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That's a relief, I'm not the only one who thinks this way.If I had just wanted the almighty dolla I guarantee everyone that I knew exactly where that dollar was located. It was down the quad over in the school of business administration.
Of course that would have been the death of my spirit. I have a serious aversion to doing something just for some economic return. In fact, it is highly likely I couldn't perform just for money.
Maybe he's a business man lolI would dearly love to know what Dad's field of specialization is. I have no doubt he does something. I would think if he were a stronger individual, one with nothing to hide, he'd be open to telling us what his field of expertise is so that we might treat it as he treats others' fields.
I'm not asking for specifics. Just general field of endeavor.
Great post and I share your enthusiasm. I look at my lab managers (who make major bucks) at work, sitting at their desks all day, only stepping into the lab to see what's up and I don't know if I could do it. I'd miss the bench.The ironic thing is that as a degreed scientist I don't make as much as people with less education and training around me.
Part of that is my issue, I do science because I love science. I honestly love getting up on Monday morning and going into the lab.
Do I wish I were paid more? Sure! That's human. Did I go into science because I wanted to make a living. Yes. Did I go into it just because it was a way to make a buck?
Nope.
I once had a great undergrad student in one of my geology classes I was teaching. He was really good and as such I pointed out he might consider majoring in geology or science. He said he would love to, but his dad was paying for college so he was forced to take a business degree.
If I had just wanted the almighty dolla I guarantee everyone that I knew exactly where that dollar was located. It was down the quad over in the school of business administration.
Of course that would have been the death of my spirit. I have a serious aversion to doing something just for some economic return. In fact, it is highly likely I couldn't perform just for money.
So, while I'm as prone to kvetch about my salary, I will never go get an MBA, and I have already plighted my troth on the "Technical Development Career Path" at my job. I've signed the papers and committed myself to less money than I could make. And I work for a Fortune 100 company. I work in a division of this company that makes a material that, I'm willing to guess, just about everyone on this board has come in contact with.
But I'll never see that scratch.
But every Monday morning I'm up at 5:00 and out the door to voluntarily do a 10-11 hour day poring over statistics and chemical formulae.
That, to a great extent is reward enough. It pretty much has to be.
Great post and I share your enthusiasm. I look at my lab managers (who make major bucks) at work, sitting at their desks all day, only stepping into the lab to see what's up and I don't know if I could do it. I'd miss the bench.
That's a relief, I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
Agreed, some of the best people I've known are custodians. But, I may be biased as I've worked side by side with them. Hey, I've got to make money somehow while I'm in college.Frankly I'd respect Dad or others of his like if they were literally a janitor or an accountant. So long as he bothered to respect others' and their work.
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Agreed, some of the best people I've known are custodians. But, I may be biased as I've worked side by side with them. Hey, I've got to make money somehow while I'm in college.
Everyone here has started at the bottom of something. No jobs are better than others, no lives are less than others.
You know, Creationists and their co-religionists who would denigrate science, whenever I read your posts and I see you sitting in the cheap seats lobbing attacks on science you have never studied it makes me proud.
Proud of the November I spent in the cold midwest without electricity because the research grant I was counting on didn't come through so I had my electricity shut off for a couple weeks. Yet I still made it into the research lab every day, after showering in cold water in the dark.
I'm proud of the times when I worried obsessively over being evicted because I couldn't pay my rent on time because I was making a pittance while I held down two "jobs"; one as a research student, and one teaching intro geology to the mewling spawn of people like you.
I'm proud of the time when I ate nothing but ramen for months on end so I could afford the coal petrology textbook.
I'm proud of foregoing new shoes and walked holes in the bottom of my tennis shoes, so I could afford a new calculator so I could complete my Physical Chemistry class. (To be honest, those were my "penitent shoes" and after a while I wore them more for fun than necessity.)
I'm proud of the times I crawled into the lab to do my experiments in silence while feeling sick as a dog from the stomach flu.
I'm proud of the years I spent making just about minimum wage so I could hone my research skills and learn just a little more.
I'm proud of the five years I spent as a postdoc. Part of that time enduring life as little more than a better paid grad student.
I'm proud of the fact that I put in more effort into college than most of you did in elementary, junior high and high school. Oh yeah, and I also did all those educational things you did, but I went beyond.
Sacrifice? Yes. That's why I wouldn't go up to John McCain and tell him if he were a better pilot maybe he could raise his arms over his head today.
But the fine "Christian Creationists" and the fine "Christians" who would tell us how science should be done without bothering to get the requisite education, just tend to annoy.
Remember, my friends, you may think we just woke up one day with all these college degrees. Or that someone just "gave" them to us. But that is your ignorance.
Your commentary from the "cheap seats" and your cat-calls at the players on the field don't help the game. The professionals would be glad to have your input. But you have to approach it with the respect due to all of us on here who have done significant work to get our degrees and who spend our lives in pursuit of science.
I'd personally be glad to discuss science with anyone (and I have proven time and again that I will), but what I will not do is endure the constant intimations that scientists are simply "wrong" from people who get their "science" from a cursory examination of biased resources and some personal hubris that makes them think they are just as capable as someone who has given the time and effort we scientists have.
My graduate degrees are in law, economics, and finance, not in science. My specialty is in applying critical thinking skills to scientific ideas, and if I think they pass muster, I build a business plan off the idea and raise money in the capital markets to hire scientists, conduct research, and hopefully make lots of money.
So this poor guy has and will be wasting years of his life on an idea that has no economic merit.
I know another post-doc who's spent the last six months of his life working in a lab that's trying to genetically manipulate algae to make hydrogen for future use in hydrogen-powered cars. However, hydrogen highly pressurized to 250 atmospheres has a volumetric energy density is only 7.2% of that of biodiesel, so hydrogen will never become a viable alternative source of fuel in autos.
Everyone in that lab is wasting their time.
As intelligent and highly educated as these post-docs are, they don't have the critical thinking skills to analyze
Maybe they're comfortable earning a modest salary doing research for the sake of research, but I want my efforts to have a huge, enduring, and positive impact on the world.
Evolution is just the same thing. When you go back to first principles and apply thermodynamics, energy efficiency, probability & statistics, and many other basic principles to evolution, it simply doesn't pass muster.
People tend to get so myopically focused on their narrow specialty that they lose focus on the big picture.
I've read a great many scientific articles written by scientists in which they collect great data, but fail to accurately interpret the data because they apply the wrong schema (evolution) to explain the data's origin.
Applying YEC often brings that same data into beautiful and elegant resolution.
I definitely respect your dedication to your science, including going hungry and all that, but I can't help but wonder if there's a better course for your life.
Only God can help you follow the BEST POSSIBLE alternative future for your life.
If you have life, it will evolve. If evolution violates first principles in thermodynamics then so does life. Explain what specific mechanism of evolution violates these principles.Evolution is just the same thing. When you go back to first principles and apply thermodynamics, energy efficiency, probability & statistics, and many other basic principles to evolution, it simply doesn't pass muster.
People tend to get so myopically focused on their narrow specialty that they lose focus on the big picture. I've read a great many scientific articles written by scientists in which they collect great data, but fail to accurately interpret the data because they apply the wrong schema (evolution) to explain the data's origin. Applying YEC often brings that same data into beautiful and elegant resolution.
Perhaps. But this is the classic battle in industry. We are asked to innovate for the bottom line. I just read about the scientist at Kodak who invented the first digital camera in the 1970's. It was about the size of a toaster and kodak told him it was nice but not interested.
Funny thing how close Kodak recently came to evaporation because they kept their eye on film and dropped the ball in digital imaging. If they had actually tracked this next-to-useless invention, they'd be the top dog in digital imaging today. As it stands now, if they are lucky they will be able to get their new printer technology out and remain a player. But they ran up so close to the same cliff that Polaroid fell off of that it makes you wonder how "far sighted" business people are when it comes to technology.
Don't get me wrong. I understand the importance of making a profit. It's what keeps me employed. But sadly too many businessmen in the boardroom and we lose the "Bell Labs" who will provide the breakthroughs that are useless today but might lead to something incredible 10 or 20 years down the road. How long was it before someone made use of transistors after they were invented by Shockley, Bardeen and Brattain?
I'm glad you posted in this thread. Given the conversation with dad earlier, this is uncanny timing. One YEC to another.My graduate degrees are in law, economics, and finance, not in science. My specialty is in applying critical thinking skills to scientific ideas, and if I think they pass muster, I build a business plan off the idea and raise money in the capital markets to hire scientists, conduct research, and hopefully make lots of money.
Explain how applying YEC to biology brings genetic, biochemical, developmental, anatomical data into "beautiful and elegant resolution." For example, explain biogeography in term of YEC. Explain the fossil record in terms of YEC. Explain why our genome is 95-96% identical to chimpanzees in terms of YEC. Explain ANYTHING in terms of YEC.
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