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^^ QFMT ^^Or maybe that everyone needs Him, and that there's nobody who is too sinful for Him to come in and abide with them. This little routine of us righteous vs. them sinners is the exact game the Pharisees played, and we know what He had to say about them doing it.
My take on it is that it's not the trying to stop sinning that is the hardest, it is the stopping that is hard. Pauls compassion and humanity shine through in Romans chapter 7 when he talks about his own problems of sinning, his battles between good and evil, and of course the salvation, deliverance from sin that came from and comes through Christ Jesus.
Clearly if one of the original Apostles of our Lord had difficulty with sinning, certainly I will have problems as well. And I do. There may be Christians who do not sin. But I have never met one. Despite our best efforts here on earth, the battle between good and evil will continue until it is settled by Christ once and for all.
This is an interesting question. Why not?A person should not denigrate or marginalize others and then turn around and blame God for this.
How do you know?God has never marginalized gay people, nor has God condemned us.
God speaks for God, His testimony is in the Bible, some people cite and quote God's word. My opinion is that one should never accuse people who speak God's word of not speaking God's word, what they are really doing is simply refusing to recognise God's word and blaming the person who speaks it. However Jesus tells us in His word that people will do this so we should expect it.Some people seem eager to do that, though, to speak for God and to imagine they know what God wants them to do to others.
I think you confuse people's beliefs about God with God's word. I see no evidence anywhere that God has ever denigrated gay people. I do hear some individuals in these threads denigrating gay people and then attributing their beliefs about gay people to God. That's wrong. It's wrong to denigrate others and then attribute our negative beliefs about other people to God. If we are truly humble before God, we will not presume to judge others, nor will we presume to speak for God.This is an interesting question. Why not?
How do you know?
God speaks for God, His testimony is in the Bible, some people cite and quote God's word. My opinion is that one should never accuse people who speak God's word of not speaking God's word, what they are really doing is simply refusing to recognise God's word and blaming the person who speaks it. However Jesus tells us in His word that people will do this so we should expect it.
Gee, and here all this time we thought that bes the Holy Spirit's job to convict of sin, righteousness and judgment.Has nothing to do with the post. You can love and show mercy all you like. That doesn't release us from God's command to point out wrong to the evil doer or to use His Word to correct, rebuke, teach and train in righteousness.
Frankly, listening to someone prattle endlessly and tiresomely about how supposedly "obedient to God" they bes when they cannot even manage the most basic level of eschewing pointless tit-for-tat snark, bores the everliving schnitzel outta Moriah. Point that thing somewhere else.Frankly, coming from folks who consistently show themselves to be more concerned with being tolerant than they are to being obedient to God's Word, such words generally mean nothing to me.
except God has not appointed you the judge of other people. God has called you like everyone else to examine THEMSELVES. Not one another. Speaking of which ...I'm called of God to righteously judge just as you think you just did.
Oh put a sock in it already and get some perspective here.you go ahead and do the tolerance thing. I'm gonna deliver God'sTruth.
Um hello? Gospel 101 anyone? JC eating with sinners, associating with the outcast, diseased, disabled, demonized, everyone society marginalised and tried to spin as "losers" back then?? JC turned society's putrid little self-serving garbage pecking order right on its dungstinking little head, He did. Opened His arms to the sick and sinful and afflicted and hated and despised; pushed aside the lofty and the proud what sat around inventing toxic theologies to institutionalise the marginalization of the suffering; He marginalised THEM instead. He made the last to be FIRST and the first to be LAST. HE came to reveal LOVE, the TRUE face of Creator Father God, to all those whom the good, clean, pristine, white-robed, "obedient" and "perfect" RELIGIOUS people NEVER tired of telling off, day in, day out, what horrible nasty filthy sinners they bes and how one day God will get them, leering with glee, throw them all into a fiery furnace to burn forever and ever amen!! JC said WHAT means ye that ye beats My people and GRINDS the faces of the poor and needy?? Enough of that crap, I'm here and I've got a better plan.This is an interesting question. Why not?
How do you know?
Well not quite, Jesus associated with the marginalised, He didn’t associate with the diseased, disabled and demonized, He healed them and cast out demons. But my question asked why, and you have referred to the gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Bible. Yet the person I asked would tell you that is just your interpretation of the Bible, or rather they would if they disagreed with what the Bible says if they didn’t like it.Um hello? Gospel 101 anyone? JC eating with sinners, associating with the outcast, diseased, disabled, demonized, everyone society marginalised and tried to spin as "losers" back then??
Well yes I agree. But He also taught the right way to live. So answer to your response is yes according to His Biblical testimony He taught to love others, just as He taught that God’s purpose in creation was man and woman.JC turned society's putrid little self-serving garbage pecking order right on its dungstinking little head, He did.
He didn't say that to her until all the Pharisees were gone.
No, that depends on whether one believes in the Biblcial testimony as God’s word or not. For someone who believes that is their belief about God. What you seem to be doing as far as I can see is suggesting God’s word depends on people’s beliefs about it. This is much the same as simply refusing to recognise God's word and blaming the person who speaks it. That seems to me to be the denial of God.I think you confuse people's beliefs about God with God's word.
You have a severely warped perspective on JC going on here. Bes you raised by abusive types what constantly made sure you knew how "rotten" you bes but rarely offered any viable solutions other than the generic black box of stop being?Jesus made sure that everyone that was there that day knew that they were a sinner, and that He was the answer. All of them may not have believed the last part, but there was no doubt in anyones mind that they were a sinner.
Have you ever considered a career as a pretzel maker?As to modern day Pharisees, the Pharisees not only marginalised people, they disagreed with Jesus Christs testimony and teaching. I suppose therefore that in context modern day Pharisees would be either those who dont have something of Jesus Christs loving attitude towards people or deny Jesus Christs teaching by promoting same-sex unions.
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You are right. It's bass ackwards to compare those who support accepting gay people with the Pharisees. I have no doubt that Jesus today would call on everyone to accept gay people and to stop pointing fingers at gay people. The people who point fingers at gay people resemble the Pharisees in some respects. They insist that their rigid interpretation of scripture is the only right one, and they insist that we gay people are sinners, and anyone who doesn't agree with them is sinning too for disagreeing with them.Have you ever considered a career as a pretzel maker?
If Jesus were walking the Earth today, you can bet he would be hanging out with homosexuals, people with AIDS, people suffering from depression, and other "undesirables" of the world.
And fundamentalists would be calling for his death.
But do you agree with what I wrote? Let me give you examples.Have you ever considered a career as a pretzel maker?
No, it does not agree at all with what you wrote, and even less so now that you have laid your logical fallacies on the countertop so everyone can see your intricate work in twisting things.But do you agree with what I wrote?
I have given you the Bible references and some text. Let me clarify. In Matthew 23 Jesus says to the Pharisees “You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.” That is an example of how the Pharisees marginalised people. They told people they were unclean and could enter the temple etc.No, it does not agree at all with what you wrote, and even less so now that you have laid your logical fallacies on the countertop so everyone can see your intricate work in twisting things.
So how many homosexuals, bisexuals, transgendered, gay ffirming people in here don't accept the Bible as God's Word?
Has God given you over to the sinful desires of your heart to sexual impurity because you have suppressed His Truth?
This seems to be the general opinion of those who support the idea of same-sex unions. In fact the Bible does say it is Gods word because it records God saying it and crucially on this very topic. Jesus Christ (Matt 19) refers the Pharisees to the scriptures as what God said (Gen 2) This was about Gods creative purposes in man and woman. But the Pharisees did ate least recognise that it was Gods word even if they had made false assumptions about it.Well, I don't believe the Bible is God's Word, because it never says it is.
And I believe that God's Word is something we would all do well to listen to,
But you have just said you dont believe the Bible is Gods word and now you quote the Bible as Gods word. !!
Dear David Brider,
This seems to be the general opinion of those who support the idea of same-sex unions.
In fact the Bible does say it is God’s word because it records God saying it...
...and crucially on this very topic. Jesus Christ (Matt 19) refers the Pharisees to the scriptures as what God said (Gen 2)
But you have just said you don’t believe the Bible is God’’s word and now you quote the Bible as God’s word. !!
Have you ever considered a career as a pretzel maker?
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