YOU are the one living it?!?



It's all Antimonian to me.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Look, its really not that I want tto be rude or anything, sincerely I don't, but between the random Bible quotes and the pseudo religious speak... I'm really not sure what you're saying or asking.

Try talking in modern, common idiom, then we'll talk.

 

[Zeena]

Yes

1 John 2:6 NIV
Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

Is Jesus a homosexual?

1 Corinthians 6:15
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

 

[wayseer]

Very human book?!?

The entire Bible is the exact same thing!
Are you saying it is not inspired?!?

I think you are missing the point. As I understand LH, he is making the distinction between accepting the Bible as 'written' by God by pointing out that the Bible is a collection of works 'written' by men, and perhaps the odd woman.

Parts of the Bible are 'inspired' - parts are anything but.

 

[Zeena]

I think you are missing the point. As I understand LH, he is making the distinction between accepting the Bible as 'written' by God by pointing out that the Bible is a collection of works 'written' by men, and perhaps the odd woman.

Parts of the Bible are 'inspired' - parts are anything but.

Jesus studied the Scripture.

And so He does, in and through me, as I yeild to Him for Life.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

 

[HaloHope]

How's about you answer then, Texas Lynn..

Do you know what is it to be born again?

Sorry for not answering myself I have been pretty busy.

I'm not a huge fan of the pentecostal/american-evangelical style of "born-again" I was however saved, excepted Jesus in my heart and do my best to maintain a relationship with him.

I just dont happen to view my sexuality as an obstacle to having a relationship with him.

 

[wayseer]

Just because David and Jonathan were best friends does not make them gay. I think you're reading too much into that.

Perhaps - perhaps not.

So what is the difference between my reading 'something' and others 'reading' something else?