Hillary: "Businesses don't create jobs" (Haven't we heard this before?)

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

Hillary Clinton: Corporations and businesses don’t create jobs

At a Democratic rally Friday in Massachusetts, Hillary Clinton’s attempt to attack “trickle-down economics,” resulted in a spectacularly odd statement, according to The Washington Free Beacon. Clinton defended raising the minimum wage saying “Don’t let anybody tell you that raising the minimum wage will kill jobs, they always say that.”

She went on to state that businesses and corporations are not the job creators of America. “Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs,” the former Secretary of State said.

Clinton’s comment will likely be used frequently to attack her as another big-government Democrat. She is seen by many as already running for president in 2016.

Hm. I swear I've heard this before ... Where was it ...?

Obama: "You didn't build that"

Oh, yeah! That's it!

 

[PsychoSarah]

You'd think politicians would review their words more carefully. Then again, it is far from the worst thing that has been said.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

You'd think politicians would review their words more carefully. Then again, it is far from the worst thing that has been said.

That depends. Most independents and certainly most Republicans are heavily in favor of a free-market economy. Do you think they would vote for someone this badly informed?

The reality is, she most likely doesn't believe this statement anyway. Bill certainly doesn't. So the question then becomes, "Why say it at all?"

 

[PsychoSarah]

That depends. Most independents and certainly most Republicans are heavily in favor of a free-market economy. Do you think they would vote for someone this badly informed?

The reality is, she most likely doesn't believe this statement anyway. Bill certainly doesn't. So the question then becomes, "Why say it at all?"

Because politicians are fallible beings just like the rest of us. Except the successful ones tend to be the biggest liars and butt kissers

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

...the successful ones tend to be the biggest liars and butt kissers

And that pretty much answers my last question.

 

[USCGrad90]

I find it ironic that a major push for the Democrats is raising the minimum wage to $10.10, yet they still post jobs below that rate. If they believe that this truly is the lowest wage to be paid, why are there still any jobs below that rate?

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[parousia70]

Most independents and certainly most Republicans are heavily in favor of a free-market economy.

How would one enforce the terms a business contract in a truly "free market"?

Threats of Violence?

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

How would one enforce the terms a business contract in a truly "free market"?

Threats of Violence?

Uh ... relevance?

If you don't understand the thread, just read, please. Don't post.

 

[parousia70]

Hm. I swear I've heard this before ... Where was it ...?

Obama: "You didn't build that"

Oh, yeah! That's it!

I own a business and we are actively hiring because we have more work than we have people to do the jobs.

I can assure you I would not "creating" these jobs if I had no demand for our services.

The demand is the fuel that ignites job creation.

 

[parousia70]

Uh ... relevance?

If you don't understand the thread, just read, please. Don't post.

You brought up your support of a Free Market.
I'm merely asking you to elaborate on how you would enforce a contract in a truly free market?

Violence? Extortion? How?

 

[grasping the after wind]

I own a business and we are actively hiring because we have more work than we have people to do the jobs.

I can assure you I would not "creating" these jobs if I had no demand for our services.

The demand is the fuel that ignites job creation.

Could the demand create the job without someone like you that owns a business? The demand causes you to create the job, the job is created by the business not by the demand even if it is the demand that causes the business to want to create the job. Ignorance does not create a position in education, a government creates that position to deal with the ignorance( at least that is how it is supposed to work) and demand does not create a job, a business creates that job to deal with the demand..

Further a good business will create demand. The Iphone was not in demand before it was created along with the jobs that were created to make it.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

I own a business and we are actively hiring because we have more work than we have people to do the jobs.

I can assure you I would not "creating" these jobs if I had no demand for our services.

The demand is the fuel that ignites job creation.

If you didn't have a product or service, or your product or service was not marketable, would the "demand" be driving your business to hire more workers? You could also, despite the successful reception in the community of your product or service, choose not to expand. Sorry, but it is you creating the jobs. The demand for your product or service enable you to create a job opening, but it is you who actually do so. Your product or service does not. Your customers do not. It is solely up to you.

 

[parousia70]

If you didn't have a product or service, or your product or service was not marketable, would the "demand" be driving your business to hire more workers?

If I had no product or service to offer, I wouldn't have a business in the first place now would i?

You could also, despite the successful reception in the community of your product or service, choose not to expand.

Yes I could, but I'm in business to make money and stay in business. And in my business, It's expand or die.

Sorry, but it is you creating the jobs.

You don't have to apologize. But the fact remains I would NOT create the job if I didn't have a demand to fill.

The demand for your product or service enable you to create a job opening, but it is you who actually do so.

I'm glad you recognize the symbiosis.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

If I had no product or service to offer, I wouldn't have a business in the first place now would i?

My point exactly. Henry Ford didn't have a business, or at least he didn't have one he could market to the common man until he made his innovations in production, did he? He could have built cars like everyone else. He chose to open up the market, and in doing so created jobs.

Bill Gates had no business to market to the general public until he developed the affordable, practical and user-friendly software that has become the basis for the personal computer. He could have developed software for business and the Pentagon, but he chose to open up the market. In doing so created jobs.

You could still be working for someone else, right? Or you could decide the risk was too great to invest in jobs, brick-and-mortar, production lines, etc., and not meet the demand. The demand will be met by someone. But you don't have a business until you create the products and services that meet an existing demand or create a new demand.

Yes I could, but I'm in business to make money and stay in business. It's expand or die.

Meaning, my friend, you choose to create the jobs. The market dictates whether your are able to do so or not, but it ultimately your decision.

You don't have to apologize. But the fact remains I would NOT create the job if I didn't have a demand to fill.

But again, you don't have to. You could do like Henry and Bill -- market to the existing customers. Or you can market to different customers, different markets, and in doing so it you who create the jobs, not your demand.

For instance, you could expand to another city right now. Is there a demand there? Maybe, but it is probably being met by other firms. Perhaps you believe you can meet that demand better and less expensively than they do. You have no demand there yet, but if you expand and create jobs in that city to provide your service or product, you will have a demand. You have to have the means to provide the service or product first, however, and that means you have to create jobs.

I'm glad you recognize the symbiosis.

I have all along. I'm not sure you see that the decision to do business, create jobs, create delivery methods, create product, is the first necessity. The demand isn't on you until you decide to provide the service or product.

 

[parousia70]

I'm not sure you see that the decision to do business, create jobs, create delivery methods, create product, is the first necessity. The demand isn't on you until you decide to provide the service or product.

For my business, the demand most assuredly preceded my decision to meet it with my services and products. But that's just me I suppose.....

Hey, could you elaborate on what you said about creating delivery methods?

Kind of dovetails with my previous question about Contract enforcement...

How do I create a delivery method and enforce a contract in a truly "Free Market"?

 

[BigDaddy4]

You brought up your support of a Free Market.
I'm merely asking you to elaborate on how you would enforce a contract in a truly free market?

Violence? Extortion? How?

What is your definition of a free market that you are basing these absurd questions on?

 

[keith99]

If Hillary meant that business does not create jobs just for the sake of creating jobs she was right.

That is something government does and then taxes us to pay for.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

What is your definition of a free market that you are basing these absurd questions on?

Thank you. Saved me from needlessly irritating additional billions of electrons.

If Hillary meant that business does not create jobs just for the sake of creating jobs she was right.

That is something government does and then taxes us to pay for.

That just proves some people will say anything to defend stupidity.

FYI, government doesn't create jobs. Government so-called "job creation programs" do nothing other than benefit the politicians supporting them.

 

[Michael]

“Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs,” Clinton said.

Open mouth. Insert foot. Close mouth. Politicians are idiots.

 

[zelosravioli]

... she most likely doesn't believe this statement anyway. Bill certainly doesn't. So the question then becomes, "Why say it at all?"

Because it buys votes, with other peoples money. It is sinister that one can get themselves into an office by promising to give people money, rather than freedom, in exchange for their vote. Very few, if any, of these Utopian Politicians know how or what it costs to hire, pay, create and keep a real business going.