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Are we talking about Cain's imputed guilt of Adam (Ro 5:17, 18-19) which condemns him to death, or about Cain's sinful action (due to his fallen nature) which also condemns him to death (Ro 6:23)?So are you saying that there was no personal unrighteousness in Cain that caused him to slay Abel?
I'm asking how Cain became a sinner by Adam's sin.Are we talking about Cain's imputed guilt of Adam (Ro 5:17, 18-19) which condemns him to death, or about Cain's sinful action (due to his fallen nature) which also condemns him to death (Ro 6:23)?
And you're still not answering the question about Eze 18:20. You apparently agree that Adam's offspring were held accountable/guilty for a sin they didn't commit:
Cain's fallen nature causes him to sin, which fallen nature is the result of Adam's sin.I'm asking how Cain became a sinner by Adam's sin.
Ok, I think this is where we may come to some agreement, or "agreeance", as some celebrities apparently put it. That fallen nature is unrighteous, not just a declaration of unrighteousness, and that "falleness", that unrighteousness, is the cause of the sin we observe every day and may participate in to one degree or another.Cain's fallen nature causes him to sin, which fallen nature is the result of Adam's sin.
That is correct, and fhanson also has no basis to discuss with you, in your same declaration, as fhanson also does not agree to your Scriptural explanations.We have no basis for Scriptural discussion.
Cain is of the flesh, even is of the wicked one.Cain's fallen nature causes him to sin, which fallen nature is the result of Adam's sin.
Cain (and all mankind) is also guilty of Adam's sin; i.e., a sinner, by Adam's sin being imputed to all mankind (Ro 5:17, 18-19).
There is incurrence, inheritance, and imputation.
Man did not incur Adam's sin/guilt, and man does not inherit Adam's sin/guilt, for sin/guilt is not inherited (Eze 18:20).
Adam's sin/guilt is imputed (accounted, charged) to man by God (Ro 5:17, 18-19).
fhansen, agreement comes altogether, or not at all, a Christian chat forum cant be just to find some agreement, but to find all truth or none of it, see also what i just replied in the last two replies to clare73, or dont see it.Ok, I think this is where we may come to some agreement, or "agreeance", as some celebrities apparently put it. That fallen nature is unrighteous, not just a declaration of unrighteousness, and that "falleness", that unrighteousness, is the cause of the sin we observe every day and may participate in to one degree or another.
Ok? And yet common ground is always a good thing-and should be appreciated and pursued wherever it may be found.fhansen, agreement comes altogether, or not at all, a Christian chat forum cant be just to find some agreement, but to find all truth or none of it, see also what i just replied in the last two replies to clare73, or dont see it.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Cain (and all mankind) is also guilty of Adam's sin; i.e., a sinner, by Adam's sin being imputed (accounted, charged) to all mankind (Ro 5:17, 18-19).Ok, I think this is where we may come to some agreement, or "agreeance", as some celebrities apparently put it. That fallen nature is unrighteous, not just a declaration of unrighteousness, and that "falleness", that unrighteousness, is the cause of the sin we observe every day and may participate in to one degree or another.
Okay, so what does it mean to have a fallen nature? And can that nature affect our behavior, regarding righteousness?Cain (and all mankind) is also guilty of Adam's sin; i.e., a sinner, by Adam's sin being imputed (accounted, charged) to all mankind (Ro 5:17, 18-19).
There is incurrence, inheritance, and imputation.
Man did not incur Adam's sin/guilt, and man does not inherit Adam's sin/guilt, for sin/guilt is not inherited (Eze 18:20).
Adam's sin/guilt is imputed (accounted, charged) to man by God (Ro 5:17, 18-19), and which is the pattern (Ro 5:14) for
Christ's righteousness being imputed to man by God (Ro 5:18-19).
Neither sin, guilt nor "offenses" are inherited (Eze 18:20).Cain is of the flesh, even is of the wicked one.
1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
That is not imputation, that is belonging with wickedness, as stated.
Sin is not inherited from father to son, but what is inherited is offences,
An unregenerate fallen nature is inclined to sin, unable to be sinless and, therefore, a slave to sin (Jn 8:34), slaves are not free.Okay, so what does it mean to have a fallen nature?
Yes, regarding imparted righteousness through obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).And can that nature affect our behavior, regarding righteousness?
I await Biblical demonstration of the personal assertions of both of you. . .That is correct, and fhanson also has no basis to discuss with you, in your same declaration, as fhanson also does not agree to your Scriptural explanations.
Ok, The question is pretty straightforward. Does this fallen nature, itself, contribute to unrighteousness in man, with sin resulting? Did man lose something at the Fall that he possessed prior to it? Did the Fall, in some manner, make man unrighteous?An unregenerate fallen nature is inclined to sin, unable to be sinless and, therefore, a slave to sin (Jn 8:34), slaves are not free.
Yes, regarding imparted righteousness through obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).
No, regarding imputed righteousness of Christ (Ro 5:14, 18-19) through the gift of faith (Php 1:29) and justification (Ro 4:25, 5:18,
declaration of "not guilty," sentence of acquittal, pronouncement of remission of sin).
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