Homosexuality - Here I stand.

[HuntingMan]

Please don't bore them with facts and evidence. That might get in the way of their preconceived notions of what they want to believe based on absolutely no evidence except ill conceived opinions.

Please dont bore them with overwhelming evidence from GODS words that shows in EVERY case that marriage is a man and woman and that in EVERY case that same gender sex is mentioned it is condemned.

 

[david_x]

I think you mean humans are mammals? And I don't think animal behavior has anything to do with human behavior. It's a straw man and silly.

No, humans do belong to the kingdom animalia (i.e. they are not plants or bacteria). Human behavior is very similar to the behavior of animals. Where humans differ from animals are in some of the other psychological disciplines.

 

[david_x]

Animals are incapable of love. Does anyone think that dogs can be homosexual?

 

[HuntingMan]

I look forward to the forthcoming goal post shift, however...

Apparently you dont know how this works.
WE make the assertion that Gods word is AGAINST homosexuality and the burden of proof is on us to support that assertion...
Homosexuality

YOU make the assertion that Gods somehow allows homosexuality and the burden of proof is on YOU to support that view.

NONE of you have shown a single thing that supports the idea that GOD is ok with homosexuality.
WE, however, HAVE given clear support that Gods word DOES teach against same gender sexual relations and at least one of you has already admitted that fact.
Homosexuality

God created animals, according to the Bible. Some of those animals display bi and homosexual traits as well as heterosexual ones.

SO.....WHAT ?

-SOME animals eat their own young.....you saying we can do that too ?
-SOME animals fling their own feces....maybe I ought to try this one
-Some animals EAT their feces......I suppose we ought to look into this snack?

Your point is without meaning until you use the SAME reasoning to justify man doing EVERYTHING that some animal does....

Therefore, if God created animals, and some animals are homosexual, then God created homosexuality, and thus, homosexual sex. QED.

This is as ridiculous as saying God created satan so therefore God created sin.....God created the rapist so therefore God created rape....preposterous.

 

[Hentenza]

Based on the fact that the authors of the Bible knew barely a thing about biology, that verse doesn't really carry much weight. How does one define "flesh"? It certainly isn't skin, as many other animals have skin. And since man is an animal, we don't biologically have different flesh.

Yep, I guess the Holy Spirit just told them wrong. Jase, is God wrong? Do you think that God knows a thing or two about biology? Or do you think that us mere humans can define what God created better than God?

 

[LightHorseman]

Your church disagrees with you. Again, God created animals of a different flesh.

1 Cor 15:39
39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.

Your logical premise above fails because, although God did create animals, He created them of a different flesh and therefore, morally separate from humans. Read your bible.

That goal post shift I was talking about? Ladies and gentlemen, I present it here...

First of all it was "God did not create homosexual sex", now, it turns out, he DID, but only for animals.

Now, if thats what you believe, well, thats fine... but please be consistent and cease claiming that God didn't create homosexuality. You need to specify that you believe that God created homosexuality for animals ONLY.

 

[LightHorseman]

Apparently you dont know how this works.
WE make the assertion that Gods word is AGAINST homosexuality and the burden of proof is on us to support that assertion...
Homosexuality

YOU make the assertion that Gods somehow allows homosexuality and the burden of proof is on YOU to support that view.

NONE of you have shown a single thing that supports the idea that GOD is ok with homosexuality.
WE, however, HAVE given clear support that Gods word DOES teach against same gender sexual relations and at least one of you has already admitted that fact.
Homosexuality
SO.....WHAT ?

-SOME animals eat their own young.....you saying we can do that too ?
-SOME animals fling their own feces....maybe I ought to try this one
-Some animals EAT their feces......I suppose we ought to look into this snack?

Your point is without meaning until you use the SAME reasoning to justify man doing EVERYTHING that some animal does....

This is as ridiculous as saying God created satan so therefore God created sin.....God created the rapist so therefore God created rape....preposterous.

How about we stick with natural urges that humans share with animals, rather than your straw herring? (thats where a red herring and a strawman argument combine, I just made it up, but I think it suits)

 

[LightHorseman]

Yep, I guess the Holy Spirit just told them wrong. Jase, is God wrong? Do you think that God knows a thing or two about biology? Or do you think that us mere humans can define what God created better than God?

When in doubt, the "Are you calling God a liar?!" bluster is always handy.

 

[Zeena]

How about we stick with natural urges that humans share with animals, rather than your straw herring? (thats where a red herring and a strawman argument combine, I just made it up, but I think it suits)

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[LightHorseman]

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Thats nice.

"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day." - Numbers 15:32

I can randomly quote the Bible without any form of comentary too. Fun isn't it?

 

[Sitswithamouse]

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If some one (say a pastor or preist) came up to you and told you you could not marry for a reason because they had discerned it on a spritual basis would you agree.?

 

[david_x]

If some one (say a pastor or preist) came up to you and told you you could not marry for a reason because they had discerned it on a spritual basis would you agree.?

If they were held in good standing by the church, yes. There would be no cause to fabricate that.

 

[Sitswithamouse]

If they were held in good standing by the church, yes. There would be no cause to fabricate that.

How many pastors have been held in good standing and proven to have been deceitful?

Who do you trust ?

 

[LightHorseman]

If they were held in good standing by the church, yes. There would be no cause to fabricate that.

Interesting... since Paul clearly held that marriage was, at best, the lesser of two possible evils, and felt that abstinence was spiritually preferable. I wonder if you have ever given Paul's call for general celibacy anything more than the briefest hypothetical consideration?

 

[NaLuvena]

If some one (say a pastor or preist) came up to you and told you you could not marry for a reason because they had discerned it on a spritual basis would you agree.?

Fails the 1 Corinthians 2:14 verse test, because we are supposed to receive the knowledge from the Spirit and not from an intermediary. That said, if said pastor told said lady that she could not marry for a reason, and the Holy Spirit confirmed it to said lady, then it would definitely be true.

 

[david_x]

Interesting... since Paul clearly held that marriage was, at best, the lesser of two possible evils, and felt that abstinence was spiritually preferable. I wonder if you have ever given Paul's call for general celibacy anything more than the briefest hypothetical consideration?

It is awesome that you bring that up...I am celibate.

 

[Sitswithamouse]

Fails the 1 Corinthians 2:14 verse test, because we are supposed to receive the knowledge from the Spirit and not from an intermediary. That said, if said pastor told said lady that she could not marry for a reason, and the Holy Spirit confirmed it to said lady, then it would definitely be true.

I understand that.
But.........
What if a pastor told you that being Gay was a sin and then in private engaged in homosexual acts?

ETA.. and you were convicted by the holy spirit after his advice that he was right and telling the truth?

 

[david_x]

How many pastors have been held in good standing and proven to have been deceitful?

Who do you trust ?

Many, a that is what will happen. That does not, however, mean that i will not trust them. If they mislead, not my fault but if i disobey and they do prove to be in the right i have scorned the One i love.

 

[LightHorseman]

Fails the 1 Corinthians 2:14 verse test, because we are supposed to receive the knowledge from the Spirit and not from an intermediary. That said, if said pastor told said lady that she could not marry for a reason, and the Holy Spirit confirmed it to said lady, then it would definitely be true.

Ah... and here you stumble onto an interesting conundrum... if God has such a problem with homosexuality, why are there all these Christian homosexuals who sincerely pray for guidance who never recieve word from the Holy Spirit that there is anything wrong with their sexuality?

 

[david_x]

Ah... and here you stumble onto an interesting conundrum... if God has such a problem with homosexuality, why are there all these Christian homosexuals who sincerely pray for guidance who never recieve word from the Holy Spirit that there is anything wrong with their sexuality?

If one is living out a sin, it is unlikely that they actually hear anything from God in such a conversation.