Holiness

[Thekla]

"Be ye perfect ..." is in the future tense, ie be becoming perfect.

As God "is perfect", thus be becoming conformed to the image and likeness of God toward completion.

 

[11822]

"Be ye perfect ..." is in the future tense, ie be becoming perfect.

As God "is perfect", thus be becoming conformed to the image and likeness of God toward completion.

I heard someone say one time that the word perfect is actually mistranslated. They said the word was hard to translate from the original language for some reason that i now forget. They claimed the word would be better translated to mean mature instead of perfect. I don't now if this is true or not. Just sharing it.

 

[Thekla]

I heard someone say one time that the word perfect is actually mistranslated. They said the word was hard to translate from the original language for some reason that i now forget. They claimed the word would be better translated to mean mature instead of perfect. I don't now if this is true or not. Just sharing it.

I think it could be, yes - both in the sense of being completed or fulfilled.

 

[11822]

But with the holy Spirit guiding us by using the whole bible, we can't be lead astray even by a simple mistranslation of a word, as long as we are open minded seeking truth and walk by faith and not sight, God teaches us Himself. We don't need to know everything, just trust God and pray for His help to understand and obey, if we do that Gods grace is sufficient for us. I love Jesus and know i belong to Him, only the Holy Spirit can tell us this. The closer we get to God in prayer and obedience, the closer He gets to us and the more we see how awesome and loving He really is.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"Be ye perfect ..." is in the future tense, ie be becoming perfect.

As God "is perfect", thus be becoming conformed to the image and likeness of God toward completion.

Interesting Thekla
Can you show me a verse using that particular tense

One good thing I like about this hebrew/greek/english Interlinear is not only can I find exact word forms of hebrew/greek words, but I can click on the case, tense/gender of a word and it will show me where all those are used...

The ISA shows this form in Matt 5:48 as: a_ Nom Plural Masc

Young) Matthew 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect/teleioi <5046>,as also the Father of ye the in the heavens is perfect/teleioV <5046>.

Textus Rec.) Matthew 5:48 esesqe oun umeiV teleioi wsper o pathr umwn o en toiV ouranoiV teleioV estin

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

teleioi <5046> Used 5 times in 5 verses: 1 each in Matt, 1 Corin, Philip 3:15, Coloss 4:12, James 1:4

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Especially cooks in diners after they use the bathroom

Yep, that's why i don't like restaurants.

I'm not afraid of Jesus, just afraid of not following Him. I love Jesus.

There was a scene in this movie "Johnson Family Vacation" where they were sitting in a burger restaurant and Cedric went to use the bathroom and a cook came out of a stall after doing "bm" and walked straight out the door w/o washing his hands....him and his family got up and ran out before eating their food

They did this kewl gig toward the end of the movie tho

Johnson Family Vacation(whu know the song title? - YouTube

 

[Kirjath-sepher]

But with the holy Spirit guiding us by using the whole bible, we can't be lead astray even by a simple mistranslation of a word, as long as we are open minded seeking truth and walk by faith and not sight, God teaches us Himself. We don't need to know everything, just trust God and pray for His help to understand and obey, if we do that Gods grace is sufficient for us. I love Jesus and know i belong to Him, only the Holy Spirit can tell us this. The closer we get to God in prayer and obedience, the closer He gets to us and the more we see how awesome and loving He really is.

Maybe this might clear it up some

The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

P.S I enjoy your posts

 

[Frogster]

I think it could be, yes - both in the sense of being completed or fulfilled.

My sister, could it be there are two vantage points? Human and divine?

How does he see us?

Col 1;22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

 

[Frogster]

dang this thread has moved fast!

The fearsome twosome are in the top 4

from scratch 49

11822 39

JRSut1000 22

Frogster 22

 

[11822]

Here's how i look at holiness and the law. We all know that just thinking something makes us guilty of it, but Gods gives us his grace, we cannot be perfected in the flesh only the spirit, but the flesh wars against the spirit so we must forsake works of the flesh if we want to walk in the spirit and bear Good fruit. We must choose to limit what our eyes see if we want to limit what we think about. We will never be free of evil thoughts 100% maybe, but if we want to think good things we must not look at bad things. Even though we are forgiven for every sin we confess to God, we can't bear good fruit if our minds our corrupted by works of the flesh. Its not necessarily that we sinned in those evil thoughts, even though we did, its mostly about bearing good fruit that is pleasing to God and those thoughts war against that good fruit. Its most likely impossible to always have good thoughts because things enter our mind that we don't want there, even so we must choose to cast down these evil thoughts and we can only do it through effort on our part through prayer and censoring what we see and hear to only good things. Only then will we be able to walk in the spirit and bear good fruit for God. Sin wars against the Spirit and if we choose to indulge in sinful thoughts we will bear bad fruit. But if we cast those thoughts down by not indulging in them and also limit what we see to only good things, over time we will begin to think more good and less bad, and in the process we will begin to bear good fruit of the spirit. Sinful thoughts are violence, lust, the love of money and power, hate, revenge, and anything that glorifies sin. TV is just plain evil. We must sensor what we watch, this doesn't mean we can't watch an action flick every once in a while necessarily, but we need to identify what bad fruit we bear and stay away from those things as much as possible. Children get brainwashed by TV and music so its no wonder they are so disrespectful and sinful in todays world.


So the law is not bad, its designed to help us. If we think something is sin then for us its sin and we shouldn't do it because it makes us enemies to God. However it goes deeper than that, we cant get close to God by sinning, and also if we use the law to think we are righteous then we abuse the law because its designed so that we can get closer to God and love Him and each other. I think maybe its about loving God through obedience, loving each other and bearing Good fruit of the Spirit..

 

[11822]

Maybe this might clear it up some

The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

P.S I enjoy your posts

I like your scripture also.

 

[Frogster]

Yes,and if you read a little farther, you can see that the writer of Hebrews recognizes the possibilty that one can be sanctified and yet still reject it.

19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay, and again, “The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

yes, people can leave the new cov, I actually agree. Insanity lives in the flesh.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Maybe this might clear it up some

The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

P.S I enjoy your posts

Hello and welcome to CF

What bible version is that from? Just curious, as "Master" works for me also.
Tho we all just another brick in the wall

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

Young) Luke 6:40 A disciple is not above his teacher/didaskalon <1320>, but every one perfected shall be as his teacher/didaskaloV <1320>.

Textus Rec.) Luke 6:40 ouk estin maqhthV uper ton didaskalon autou kathrtismenoV de paV estai wV o didaskaloV autou

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
AV &#8212; Master (Jesus) 40, teacher 10, master 7, doctor 1

1320. didaskalos did-as'-kal-os from 1321; an instructor (genitive case or specially):--doctor, master, teacher.

Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall 1980 - YouTube

 

[11822]

So the law is not bad, its designed to help us. If we think something is sin then for us its sin and we shouldn't do it because it makes us enemies to God. However it goes deeper than that, we cant get close to God by sinning maybe, and also if we use the law to think we are righteous then we abuse the law because its designed so that we can get closer to God and love Him and each other. I think maybe its about loving God through obedience, loving each other and bearing Good fruit of the Spirit..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus dang this thread has moved fast!

The fearsome twosome are in the top 4

from scratch 49

11822 39

JRSut1000 22

Frogster 22

edit............

 

[Frogster]

So the law is not bad, its designed to help us. If we think something is sin then for us its sin and we shouldn't do it because it makes us enemies to God. However it goes deeper than that, we cant get close to God by sinning maybe, and also if we use the law to think we are righteous then we abuse the law because its designed so that we can get closer to God and love Him and each other. I think maybe its about loving God through obedience, loving each other and bearing Good fruit of the Spirit..

no..it was designed to show flesh, you are supposed to live by faith...3 TIMES in the NT! Give it a whirl, u won't be disappointed..


Gal 3;11Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, &#8220;THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.&#8221;

Rom 1:17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, &#8220;BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.&#8221;

Heb 10:38BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.

 

[11822]

no..it was designed to show flesh, you are supposed to live by faith...3 TIMES in the NT! Give it a whirl, u won't be disappointed..


Gal 3;11Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”

Rom 1:17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”

Heb 10:38BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.

What did you think of my thoughts on the law and holiness? Just follow the link if you missed it. My faith is in Jesus by the way, i'm not shrinking back at all.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7591195-21/#post58527810

 

[Frogster]

What did you think of my thoughts on the law and holiness? Just follow the link if you missed it. My faith is in Jesus by the way, i'm not shrinking back at all.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7591195-21/#post58527810

why was Abe credited as righteous, and he did not have the law?

Answer that, and you get free tickets to SNL....

 

[11822]

why was Abe credited as righteous, and he did not have the law?

Answer that, and you get free tickets to SNL....

Abe listened to what God told Him to do so his faith declared Him righteous. God tells us to do many things in His word through Jesus and His apostles and faith tells me to listen to God because i want to know Him also. My faith is in Jesus and faith obeys what its taught to do, at least that's my understanding of it. So if i have faith in Jesus i will rest in Gods forgiving Grace but also obey His teaching.

 

[11822]

Abe didn't want a false God that didn't talk to him, one that didn't have any power and neither do I. I don't want an idol, i want God. God speaks to me in his word and in my heart, so i know i am a son of God because His spirit tells me i am. I'm not following after idols, the word of God is not idolatry, living like the world lives is idolatry.