Holidays

[zeker33:9]

God doesn't want your worship to be once a week and a couple of times a year... everyday of the year could be a pagan celebration and it wouldn't affect my relationship with Jesus. We are to be in the world and not of it... to me being of the world is doing what the world does, celebrating what the world celebrates and believing what the world believes and this time of the year that would be Christmas.

That is exactly what the rest of us have been trying to tell you ECR.

 

[zeker33:9]

Most people pay God lip service with their worship because they don't have the type of personal relationship that He wants. They play church and celebrate Christmas and easter but their heart is far from Him. This applies to the vast majority of professed Christians both in Adventism and without.

Judge, jury and executioner are you now? You do realize that Easter is also recognized as Passover?

G3957
πάσχα
pascha
pas'-khah
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H6453]); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): - Easter, Passover.

H6453
פּסח
pesach
peh'-sakh
From H6452; a pretermission, that is, exemption; used only technically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim): - passover (offering).

Like I said earlier in the thread ECR, even if you're wrong, you're right the way you have set things up.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

God knows the heart of the person worshiping Him, better than they do. How do you know they are just paying Him lip service?

Do you walk by sight or by faith?

 

[Cribstyl]

That is exactly what the rest of us have been trying to tell you ECR.

You tell him Zeke ........ ECR also said.... "God doesn't want your worship to be once a week.....

If he really believes that, why does most SDA condemn the sincere worship of other churches?
Why does SDA consider my worship as keeping a false sabbath when I never make claims of keeping sabbath at all?

 

[Princessdi]

So why do you assume this statement only applies to you? Why is everyone else's house on fire because they celebrate Christmas? Nobody said anything about restricting worship to God to a couple times a year and once a week.
In fact, it is you who is giving the impression that you worship God anytime, but this time of year. We are asking you if you avoid worshipping God this time of year?

Some folks to go to church every wee(Saturday or Sunday) and they are not close to God. Some SDAs go to church each and every Sabbath, pay tithe, are vegan, wouldn't step foot in a restaurant on Sabbath, wear no jewelry, no make up, never, ever taken a drink or a drug....and wills til bust hell wide open. What you say might be true....about "some" people, but it does not apply to all who celebrate Christmas, Easter, or even St. Patrick's Day.

Two questions. Who told you what type of relationship God wants, and who are you to judge who does or doesn't have that relationship?

This is a very slippery slope you are on, because you are judging, yes judgeing everyone else's relatinship with God, speaking for God(which is really dangerous) about what he wants from us and asking more than He even requires. Youa r emaking this more difficult for yourself that it is, and trying to do the same to us, but some of us have grown passed that kind of pressure.

I think about and talk to Jesus every single day... to me that is defeating whatever satan can do to distract me from my worship and relationship with Him.

Most people pay God lip service with their worship because they don't have the type of personal relationship that He wants. They play church and celebrate Christmas and easter but their heart is far from Him. This applies to the vast majority of professed Christians both in Adventism and without.

God doesn't want your worship to be once a week and a couple of times a year... everyday of the year could be a pagan celebration and it wouldn't affect my relationship with Jesus. We are to be in the world and not of it... to me being of the world is doing what the world does, celebrating what the world celebrates and believing what the world believes and this time of the year that would be Christmas.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Judge, jury and executioner are you now? You do realize that Easter is also recognized as Passover?

Hardly, Jesus said that in that day many would come to Him saying, have we not done great things in your name and He will say to them, depart from me, I never knew you... those are not my presumptions. There are many scriptures that deal with the fact that only a few will make it into the Kingdom... now a few people in the history of the earth may be millions but it will still be a narrow rocky road travelled by few.

Also, if easter is recognized as Passover, then why don't the two coincide? Why are you celebrating Passover/easter anyway if the feast days were fulfilled? Easter is a fertility celebration of spring that follows the lunar cycle and was another righteously garbed pagan festival instituted by the RC church? How was it Jesus asked us to commemorate His death and resurrection? In 1 Cor 11 the instruction is given to the church to gather for a meal, to examine themselves and to remember the blood and body of Christ in fellowship and to do it as often as they gather to eat.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Princess, you bring up an excellent point... and that is if we are agreed that our relationship with God is everyday, then why need Christmas or Easter? There must be something other than worshipping God on those days for you if you do that everyday anyway. There must be some need of the tradition of it... why can't you just let it go?

And I hardly think I have any influence on anyone on here with what are my beliefs. If you have 'moved on' from it then why are you needing to try and correct me? Maybe you feel you have the greater light and are the one in danger of judging?

And for the record, my honouring God on Sabbath is different than my coming to Him throughout the week as He Sanctified and Hallowed that day for communion between Him and His people.

 

[zeker33:9]

Most people pay God lip service with their worship because they don't have the type of personal relationship that He wants. They play church and celebrate Christmas and easter but their heart is far from Him. This applies to the vast majority of professed Christians both in Adventism and without.

Hardly, Jesus said that in that day many would come to Him saying, have we not done great things in your name and He will say to them, depart from me, I never knew you... those are not my presumptions. There are many scriptures that deal with the fact that only a few will make it into the Kingdom... now a few people in the history of the earth may be millions but it will still be a narrow rocky road travelled by few.

Show me in Scripture where it says we can't recognize Jesus' birth and Resurrection.

Also, if easter is recognized as Passover, then why don't the two coincide? Why are you celebrating Passover/easter anyway if the feast days were fulfilled? Easter is a fertility celebration of spring that follows the lunar cycle and was another righteously garbed pagan festival instituted by the RC church? How was it Jesus asked us to commemorate His death and resurrection? In 1 Cor 11 the instruction is given to the church to gather for a meal, to examine themselves and to remember the blood and body of Christ in fellowship and to do it as often as they gather to eat.

Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (Act 12:1-4)

I don't think the RC church had formed just yet. Is the author of Acts, referring to passover or the pagan holiday?

 

[k4c]

Show me in Scripture where it says we can't recognize Jesus' birth and Resurrection.

Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (Act 12:1-4)

I don't think the RC church had formed just yet. Is the author of Acts, referring to passover or the pagan holiday?

The RC church translated words in the Bible to better fit what the were saying.

 

[zeker33:9]

The RC church translated words in the Bible to better fit what the were saying.

So now the KJV Bible is corrupt because the RC church changed words to fit what they wanted it to say?

1 It was about this time that King Herod arrested some who belonged to the church, intending to persecute them. 2 He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword. 3 When he saw that this met with approval among the Jews, he proceeded to seize Peter also. This happened during the Festival of Unleavened Bread. 4 After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover. (NIV)

G3957
πάσχα
pascha
pas'-khah
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H6453]); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): - Easter, Passover.

H6453
פּסח
pesach
peh'-sakh
From H6452; a pretermission, that is, exemption; used only technically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim): - passover (offering).

Looks like the words are interchangeable, unless Easter offends.

 

[k4c]

So now the KJV Bible is corrupt because the RC church changed words to fit what they wanted it to say?

1 It was about this time that King Herod arrested some who belonged to the church, intending to persecute them. 2 He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword. 3 When he saw that this met with approval among the Jews, he proceeded to seize Peter also. This happened during the Festival of Unleavened Bread. 4 After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover. (NIV)

G3957
πάσχα
pascha
pas'-khah
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H6453]); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): - Easter, Passover.

H6453
פּסח
pesach
peh'-sakh
From H6452; a pretermission, that is, exemption; used only technically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim): - passover (offering).

Looks like the words are interchangeable, unless Easter offends.

The word, passover is Biblical, Easter is not. We all know what passover is but Easter carries an undeatanding that has pagan roots.

I don't have time today to go into all this so you will have to do your onw research but here is one incident.

In Matthew 28:19 you find the command to baptize in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one water baptism and the commanded is to baptize in Jesus' name.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The book of Matthew is the only place in the entire Bible that speaks of a triune baptism, which contradicts the rest of the bible. So where did this triune baptism come from?

The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:

"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."

 

[zeker33:9]

The word, passover is Biblical, Easter is not. We all know what passover is but Easter carries an undeatanding that has pagan roots.

I don't have time today to go into all this so you will have to do your onw research but here is one incident.

In Matthew 28:19 you find the command to baptize in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one water baptism and the commanded is to baptize in Jesus' name.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The book of Matthew is the only place in the entire Bible that speaks of a triune baptism, which contradicts the rest of the bible. So where did this triune baptism come from?

The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:

"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."

So the bible is corrupt and we can't trust it. Thank you.

 

[k4c]

So the bible is corrupt and we can't trust it. Thank you.

Translations are not inspired, the original language is.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Don't forget that the Holy Spirit is what gives us the ability to understand the Word... a few translational errors that can be easily researched and corrctly understood offers no impedence to understanding.

The punctuation in the dialogue of Jesus to the thief on the cross is another error made with popular doctrine at the time of translation.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Two questions. Who told you what type of relationship God wants, and who are you to judge who does or doesn't have that relationship?

The scripture is clear what God expects.... did not Jesus say that men are to love their wives as Christ loves the church... thats pretty intimate. We are His bride, we are entered into that sacred, close relationship that join together as one.

As far as who has that relationship, of course I cannot determine that but we are told that we will know God's people by their fruits. While none of us are perfect, there are those I know that profess Christ but their words and actions reveal the truth... we only need to look at the world in general to know that the majority do not ascribe to the tenets of Jesus.

 

[zeker33:9]

Translations are not inspired, the original language is.

So I take it you've read the original manuscripts?

 

[k4c]

So I take it you've read the original manuscripts?

I have not read the original manuscripts but our Bible translations have enough truth in them to understand not only the will of God but also life itself.

What's important when studying the word of God is the Spirit of God (John 16:13) and never use verses to interpret the Bible, but rather, use the Bible to interpret the verses. Also, do your reseach and investigate, in other words, test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Your research will include historical research such as comparing pagan practices vs God's will, examining and studying words in their original language, reading your Bible line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little (Isaiah 8:9-10). After you have done all that you can do to find a particular truth than you will know the truth and have a sure foundation (1 John 3:18-21).

Truth does not come easy. It's hidden and sometimes perverted and twisted. Jesus says that if we CONTINUE in His word we will know the truth and the truth will make us free.

John 8:31-32 Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, you will come to know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Before I leave I want to share another example of a Bible translation error, which I think is funny. If you take your King James Bible tranlastion at full value without testing, as God says, you will probably find yourself trying to heal a sick handkerchief or apron.

KJV
Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Notice the comma is missing which now makes the Bible speak of sick handkerchiefs and aprons.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Can you share with us why you would be interested in the traditions established in other families and homes? Why would you care one way or another?

BFA

This is a good question and I would like to add my two cents, as a parent.

When you have children, this particular "holiday" gets crammed down their throats everywhere they go...to include school. The traditions of others *does* affect other people or there wouldn't be an issue. IOW, I wouldn't care at all about what people believe in, if they didn't try to instill those beliefs on my child without my consent.

We deal with this every year, and every single year someone asks my son what santa brought him for Christmas. And every single year my son responds with "Santa isn't real."

Amazingly, people get truly offended by his honest response, especially if their own children are somewhere within ear shot. So my motto...don't lie to my child about santa, and he won't tell yours the truth.

They can do all kinds of santa related activities at school, but they don't tell children about Jesus, it's illegal, right? So even though I hear it every year, that Jesus is the reason for the season, anyone with eyes and ears knows that simply is not true.

I didn't read through this whole thread, so I don't know if anyone answered with these verses as to the time of Christ's true birth, but here are some simple scriptures regarding that:

Luke 1:36 tells us that Mary became pregnant 6 months after Elizabeth. Luke 1:56 tells us Mary stayed with Elizabeth for 3 more months - putting Elizabeth to a full 9 months. But we find that Mary left her at this time. Why? Luke 2:41 tells us it was to attend Passover. When is Passover? SPRING. Which puts Christ's birth 6 months later. Late Sept or Oct.

Peace out.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Before I leave I want to share another example of a Bible translation error, which I think is funny. If you take your King James Bible tranlastion at full value without testing, as God says, you will probably find yourself trying to heal a sick handkerchief or apron.

KJV
Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Notice the comma is missing which now makes the Bible speak of sick handkerchiefs and aprons.

I've used that example before, it's a good one. It's not really a translation error, it's a grammatical error, and there are tons of them in the KJV. For example, Genesis 12:17:

And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.

Either we have someone named Sarai Abram, who has a wife, or there's a comma missing in there somewhere.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

This is a good question and I would like to add my two cents, as a parent.

When you have children, this particular "holiday" gets crammed down their throats everywhere they go...to include school. The traditions of others *does* affect other people or there wouldn't be an issue. IOW, I wouldn't care at all about what people believe in, if they didn't try to instill those beliefs on my child without my consent.

We deal with this every year, and every single year someone asks my son what santa brought him for Christmas. And every single year my son responds with "Santa isn't real."

Amazingly, people get truly offended by his honest response, especially if their own children are somewhere within ear shot. So my motto...don't lie to my child about santa, and he won't tell yours the truth.

They can do all kinds of santa related activities at school, but they don't tell children about Jesus, it's illegal, right? So even though I hear it every year, that Jesus is the reason for the season, anyone with eyes and ears knows that simply is not true.

I didn't read through this whole thread, so I don't know if anyone answered with these verses as to the time of Christ's true birth, but here are some simple scriptures regarding that:

Luke 1:36 tells us that Mary became pregnant 6 months after Elizabeth. Luke 1:56 tells us Mary stayed with Elizabeth for 3 more months - putting Elizabeth to a full 9 months. But we find that Mary left her at this time. Why? Luke 2:41 tells us it was to attend Passover. When is Passover? SPRING. Which puts Christ's birth 6 months later. Late Sept or Oct.

Peace out.

Thank you for your perspective from a parents point of view...

We just did a historical/Biblical study on santa claus and it is, without doubt, satan trying to impersonate God and to get little children to believe in and worship him before they can know God. Is it any wonder the youth of today have a hard time coming to the Lord when they have been taught that someone with God's attributes and character was a myth?

 

[k4c]

Thank you for your perspective from a parents point of view...

We just did a historical/Biblical study on santa claus and it is, without doubt, satan trying to impersonate God and to get little children to believe in and worship him before they can know God. Is it any wonder the youth of today have a hard time coming to the Lord when they have been taught that someone with God's attributes and character was a myth?

Satan is going about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Santa Claus is really Satan's claws.