Holiness

[from scratch]

Brother, i love you but you really need to stop with the examination of others and preach the whole word of God.

My buddy Frogster and I have no problems with those who preach and teach the whole word of God.

 

[Nanopants]

Yep being scared is a motivator for sure.

Just because this is a good opportunity to throw this in...

But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

(Mat 14:27)

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

(1 John 4:18)

 

[from scratch]

I agree, but it still wasn't without Pauls' cooperation. I think this cooperation is what it's all about in a way. Because God is drawing us. He covets beings who finally, freely, reverse Adam & Eve's decision within themselves. We can't do this on our own but He still wants our striving, our consent, our participation. He doesn't need it. He can elect to save us any which way He wants-He could've saved A&E immediately after the fall. He could've made them obedient. But then what would've been the point of giving man free will to begin with? Our wills are the "prize", so to speak; to align them with His will, gruelingly, if that's what it takes (because hard lessons are one thing this life provides), has something to do with the glory God desires for man.

Kinda like a rose garden, isn't it. Folks only want to talk about the beautiful rose and no other asoect of the garden. Guess that is one of the things that isintriguing about this to me. I love making use of the manure. And I do get stuck by a thorn or two.

 

[from scratch]

I think I'm finally getting what you've been trying to say. Sorry I have a thick skull.

Who doesn't?

 

[Nanopants]

Man's righteousness must come from God. All righteousness comes from God. By disobeying God, Adam & Eve began to operate according to their own righteousness, determining good and evil for themselves. Through the Cross, mans "righteousness" is exposed for the evil it is-filthy rags worn in place of the genuine thing, the true perfection or righteousness God created for man to wear. He wants us to wear it again-adorned with the innocence He always intended.

I will agree if we can agree that the righteousness that God intends for us to "adorn" is His own righteousness, if we are in Him and his Spirit is in us.

 

[fhansen]

Kinda like a rose garden, isn't it. Folks only want to talk about the beautiful rose and no other asoect of the garden. Guess that is one of the things that isintriguing about this to me. I love making use of the manure. And I do get stuck by a thorn or two.

I like that. My wife does the gardening here, however-while I do the farming-just a different scale of gardening I guess.

 

[from scratch]

just for the record, you don't like judging, rom 14...

But really, how we gonna snatch em, if we don't judge them as unsaved?
Often unsaved say they are "ok" , do ya believe em and walk away, or make a judgment call? And if they are unsaved, you would have to be in a sense judging them to condemnation, just like how Paul did, for 1-3 of Romans. So just sayin,..there is a place for all things, at the right time, even judging.

I don't think it is the judging at all. It is more like every one doesn't take his view. It is his way to get others to back out of their position when nothing else works. It is plying the rules of the forum to manipulate.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Paul does talk elsewhere about "synergy", ie we cooperate with what God does. (So of course we could also not cooperate ...)

LLOJ once again heads for the dictionary

Synergy

Synergy comes from the Greek words “sunergiā,” which means “cooperation,” and sunergos [strongs 4904], which means, “working together.”
The idea is that when things work together effectively, one and one can equal three. It means that combining forces produces a better product than that which could be produced separately <snip>.

Last time used in NT/NC of Bible:

Young) 3 John 1:8 we then ought to receive such, that fellow-workers/sun-ergoi <4904> we may become to the truth.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G4904 matches the Greek &#963;&#965;&#957;&#949;&#961;&#947;&#8057;&#962; (synergos), which occurs 13 times in 13 verses in the Greek concordance

4904. sunergos soon-er-gos' from a presumed compound of 4862 and the base of 2041; a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor:--companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow.

 

[from scratch]

Good bye.


Before i go let me just say that observing Sabbath is not a sin, but not being a doer of the word is. Whats more important?

We didn't say observing the sabbath was a sin.

Sounds pretty self condemning to me.

 

[from scratch]

I understand. I have argued against the extreme end of security, saying they have become robots, by the total complete detachment of themselves from it all.

I lean total security, total grace, but yes, there are scriptures that show people leave, they make a decision, and turn away, like in Hebrews.


I guess it is hard to imagine leaving the Lord, that's why the other night I said, "insanity is in the flesh", meaning one has to be insane, to want to leave God.

Wow this thread got busy at midnight. I'm still 10 hours behind.

 

[from scratch]

Some might describe the decision I'm in the process of making as leaving God.
I have become quite a fatalist lately, and that is resulting in my not seeing the need to go to church all the time, or sit around debating theology or doctrine (except for around here, I guess).
I have a longer story to tell that brought me to this decision, but I just bring it up because of what you say here, and that I don't think I'm insane.

You're not in a lone boat. Many (especially the older people) are leaving the organized church for this very reason.

 

[from scratch]

Thanks for the love.

You're welcome. Oh I'm sorry I forgot the friendly in response to your last post. Do come back, hear?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by 11822 Good bye.

Before i go let me just say that observing Sabbath is not a sin, but not being a doer of the word is. Whats more important?

Who implied that If the sabbatarian MJs and SDAs want to observe the Fri night thru Saturday sabbath, I have no problem with

Bye

We didn't say observing the sabbath was a sin.
Sounds pretty self condemning to me.

I should of known this would turn into another Sabbath discussion

http://www.christianforums.com/t7430788-4/#post55591200
This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All

Matt 24:19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath"

 

[from scratch]

One major thing that I think that is widely misunderstood is one of the effects that the Gospel had early on. Imagine yourself being a new believer and being told that you do not have to follow the levitical laws. One natural assumption to make is that there is no law and act accordingly (ref 1 and 2 Corinthians), but in reality this is lawlessness.

We are not called to lawlessness, but the law of Christ. (Gal 6:2) So much of what the Apostles wrote was their reaction to the misconception of absence of law.

Good preaching!

 

[from scratch]

Speaking of which, as you leave your church, they will quote Heb 10:25, not realizing the contextual meaning, as they try to hook you in, using the letter to kill. I'm just guessing, don't know your exact situation, but that is a common pastoral ploy.

Yea I've pointed that out. It is talking about the assembly of believers, isn't it?

 

[from scratch]

Aren't you guys a bit concerned with forsaking the assembly, Heb 10:25 and all? Just asking.

NOPE! why should anyone be concerned in leaving the social club. The qualifiyer is the assembly of believers within the context.

 

[from scratch]

I don't know about you, but I'm not facing the same kind of seclusion and opposition to meeting with fellow believers that the author of that line was, so my choices are naturally going to look a little different than his. All my friends are believers, so every evening out with the pals is an assembly, so I don't see myself forsaking anything.

 

[from scratch]

The problem with unifying with a system that has an institutionalized hierarchy is that we are expected to respect the authority of that hierarchy. We don't, so it just doesn't work.

Yeppers the problem is the flesh.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thanks for the love.

You're welcome. Oh I'm sorry I forgot the friendly in response to your last post. Do come back, hear?

I always came back to the Beverly Hillbillies show
"ya'll come back, hear"

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Young) 1 Corinthians 13:1 If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling;
2 and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing;

Beverly Hillbillies Intro - YouTube

 

[from scratch]

Brothers, this sparring is no good. We need to come together in agreement, we need to love one another in truth, we need to humble ourselves and love one another. I feel like i must leave because this stuff is hurting my walk with God.

Sure when you see it my way.