Homosexuality - Here I stand.

[Zeena]

Perhaps that is a predictable response.

Isn't it obvious that Jesus studied the Scripture to search out the things of God?

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

 

[BreadAlone]

MOD HAT​

Guys, STOP being rude to one another. "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."

I don't care if you disagree, but you don't have to be insulting and annoying to get your points across. If it continues, official Staff Action will have to begin . .

 

[one11]

I'm sorry if what I said seemed rude. Others have been rude to me too.

But preaching against the Bible being an idol while one has another idol or idols is a moot point.

If not getting us veering way OT.

 

[HaloHope]

The double post is quite 'ironic' too
How so? Men and women are different, are they not?

I don't think men and women are that different, I don't feel either gender is more or less capable of doing something for example.

I'm sorry for your loss.
My dad was taken away by the authorities when I was an infant, and my mom raised us kids. Though she always tried to have an authority figure around [eg;a man] it just wasn't the same without my dad.

Im not particularly upset by it, Ive patched things up with my mum since but dont really speak to my Dad. I'm kinda glad that neither of them raised me as they evidently werent equipped to be parents at the time anyway. Sorry to hear about your situation.

 

[one11]

Stop laughing and do some reading - then you will have to think - you might then learn something.

The Church has consistently told us what it wanted us to hear - it has vested interest in keeping the lid on things. In this way the Church is not all that far from those Islamists who deny women any sort of education. Well, the cat is well and truly out of the bag - we no longer have to live in the 17th Century.

How game are you - ready for a challenge - or are you going to continue to treat the Bible as some sort of idol to be protected at all cost? Your call.

Ummmmmmmmmm, I do think. Thank you very much.

And you don't see you're saying basically "You have a toothbrush; I have a toothbrush?

All we can conclude from that type of circular reasoning if that we both have toothbrushes.

And you went from point A to point A.

 

[one11]

I don't think men and women are that different, I don't feel either gender is more or less capable of doing something for example.



Im not particularly upset by it, Ive patched things up with my mum since but dont really speak to my Dad. I'm kinda glad that neither of them raised me as they evidently werent equipped to be parents at the time anyway. Sorry to hear about your situation.

I know both sexes are very different. I know I couldn't raise a boy into a strong, capable man all by myself. He'd definitely need male role models, if not seek them out himself. Some boys with single Mom's who are products of divorce have said "I want to live with my Father" and the court allowed them to live with their Father. I know of several in my own extended family where this has happened.

And if gay couples hide who the other real birth parent is, most children if not all will go into depression, and when they reach adulthood, they will seek out the missing birth parent.

While we may want a romantic ideal that love is all a child needs, that is not the reality of all a child needs.

Our purpose is to raise adults because parents never know how long they will live. This "love" approach could give you an enabled child who doesn't know how to be an adult nor take on adult responsibilities. We are only children for a little while, but we face a lifelong challenge of adulthood. We are raising adults, not children.

 

[SpiritDriven]

Greetings all,
I was posting on the subject of Homosexuality in another part of the Forum, and while I am not Homosexual myself....I thought it would be Valid here...

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Actualy...a lot of people miss read Paul.......

Lets just go back to Romans 8 for a minute....

Chapter 8
1 Nothing, consequently, is now condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. Not according to flesh are they walking, but according to spirit,
2 for the spirit's law of life in Christ Jesus frees you from the law of sin and death.
3 For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,
4 that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.
5 For those who are in accord with flesh are disposed to that which is of the flesh, yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.

If you try to correct the Flesh.....then you are walking after the Flesh, as Romans 8 mentions...For those who are in accord with Flesh are disposed to that which is of the Flesh.

Have you ever noticed how the Church has been trying to correct the Flesh for Centuries...and failed miserably....because they walk after the flesh ? and not the Spirit....they are after all disposed towards the things of the Flesh.

For what was impossible to the Law....

I guess many could believe their right standing with God was because of what they do or do not do.... but I would rather trust in the actions and deeds of Jesus Christ on my behalf....because I know that my very best effort will fall dismaly short of his.

Now that is walking after the Spirit !

To Sum up....the Smug Self Righteouse Heterosexual is trusting in their Sexuality to have right Standing with God... they walk after what their flesh is doing and are not completly trusting in the actions and deeds of Jesus Christ on their behalf, to have right standing with God.

The Homosexual, and Bi Sexual who are under attack from the smug Self righteouse Heterosexual, can only desperately hope in Jesus Christ on their behalf....woa!..talk about walking after the Spirit there, big time too.
yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.


Scripture does actualy say...that he who believes in him will not be disapointed....

Incidently I am not having a go at anybody here, because of their sexuality...I had to be rather more descriptive than normal to illustrate the real difference, between what is walking after the Flesh, and what is walking after the Spirit.

Peace

 

[BigBadWlf]

I know both sexes are very different. I know I couldn't raise a boy into a strong, capable man all by myself. He'd definitely need male role models, if not seek them out himself. Some boys with single Mom's who are products of divorce have said "I want to live with my Father" and the court allowed them to live with their Father. I know of several in my own extended family where this has happened.

And if gay couples hide who the other real birth parent is, most children if not all will go into depression, and when they reach adulthood, they will seek out the missing birth parent.

While we may want a romantic ideal that love is all a child needs, that is not the reality of all a child needs.

How is this different form any adopted child?

That question aside research has consistently shown that children raised by gay/lesbian parents are happy, healthy and well adjusted and remain so well into adulthood

 

[one11]

How is this different form any adopted child?

That question aside research has consistently shown that children raised by gay/lesbian parents are happy, healthy and well adjusted and remain so well into adulthood

It's not different from any adoptive child. Yet heterosexuals are trying to have children within the two person union of man and woman and in science they can use the husbands sperm and the wives egg; whereas a homosexual couple wanting to have their own children will have to outside their partnership altogether period.

What are your sources for the above regarding gay/lesbian parents consistently show....

 

[Zeena]

I don't think men and women are that different, I don't feel either gender is more or less capable of doing something for example.

What exactly do you mean by not 'that' different? Are they different or aren't they?

I'm talking makeup here eg;spirit, soul and body.

The spirit of man, I would say, is the very same spirit that all mankind is concieved with, for we are all individually human beings. Though I might easily contend that the communion aspect of the male's spirit is more enlightened upon conception as the conscious and intuitive aspect of the womans spirit is more finey tuned.. Nevertheless, in the spirit there is neither male nor female. But how about the soul? Is not a woman more in in tune with her emotions as men are with his thoughts and will? Surely at least physically, we could agree?

Im not particularly upset by it, Ive patched things up with my mum since but dont really speak to my Dad. I'm kinda glad that neither of them raised me as they evidently werent equipped to be parents at the time anyway. Sorry to hear about your situation.

Thanks, and I'm glad you and your mom are reconciled, family is important, praise God.
By saying they were not equipped, you are saying that they were not Christians, or that they chose not to study and show themselves approved?

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

I'm the first Christian in my family, so no one in my family was equipped by God to raise me neither..

 

[Zeena]

Greetings all,
I was posting on the subject of Homosexuality in another part of the Forum, and while I am not Homosexual myself....I thought it would be Valid here...

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Actualy...a lot of people miss read Paul.......

Lets just go back to Romans 8 for a minute....

Chapter 8
1 Nothing, consequently, is now condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. Not according to flesh are they walking, but according to spirit,
2 for the spirit's law of life in Christ Jesus frees you from the law of sin and death.
3 For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,
4 that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.
5 For those who are in accord with flesh are disposed to that which is of the flesh, yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.

If you try to correct the Flesh.....then you are walking after the Flesh, as Romans 8 mentions...For those who are in accord with Flesh are disposed to that which is of the Flesh.

Have you ever noticed how the Church has been trying to correct the Flesh for Centuries...and failed miserably....because they walk after the flesh ? and not the Spirit....they are after all disposed towards the things of the Flesh.

For what was impossible to the Law....

I guess many could believe their right standing with God was because of what they do or do not do.... but I would rather trust in the actions and deeds of Jesus Christ on my behalf....because I know that my very best effort will fall dismaly short of his.

Now that is walking after the Spirit !

To Sum up....the Smug Self Righteouse Heterosexual is trusting in their Sexuality to have right Standing with God... they walk after what their flesh is doing and are not completly trusting in the actions and deeds of Jesus Christ on their behalf, to have right standing with God.

The Homosexual, and Bi Sexual who are under attack from the smug Self righteouse Heterosexual, can only desperately hope in Jesus Christ on their behalf....woa!..talk about walking after the Spirit there, big time too.
yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.


Scripture does actualy say...that he who believes in him will not be disapointed....

Incidently I am not having a go at anybody here, because of their sexuality...I had to be rather more descriptive than normal to illustrate the real difference, between what is walking after the Flesh, and what is walking after the Spirit.

Peace

What a wonderfully enlightened post SpiritDriven!

Thank you so much for sharing!

Myself, I believe that as one is enlightened, as to the truth of thier identity in Christ, behaviour will follow the freedom that walking in the spirit is.

P.S.
What version of Scrpture did you quote from in Romans 8?
I really enjoyed that!

 

[one11]

Greetings all,
I was posting on the subject of Homosexuality in another part of the Forum, and while I am not Homosexual myself....I thought it would be Valid here...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Actualy...a lot of people miss read Paul.......

Lets just go back to Romans 8 for a minute....

Chapter 8
1 Nothing, consequently, is now condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. Not according to flesh are they walking, but according to spirit,
2 for the spirit's law of life in Christ Jesus frees you from the law of sin and death.
3 For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,
4 that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.
5 For those who are in accord with flesh are disposed to that which is of the flesh, yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.

If you try to correct the Flesh.....then you are walking after the Flesh, as Romans 8 mentions...For those who are in accord with Flesh are disposed to that which is of the Flesh.

Have you ever noticed how the Church has been trying to correct the Flesh for Centuries...and failed miserably....because they walk after the flesh ? and not the Spirit....they are after all disposed towards the things of the Flesh.

For what was impossible to the Law....

I guess many could believe their right standing with God was because of what they do or do not do.... but I would rather trust in the actions and deeds of Jesus Christ on my behalf....because I know that my very best effort will fall dismaly short of his.

Now that is walking after the Spirit !

To Sum up....the Smug Self Righteouse Heterosexual is trusting in their Sexuality to have right Standing with God... they walk after what their flesh is doing and are not completly trusting in the actions and deeds of Jesus Christ on their behalf, to have right standing with God.

The Homosexual, and Bi Sexual who are under attack from the smug Self righteouse Heterosexual, can only desperately hope in Jesus Christ on their behalf....woa!..talk about walking after the Spirit there, big time too.
yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.


Scripture does actualy say...that he who believes in him will not be disapointed....

Incidently I am not having a go at anybody here, because of their sexuality...I had to be rather more descriptive than normal to illustrate the real difference, between what is walking after the Flesh, and what is walking after the Spirit.

Peace

While I say this has some valid points, I don't quite see it the same way as too many churches today are "flesh" focused rather than focusing on the fact that the Holy Spirit is our "helper" as Jesus called the Holy Spirit, and that we are to rely on the Holy Spirit to help us out of a lifestyle of sin rather than following what the world believes or wants for their flesh.

I want what God wants from us His people, rather than what the world wants.

Heterosexuals are seeking the Holy Spirit too.

 

[Zeena]

Case in point I'm gay..

Aught we not rather to receive the image of God in Christ Jesus than to go about recreating ourselves?

 

[SpiritDriven]

Aught we not rather to receive the image of God in Christ Jesus than to go about recreating ourselves?

Indeed, Repentance of our own actions and deeds to attain right standing with God....is the repentance God is calling all peoples too.

Peace

 

[HaloHope]

Aught we not rather to receive the image of God in Christ Jesus than to go about recreating ourselves?

Im still unsure as to what im meant to actually respond to this with?

 

[Zeena]

Im still unsure as to what im meant to actually respond to this with?

SpiritDriven gave a WONDERFUL answer!

What is yours?

Mine is YES, AMEN!

Father, I am NOTHING in this life without you!
I can't be like you Lord, for I am not You!!!

Come, and be my Life Jesus!!!
I NEED You!!!

AMEN.

Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye presented your members as servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity, even so now present your members as servants to righteousness unto sanctification.

 

[Texas Lynn]

No, they are not.

Genesis 1:27
And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Eve came from Adam, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh.
Under ONE umberella called mankind.

I'm sorry, but citing the poetry of Genesis regarding the Adam and Eve Myth does not support the argument that gender and sexual orientation are the same.

One could with as much validity cite Ezekiel's "wheels within wheels" to support the notion that the movie Independence Day was a true story

 

[Texas Lynn]

What does that have to do with what I said "that non-denominational are loosely Baptist and that we stand on the word of God and that the word of God is our bread, our nourishment?"

It was you who claimed Baptists believed in creeds and I just corrected that notion in terms of the traditions of Baptists...while noting Baptists have changed much in the last fifty years from advocates of church-state separation to advocates of theocracy in many cases.

And Clinton was Baptist, I believe!

Still is.

 

[Texas Lynn]

God's name is not Sophia!

Being God, by definition, his name could be whatever he wishes and changed as constantly as he wishes. "Sophia" is Greek for "wisdom" and what is God except the repository of all wisdom? Isaac Asimov once suggested God had nine billion names. More than that, actually.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I still believe God called homosexuals to be celibate...

A god who would do that would not be a good god, but instead an evil monster worthy of nothing but contempt. No such god exists except in fearful imaginations.