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Hillsong Church member, 34, dies of Covid after publicly speaking out against vaccine (yahoo.com)

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by ArmenianJohn, Jul 25, 2021.

  1. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    Hillsong Church member, 34, dies of Covid after publicly speaking out against vaccine (yahoo.com)

    Amazing to me that people are willing to stick to their political beliefs and die rather than be vaccinated.

    In this case, this person claimed his faith in God was greater than intubation and then in the end decided to be intubated. I'm just amazed he thought intubation was a better option than the vaccine. And then he died from it.

    Ironically, all his advocating against the vaccine and then the way it all played out makes him a real-life cautionary tale that encourages vaccination.

    And amazing further that his church doesn't feel any responsibility to advocate a pro-life stance but instead feels it's a "personal decision" for people to choose anti-life choices.
     
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    News flash: in free societies, it IS a personal choice whether or not to be injected with something.
     
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  3. essentialsaltes

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    By the time you're in the hospital, the vaccine is no use. So that option was no longer available. But yes, he rode his initial position unswervingly toward his own death as some sort of demonstration of his unswerving faith.
     
  4. ArmenianJohn

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    Not sure if this article stated it but along the way he did say that even "when" he made it through he would not get the vaccine afterwards nor would he change his mind about them.

    As is the case with most non-vaccinated, however, he never got a chance to bear that out.
     
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    This makes him 1 of 7,000~ out of 44,000,000 people in the entire country to have died of COVID-19 in the 30-39 age bracket. 0.016% of the 30-39 age bracket has died of COVID-19 in the US.

    COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. July 2021 | Statista

    Scary headline, though; and well planned, showing those Christians that they will absolutely die if they don't inject.
     
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    What's that supposed to mean? Most don't die. Most don't hardly know they've come down ill.
     
  7. ArmenianJohn

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    It's also a business decision whether a company wants to do business with infected employees/customers.

    Let's see how many anti-vaxxers stick to their guns once they realize their employers and the places they like to patronize don't want them around without proof of vaccination.

    I'm looking forward to the widespread implementation of vaccine passports and apps and papers.
     
  8. Space Monkey

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    Flu Season is defined by the CDC as being fall and winter. Flu kills 2,500~ people in the 18-49 age bracket during flu season, a span of a few months. COVID-19 has killed 7,000~ 30-39 year old people in the US in nearly 2 years.

    Flu deaths in U.S. by age | Statista

    I think I'll have all the injections. :rolleyes:
     
  9. ArmenianJohn

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    I realize his death and the deaths of the others fall into your range of acceptable deaths.

    To me, being pro-life, these deaths are not acceptable.
     
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    Pro-life to the point I'm sure you loved the 5 doctors holding the Texas man down and injecting him. I'm glad that in this country your ideal world will not come to pass.
     
  11. ArmenianJohn

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    That's a funny story, but it's just a story. Which conspiracy theory does that particular story fall under?
     
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    The vast majority of people who are skeptical of this vaccine are not anti vaccination. The vast majority of people who are against this vaccine are up to date with their vaccinations that have been well tested over decades, to defeat illnesses that have been around for centuries and with no sketchy origins.

    Get this injection and show proof or you can't buy, sell, or trade? Any Christian should know this isn't good... Well, perhaps it is, for the Christian.
     
  13. dzheremi

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    I saw a different website's reporting of this same story the other day. It's very sad to see this sort of thing play out, because it didn't have to be this way. I fear that there's going to be a lot more cases like this young man's in the coming days, as the way this very thread is shaping up shows us that plenty of people will take the risk of dying unnecessarily if it means that they can feel themselves to have been right in the end.

    And by "the end", I mean when they die of Covid-19, as this man did. Because that's what being 'anti-vax' leads to.
     
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    Apparently he had a death wish and his wish was granted
     
  15. ForHimbyHim

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    I am vaccinated and have vaccinated my kids on time every time, I am not a random antivaxxer, but I do hold reservations about the mRNA vaccines.

    I also hold reservations about how vaccines have been politicised. Eg how Russian and Chinese vaccines were viewed in comparison to American and British. We know there have been long standing political divisions and I see how those are still being held up even in this vaccine situation.

    To be honest that makes me weary.

    If I was to get one, it will probably be the Chinese one as it used old tried and tested ways, which my children nor I have ever reacted to.

    Yes there are strange things that happen, but even this article is partisan. There are people who have been vaccinated and died from covid. Why do they not talk about those too. This article was put to make people come to the conclusion that, 'oh, these non vaccinated cooks are dying.' but provax people are also dying. Why does yahoo not report on that too.

    Anyway.
     
  16. ArmenianJohn

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    Cool story, but the vast majority of people who are anti-vaccination are actually anti-vaccination. That's what the term actually means.

    Oh, so it's not up to each business who they can buy, sell, or trade with??? So you're for much stronger government controls on businesses? Wow, OK. I didn't realize you had such a socialist view on economics.

    What, from a Christian's perspective, is not good about letting businesses choose who to do business with?

    I agree, that it is good for the Christian to allow for freedoms to businesses. It sounds like you want to force businesses to do business even when it's against their own interest. So if someone wants to go to KFC and eath chicken wearing nothing but a diaper on the counter and throw the bones in with the freshly cooked chicken that's being sold to others, you believe that the government should force KFC to do business with that person, for some reason known only to yourself... What's "Christian" about that?
     
  17. dzheremi

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    So you'd trust the vaccines more if the strain of virus they were made to combat were not novel?

    That makes no sense. It's precisely because it is novel that we're in the situation that we're in! We don't really need vaccines against the other coronaviruses that cause 10-15% of common colds, since the forms of illness that these strains cause are comparatively usually quite benign. The virus that causes the respiratory illness we've seen under the name Covid-19 is something else, in terms of the severity of illness that it can cause. That's why it is designated a form of SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome).
     
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  18. ArmenianJohn

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    What are those reservations?

    So you don't trust the vaccine because it has been politicized? I don't see how that's rational. Everything is and has been politicized to some extent and we till accept many things in spite of that.

    I don't know the Chinese vaccine but I know the Russian vaccine is what's provided in Armenia and it's showing to be less effective than the American vaccines (which is why any of my relatives who have been able to come to the US have chosen to get vaccinated here instead). But how is that "politicized"???

    I think you mean wary, but I don't know, perhaps you do mean weary, in which case I have to wonder if your weariness is making you wary or not.

    Do you have a source for "the Chinese one" having used "old tried and test ways"?

    There are people who receive treatment for other illnesses and die anyway. Even people who have been vaccinated for HPV can still get cancer from that virus.

    So, since there are no perfect vaccines, medicines, treatments, etc. then it's just foolish to seek medical attention for anything, right? It seems that the logic you're presenting here is that since nothing's perfect why bother with any of the options - just risk whatever the disease does to you instead, it's the same risk.

    I don't know where it mentions cooks - as far as I can see his vocation (or anyone's) is not presented. But this article doesn't present a viewpoint, it's just the facts of the story.

    But it's interesting that your interpretation of it is that "these non-vaccinated [peope] are dying" just based on the facts of the story. It indicates to me that you know what's going on with the vaccinations and the people who take them vs. the people who reject them.

    As for why doesn't yahoo report on the nonvacx people who are dying, they do. Those are different stories. Why doesn't yahoo report on the people who go to the hospital for treatment for heart attacks, kidney failure, cancer, gunshot wounds, injuries from car accidents, being bitten by animals, etc. etc. and even though they got medical attention they die anyway??? Well, they do report on those when there's a story on it.

    The real question is why do you or anyone think that the fact that medical treatment of any sort is worthless if it's not 100% effective, especially since you already (presumably) know that there is no medical treatment that is actually 100% effective??? How does that make sense? Does that mean you go don't get medical treatment for anything ever at all??

    You said earlier you get your kids vaccinated. Are those vaccines 100% safe and effective?? If so, which ones are they, because I have never heard of a vaccine that's 100% safe and effective, so what are these vaccines?

    And if you got them vaccines that are not 100% safe and effective then why do you risk their safety with those and not with the Covid vaccines?? The logic doesn't follow.
     
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    God bless him and may he rest in peace.

    I applaud him for his faith and trust in God. This, is truly lacking today. Both in Christian and non Christian circles.
     
  20. dzheremi

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    I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but I don't see any great faith evidenced by turning one's back on the advice of medical professionals who are trying to help people be informed as to the best practices to observe concerning the virus (hand-washing, social distancing, masking, etc.) in favor of...I don't know what...thinking that God will grant you immunity because you believe in Him? Or whatever this man's plan was that made him so sure he could speak out against the vaccines and still be fine when he himself contracted the virus and ended up in the hospital.

    You shall not tempt the Lord your God, remember?
     
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