Hi there! I'm not sure how I got here, but...

[steppres]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on a religious forum. I'm 27, and live in Australia, near Sydney. I don't follow any religion, and I do not affiliate myself with any relgious organisation. It's funny how I managed to find myself at this forum. Here's the story.

I was surfing around on youtube wasting some time when I came across this video.

Prove that Jesus is imaginary in less than 5 minutes

Basically, it's a video that is supposed to prove that Jesus doesn't exist, using (strangely enough), passages from the Christian bible to make it's point. Even as a non-Christian, I recognise that it's argument is flawed. I've never met a Christian who has claimed that Jesus should appear to them at a whim, and it seems to be grappling with the semantics of the Bible, not the message.

After I watched it, I couldn't get it out of my head. Why was this non-Christian trying to make SUCH a point out of this? Or is it more than that? Now, as I said, I don't follow a religion, and I have no idea whether Jesus exists or not, but it still struck me as strange that a non-Christian would take the time and energy to make a video to prove that Jesus doesn't exist. Why would a non-Christian care about that? Why would they go on such a crusade to debunk something that doesn't affect them personally Have any Christians here had any experiences with people of this mindset?

I'd really love some sensible dialogue on this.

EDIT:
I just realised that I may be treading on shaky grounds with this topic, but I can assure you, I'm not here with any underlying anti-Christian agenda. Although I'm not Christian, I realise that this is a forum FOR Christians, and I will do my best to ensure that I don't say anything that is offensive or disrespectful to your faith (please let me know if I do). I am here with an open-minded approach. I'm not interested in changing anyones views, beliefs or convictions. Thank you.

 

[APY]

Welcome to the forums. Well I had a forum where I tryed to witness and people were saying somthing like "Be qiuet you noob!!!! I herd this when I was four and I was tierd of it then!!!! I do not want to here it. I hate you people witnessing!!!" So I would guess that they have something against Christians, or against Christ, or God. So they try a smeer campaign against one or several or all of them. I hope you injoy these forums.





- APY <><

 

[heatherq17]

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[joyouspirit]

Welcome to the forums! You would get a better discussion on this if you post it in the other boards. This is just the newbie intros. Anyway, have a great time here! God bless!!!

 

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[ForeverInHisArms]

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[psalms 91]

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[jess91877]

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[JPPT1974]

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[Shubunkin]

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[hopperace]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on a religious forum. I'm 27, and live in Australia, near Sydney. I don't follow any religion, and I do not affiliate myself with any relgious organisation. It's funny how I managed to find myself at this forum. Here's the story.

I was surfing around on youtube wasting some time when I came across this video.

Prove that Jesus is imaginary in less than 5 minutes

Basically, it's a video that is supposed to prove that Jesus doesn't exist, using (strangely enough), passages from the Christian bible to make it's point. Even as a non-Christian, I recognise that it's argument is flawed. I've never met a Christian who has claimed that Jesus should appear to them at a whim, and it seems to be grappling with the semantics of the Bible, not the message.

After I watched it, I couldn't get it out of my head. Why was this non-Christian trying to make SUCH a point out of this? Or is it more than that? Now, as I said, I don't follow a religion, and I have no idea whether Jesus exists or not, but it still struck me as strange that a non-Christian would take the time and energy to make a video to prove that Jesus doesn't exist. Why would a non-Christian care about that? Why would they go on such a crusade to debunk something that doesn't affect them personally Have any Christians here had any experiences with people of this mindset?

I'd really love some sensible dialogue on this.

EDIT:
I just realised that I may be treading on shaky grounds with this topic, but I can assure you, I'm not here with any underlying anti-Christian agenda. Although I'm not Christian, I realise that this is a forum FOR Christians, and I will do my best to ensure that I don't say anything that is offensive or disrespectful to your faith (please let me know if I do). I am here with an open-minded approach. I'm not interested in changing anyones views, beliefs or convictions. Thank you.

Welcome, steppres, to Christian Forums, the little project of Dr. Erwin Loh that has grown into quite a fascinating and large community. Congratulations on making it this far. Perhaps you’ve been lurking for a while or have been here before and have already figured out a bit here and there - like what all those buttons do on the navigation bar at the top, and which particularly ‘dangerous’ forums always garner so much attention and ‘trouble’ (i.e. heavy moderation and tempestuous debates) and may require a 100-post-count before your being allowed to post there.

Maybe you’re an old-hand at Internet discussion boards, but in case you’re somewhat overwhelmed, now might be a good time to take a peek here: FAQ. These FAQs will explain a lot (though not all) of the somewhat confusing things in the eye-feast of overwhelming CF thingies. You probably read the Terms of Service you agreed to when joining, but now might also be a good time to attempt to read the rules listed here: Rules. I know they’re long and drawn out, may be a bit confusing and subject to various interpretations, but it may help make your journey smoother to familiarize yourself with them. CF is a huge place and try as we may to be a gentle bunch, I’ve noticed that sometimes it doesn’t take much for trouble to put a ‘kick me’ sign on one’s back, and no one wants to see that for people of good intent.

I know it might take most of your day, week, month, or year(s) to become thoroughly familiar with everything; but you should at the very least skim the FAQ outline and be aware of certain limitations like where you can talk about what (especially in the “Christian Only” forums when compared with those “Open to all members”, or those otherwise specifically designated as “open”); when and how you can post pictures/images or post in certain restricted forums; when and where to post e-mail or other links; those ever important faith icons (of which you’ve already had to choose, and will need assistance to change, if desired); how to chunk up on ‘blessings’ (sort of our CF currency) for pets, CF characters and ‘armor’, or games, quizzes, and such; the Private Message (PM) system that might pop up on your screen any moment now; what to do with a rogue member or even moderator (eek!); what some of the pesky abbreviations mean that you’re sure to come across (like OP, OSAS, IMHO, TTYL, DTTBOWTBW (don’t throw the baby out with the bath water)), etc.

You’ll notice we have an Intro Sticky by the lovely AngelAmidala: http://www.christianforums.com/t1110956-please-read-the-rules-before-posting-thanks.html, that most forums have other ‘Sticky’ introductions that can often be important to read before posting in that forum, and that some of the more popular threads have little numbers beside them (like “Welcome to all new members (4)”) which means they’ve been continued in further incarnations after reaching a 1000 post limit for each thread.

Here are just a few forums that might be helpful in starting to explore the place. Just click on the links and find a place you like:

CF Announcements (what’s going on around here, what’s not working and why)
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Create/Develop a homepage: http://www.christianforums.com/f651-...iscussion.html

I don’t mean to take up all of the space in your very own Intro thread, so have a happy journey here at CF, and here

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Be blessed and best wishes,

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[mommavelvet]

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[psalms 91]

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[Hishandmaiden]

Welcome to CF! It is not surprizing that non-christian may want to spend a large effort to get rid of christian beliefs. Some non-christians may not be that tolerant of the christian religion, and also, they may feel uncomfortable with the idea of a heaven and a hell and of christian belief. They may come from a former christian background and cannot come out of their own conscience that is much founded on a christian belief. Some non-christians just simply hate christians because they had unpleasant beliefs with christian believers.

There are some historical evidences that Jesus really exists in this world. Some of these historical evidences are outside of the bible. If you are interested to know and hear more about them, you are free to PM me. I do not check my christian forum account, often. Only about once a week, so leave me a mean in which I can contact you when you do PM me. Or check your PM for reply somewhere about 8 or 9 days after you see this message of mine, before you log on here, again.

My knowledge is not very perfect, but maybe they can point you to doing some researches, yourself? God bless and welcome to CF.

 

[bfly]

The soul hardly ever realizes it, but whether he is a believer or not, his loneliness is realy a homesickness for God. -Hubert van Zeller

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May the Grace and Mercy of our,
Lord, Jesus Christ
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[Angeldove97]

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[JustAVessel]

Welcome to CF!

To answer your original question...
There are a lot of different reasons why a non-Christian would spend so much time trying to prove that Jesus doesn't exist. The main reason can be found in the Bible, if you don't mind me referencing the Bible. Basically, all people have a basic knowledge of God and there is also evidence of Him in nature. This knowledge, though, can and has been suppressed. (Romans 1:18-20) It still exists, though, and when confronted with Christianity, many do not understand (John 1:5) and feel the need to justify their beliefs and their ways of life. People will go to great lengths to do this.

Lee Strobel was one such person. He was a journalist who was sick and tired with Christians believing a religion he felt had no foundation, so he researched everything he could about Christianity to see if he could prove it wrong once and for all. However, in his research, he found Christianity to be true, and he eventually became a Christian. I would highly recommend reading The Case for Christ, The Case for Faith, or The Case for a Creator. All three books are by him and can be easily found.