Hillary: "Businesses don't create jobs" (Haven't we heard this before?)

[keith99]

Thank you. Saved me from needlessly irritating additional billions of electrons.

That just proves some people will say anything to defend stupidity.

FYI, government doesn't create jobs. Government so-called "job creation programs" do nothing other than benefit the politicians supporting them.

Oh government creates lots of jobs. Many regulations require compliance and that means people to do the work.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Oh government creates lots of jobs. Many regulations require compliance and that means people to do the work.

Except those regulations tend to destroy more jobs than the government creates.

 

[keith99]

Except those regulations tend to destroy more jobs than the government creates.

I rather doubt that. But it does mean increased costs for goods and services.

 

[Smidlee]

For my business, the demand most assuredly preceded my decision to meet it with my services and products. But that's just me I suppose.....

Hey, could you elaborate on what you said about creating delivery methods?

Kind of dovetails with my previous question about Contract enforcement...

How do I create a delivery method and enforce a contract in a truly "Free Market"?

The thing that increases the demand for your product is the fact there are other business creating jobs so people can make money which in turn increase the demand of your product which in turn you have to hire more people which means more people will get a pay check then turn away and buy someone's else product which increase demands for their product which have to hire more people who have more money which may increase the demand of your product again which cause to to hire even more people , etc.

I think you get the picture.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

Oh government creates lots of jobs. Many regulations require compliance and that means people to do the work.

Busy work. Useless work. Work that would be better left uncreated, giving all those paper-pushers in Washington a chance to go out and discover what the real world is like.

 

[mindlight]

Hm. I swear I've heard this before ... Where was it ...?

Obama: "You didn't build that"

Oh, yeah! That's it!

It is clearly political positioning designed to show her Liberal Progressive pro Equality credentials moving into the presidential race. Attack the rich to get the votes of the poor.

Her perception is that if she can paint the Republicans as the party of the greedy 1% who take all but give nothing she will win the votes of the 99% who will elect her.

Obamas and Clintons sentiment here is not so much that individual business initiative is futile but rather that the success that is often attributed to exceptional business men is actually something that had broader societal roots and that therefore the business men owe a debt of gratitude to the rest of society which they must pay as taxes. There is of course some truth in this statement and the Republicans cannot afford to be ignorant of its vote winning potential.

Personally I think that exceptional individuals do make a difference and the overflow of their initiative does trickle down to society. The Democrats are a little naïve on this. But the balance in the USA has swung so far to respecting this exceptionalism and so far away from the societal benefits that also helped these people that the Democrats have a case here. Opposing Clinton on taxes on rich people will not win the election for the Republicans. Painting themselves as the party who understands how an economy really works will however.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Thank you. Saved me from needlessly irritating additional billions of electrons.

Welcome. Seemed like a sanity check was in order...

 

[Billnew]

Yes I could, but I'm in business to make money and stay in business. And in my business, It's expand or die.



You don't have to apologize. But the fact remains I would NOT create the job if I didn't have a demand to fill.

1.no. You can decide the demand is temporary and you hold steady. Not risking capital. Deciding right or wrong, to hold steady is an option. Many a business has over-stepped demand and paid heavily.

2. You, the business, still create the job. Demand makes the outlook positive, but you are in control of your company.

Clinton has no idea of what she speaks.
The economy drives business, but business still drives employment. If the economy is risky, even if demand is there, business might decide not to risk expansion.
So businesses create jobs, influenced by demand. Demand does not create jobs.
Government can create jobs, but they have no goal of profitability. They don't have to produce anything, they are limited only by the representitives drive to push more spending or debt onto the people.

Our current leaders think if they push enough money into a (green) business it will flourish. But the economy and demand won't be influenced by false stimulous. The business has to be profitable to survive. Investment into questionable tech and unreliable science is not common outside of government.

Small buisiness and corp. create jobs when they see a viable demand that will likely continue long enough to make investment worth the risk.
Much like Christmas hiring, if a business sees a limited demand, they will hire temp or short term employees to get them through the demand period then dump them when the rush is over.

Government can control job creation by making more costly to hire a new person(wages and benefits), make it more costly to create the same product (tax increases, enviromental requirements, government accounting requirements,)
Government can encourage job creation by lowering taxes and burdens on the job creator. Many states have encouraged job growth by lowering taxes and reducing government interference.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Could the demand create the job without someone like you that owns a business? The demand causes you to create the job, the job is created by the business not by the demand even if it is the demand that causes the business to want to create the job. Ignorance does not create a position in education, a government creates that position to deal with the ignorance( at least that is how it is supposed to work) and demand does not create a job, a business creates that job to deal with the demand..

Further a good business will create demand. The Iphone was not in demand before it was created along with the jobs that were created to make it.

The client creates the 'job'. The business provides workers to do the 'job' that the client creates. It is the client who creates the job and pays the business. The business then pays their workers with the money paid to them by the client. Businesses do jobs, they don't create jobs.

Many up-and-running, fully staffed and equipped businesses are one contract away from going under.

Regarding job creation through marketing (created demand) there are warehouses full of products that businesses failed to create a demand for. Many businesses, and products, fail because demand cannot be generated.

Iphones and other such electronics are just fancy toys that lose their luster quickly, and like toys new ones must be constantly produced to hold the interest of the 'kids' that buy them.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

The client creates the 'job'.

Absurd effort to defend Hillary's senseless remarks noted.

I'd suggest a repeat of Economics 101.

 

[jgarden]

Hillary: "Businesses don't create jobs" (Haven't we heard this before?)

The good news is that American business does create jobs.

The bad news is that these jobs haven't been creating in America!

 

[Type53]

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[OldWiseGuy]

Absurd effort to defend Hillary's senseless remarks noted

My comments were meant to educate, not support anyone.

I'd suggest a repeat of Economics 101.

Economics is supply and demand, not supply then demand.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[OldWiseGuy]

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[ThisBrotherOfHis]

Hasn't help our vaunted economists, how would it help me.

Good point. Retract suggestion.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Good point. Retract suggestion.

Don't need the course. I understand the fundamentals.