I am a conservative Christian, and one of my atheist/ex-Christian friends sent me this e-mail. I don't know how to respond, advice?
"Now.. I'm not sure I want to be convinced that your beliefs are true, because if they are, (according to Hebrews 6:4-6) I'm eternally screwed and have no hope. But, nevertheless, I'd really appreciate it if you could maybe try to explain why it is your beliefs make sense to you, because in my mind I have no clue how anyone who thinks hard about it can justify having faith in the God of the Bible. So, if nothing else, I'd just like to know that all Christians aren't completly insane.
ok...I'm just going to summarize my understanding of Christianity. You can correct me where I'm wrong.
THE OLD TESTAMENT
I don't know if you're familiar with the ancient Greek and Roman gods.. (ie. Zeus, Hera, ect..) but the God of the old testament acted suspiciously like them (though he was perhaps more violent). To start, he chose one nation as his favorite nation, (why would a real god do that?) He killed thousands of babies in Egypt, commanded the Jews to attack a city and kill every man, woman child, and animal, (they were punished when they saved some animals to sacrifice), he also allowed the devil to kill Job's (one of Gods most faithful followers) entire family, as well as his slaves, (God was cool with slaves back then) just because Satan was talking trash to God. (You'd think God wouldn't take Satan's trash talk so seriously) God also flooded the earth...killing countless more children, oh, and he destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah, and Jericho.. (however, Nineveh got a second chance, they must have been God's second favorite people) all of which were no doubt packed with kids. At some point during the slaughtering, God gave the Jews a list a 10 things he really didn't want them to do. (you'd think he would've added pedophilia to the list, judging by the way the Catholic church operates, but who knows..maybe God just has it out for kids.)
That of course, is just the old testament. The second half of the book takes a surprisingly positive twist! (...well...sort of..)
THE NEW TESTAMENT
Well.. the basic gist of it is, that 2000 years ago, there was a man/god who was his own father. (this isn't that crazy I guess.. He's God, he can do what he wants) And long story short, he died, and rose three days later. Now, we (as Christians) are instructed to symbolically cannibalize him. The ritual often takes place in a building, where everyone is sitting facing an ancient torture device. (I'm not really going anywhere with that.. I always just thought it was kind of creepy)
Now, the reason Jesus was sent on this suicide mission, was because the first woman ever, was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic tree. When she ate from the tree, an evil force was put in us, and the only way to remove this evil force is to telepathically ask this man who we symbolically cannibalize to take it away in exchange for our soul. If we do this, we get to live forever in paradise...That's the good news!
...however, the bad news is that if you don't, you end up in burning fire for all of eternity. It doesn't matter if you're a Buddhist monk who strives his whole life for Holiness, or a Muslim suicide bomber who had so much faith in God that you took your own life for him, or an electrician named Steve. You must guess the right religion (without any real proof..) or else you must BURN!
(Fun fact about hell: it wasn't mentioned until the new testament! Until then, the Jews believed in something much like Hades. They believed that they would all go to the same place no matter what.
In Plato's republic, which was written about 200 years before Jesus lived, Socrates suggests that promise of paradise be given to anyone who died heroically in battle. That way, the people have more incentive to serve their country. So, basically he suggests heaven for those who fit into the minority that follows everything he says, and hell (or hades) for everyone else. The fact that the exact same concept showed up 200 years later in Christianity, then later in Islam is purely coincidental.)
by the by, when all the books were shoved into the cannon, (a few hundred years after they were written) Christianity became the state mandated religion, and anyone who didn't believe that Jesus loved them was killed. The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition came afterwards. Oddly, God never found any cause to smite any of these people as he did when Ananias and Sapphira fibbed about their tithe. In fact, we haven't had a good smiting in a few thousand years! Maybe God should bring it back, smite some of those far away brown people who have been causing us so many problems. If he did that, belief in Christianity would skyrocket! Jesus said that faith can move mountains, maybe someone should do that.. have a documentary where they shoot mount Everest to the moon using only prayer.. Or maybe we could get some of those Baal worshipers to pour water on a sacrifice and then have our God ignite it on national television.. that would get some media coverage! (all the Baal worshipers would have to be killed of course..)
Sorry... I got a little sarcastic there at the end. I know that we can't expect God to actually do anything on his own.. because it's a different time and he doesn't do that stuff anymore. We instead have to do his work for him and then give him credit.
But in all seriousness... How do you look at that and say, "that makes sense, I think I'll devote my entire life to believing it"? I just personally think if there is a God, he could come up with a lot better than that.
I appreciate you taking time to read this... and maybe you can shed some light on the madness.
Sincerely,
Jim Jones"
"Now.. I'm not sure I want to be convinced that your beliefs are true, because if they are, (according to Hebrews 6:4-6) I'm eternally screwed and have no hope. But, nevertheless, I'd really appreciate it if you could maybe try to explain why it is your beliefs make sense to you, because in my mind I have no clue how anyone who thinks hard about it can justify having faith in the God of the Bible. So, if nothing else, I'd just like to know that all Christians aren't completly insane.
ok...I'm just going to summarize my understanding of Christianity. You can correct me where I'm wrong.
THE OLD TESTAMENT
I don't know if you're familiar with the ancient Greek and Roman gods.. (ie. Zeus, Hera, ect..) but the God of the old testament acted suspiciously like them (though he was perhaps more violent). To start, he chose one nation as his favorite nation, (why would a real god do that?) He killed thousands of babies in Egypt, commanded the Jews to attack a city and kill every man, woman child, and animal, (they were punished when they saved some animals to sacrifice), he also allowed the devil to kill Job's (one of Gods most faithful followers) entire family, as well as his slaves, (God was cool with slaves back then) just because Satan was talking trash to God. (You'd think God wouldn't take Satan's trash talk so seriously) God also flooded the earth...killing countless more children, oh, and he destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah, and Jericho.. (however, Nineveh got a second chance, they must have been God's second favorite people) all of which were no doubt packed with kids. At some point during the slaughtering, God gave the Jews a list a 10 things he really didn't want them to do. (you'd think he would've added pedophilia to the list, judging by the way the Catholic church operates, but who knows..maybe God just has it out for kids.)
That of course, is just the old testament. The second half of the book takes a surprisingly positive twist! (...well...sort of..)
THE NEW TESTAMENT
Well.. the basic gist of it is, that 2000 years ago, there was a man/god who was his own father. (this isn't that crazy I guess.. He's God, he can do what he wants) And long story short, he died, and rose three days later. Now, we (as Christians) are instructed to symbolically cannibalize him. The ritual often takes place in a building, where everyone is sitting facing an ancient torture device. (I'm not really going anywhere with that.. I always just thought it was kind of creepy)
Now, the reason Jesus was sent on this suicide mission, was because the first woman ever, was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic tree. When she ate from the tree, an evil force was put in us, and the only way to remove this evil force is to telepathically ask this man who we symbolically cannibalize to take it away in exchange for our soul. If we do this, we get to live forever in paradise...That's the good news!
...however, the bad news is that if you don't, you end up in burning fire for all of eternity. It doesn't matter if you're a Buddhist monk who strives his whole life for Holiness, or a Muslim suicide bomber who had so much faith in God that you took your own life for him, or an electrician named Steve. You must guess the right religion (without any real proof..) or else you must BURN!
(Fun fact about hell: it wasn't mentioned until the new testament! Until then, the Jews believed in something much like Hades. They believed that they would all go to the same place no matter what.
In Plato's republic, which was written about 200 years before Jesus lived, Socrates suggests that promise of paradise be given to anyone who died heroically in battle. That way, the people have more incentive to serve their country. So, basically he suggests heaven for those who fit into the minority that follows everything he says, and hell (or hades) for everyone else. The fact that the exact same concept showed up 200 years later in Christianity, then later in Islam is purely coincidental.)
by the by, when all the books were shoved into the cannon, (a few hundred years after they were written) Christianity became the state mandated religion, and anyone who didn't believe that Jesus loved them was killed. The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition came afterwards. Oddly, God never found any cause to smite any of these people as he did when Ananias and Sapphira fibbed about their tithe. In fact, we haven't had a good smiting in a few thousand years! Maybe God should bring it back, smite some of those far away brown people who have been causing us so many problems. If he did that, belief in Christianity would skyrocket! Jesus said that faith can move mountains, maybe someone should do that.. have a documentary where they shoot mount Everest to the moon using only prayer.. Or maybe we could get some of those Baal worshipers to pour water on a sacrifice and then have our God ignite it on national television.. that would get some media coverage! (all the Baal worshipers would have to be killed of course..)
Sorry... I got a little sarcastic there at the end. I know that we can't expect God to actually do anything on his own.. because it's a different time and he doesn't do that stuff anymore. We instead have to do his work for him and then give him credit.
But in all seriousness... How do you look at that and say, "that makes sense, I think I'll devote my entire life to believing it"? I just personally think if there is a God, he could come up with a lot better than that.
I appreciate you taking time to read this... and maybe you can shed some light on the madness.
Sincerely,
Jim Jones"
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