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Help! Did I commit unpardonable sin?

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I created this account because I am not sure where else to go for help but I really need help in dealing with something. Recently I had a blasphemous thought about the Bible while I was hearing a sermon and a thought crossed my mind that said "no the bible is the word of the devil" and as soon as that thought went in my head I thought instantly I had committed the unpardonable sin.

I believe in Christ as my Saviour and Lord and of course I believe the Bible is GOD's word but I am worried that it doesn't matter anymore because of that thought I said, I was reading the Bible this morning and I wanted to get closer to Jesus but no thanks to my dumb thought I feel it won't matter if I try to get closer to God because of this thought and it's all meaningless now because it's all over. Does it sound like I committed the unpardonable sin and is there any advice on what to do? I don't have anyone else I can ask for help.
 

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Are you struggling with OCD or some type of mental issue?

When that thought came into your mind, how did you correct
that thought? Did you find a verse or verses of scripture in the Bible to
shut down the bad thought?
Did you repent and or seek the Lord for help etc?
 
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The Bible says that those who get to Heaven will be beyond human counting. If only people with no sinful thoughts got to be there, it would probably be empty. We all have bad thoughts from time to time. The devil is not uncommonly responsible for them.

As far as I know from much study of Bible over many years, there are only 3 unpardonable sins. 1) Rejecting Messiah, aka Jesus, as your Savior. 2) Acting like some Pharisees who attributed - verbally, publicly, not in some passing secret thought - the miracles of Messiah to the devil. 3) Willfully, knowingly - not out of bad habits and spiritual bondage that one is not yet freed from - deciding to sin. We all sin. The Bible shows all the great saints sinned even though they believed in the Almighty. Again, it is deliberate, knowing, willful, sorta "In Your Face" sin that is being talked about.

Praying for you to get peace and to get freedom from such thoughts, but that if they come that you will let them go. Someone can knock on the door of your mind. But you don't have to open it up and invite that one to take residence there.
 
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I have no clue if I have OCD or not but I was just sitting there and it popped into my head. I don't know if I was the one responsible for it or not because it came so quickly and right after I thought it I was immediately worried about it and knew it was wrong and I was looking all over the internet looking at sites or sermons about the unpardonable sin wondering if I had committed it or not, one from a man named Adrian Rogers who said if you think you have committed it then you haven't, and other which said if you believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour then that can only truly happen with the Holy Spirit's working so it's a sign you haven't committed it. It made me feel better for a little while but when I got up this morning I started worrying about it again as soon as I prayed and opened the bible I thought to myself: "What if it's too late now even if I believe or follow Jesus it's all meaningless now because of what I thought the other day" and I wasn't sure what to think anymore.
 
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Use 2 Corinthians 10:5 method.

Take the thought captive—capture it, break it down, determine if there is any truth in it, and vanquish the lies.
Study and memorize Scripture so that you can be ready with the truth the next time the thought pops up.
Analyze your own heart, and submit any part of you that believes the lie.
Pray David's prayer from Psalm 139:23-24: "Search me, O God, and know my heart!
Try me and know my thoughts! And see if there be any grievous way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting!"
 
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I have no clue if I have OCD or not but I was just sitting there and it popped into my head. I don't know if I was the one responsible for it or not because it came so quickly

Yeah, this is right out of the devil's playbook. Don't give these thoughts the time of day. Move on, move on.

and right after I thought it I was immediately worried about it and knew it was wrong and I was looking all over the internet looking at sites or sermons about the unpardonable sin wondering if I had committed it or not,

You've got the wrong idea about your Heavenly Father and how it is you are saved if this is your response to a single, random, demonic thought that popped into your mind. Be easy, brother! God's not gonna' smack you down over this. He loves you.

It made me feel better for a little while but when I got up this morning I started worrying about it again as soon as I prayed and opened the bible I thought to myself: "What if it's too late now even if I believe or follow Jesus it's all meaningless now because of what I thought the other day" and I wasn't sure what to think anymore.

You don't understand the basis upon which you're saved if this is how your thinking really is. You didn't save yourself; God did. He "began a good work in you" and takes the responsibility for seeing that work to full completion. (Phil. 1:6) Relax. Trust yourself to God's goodness.

Selah.
 
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I know that salvation is not based off what I do but what Jesus Christ has done in my place. I just thought maybe having that idea in my head meant that I was not saved and asking God's forgiveness for it was too late. I will continue to trust Christ for my salvation, pray, read scripture and try to obey it and hope the Lord will allow these feelings of guilt and dread to go away.
 
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So I did not commit it then? I didn't say it publically I just heard it in my mind as a thought. What should I do then? Just ignore it if it comes back and keep reading the bible and praying?

No, I believe you absolutely no way committed the unpardonable sin. I believe the devil and his demons can certainly put thoughts into our minds. I doubt that thought was even yours. Now one can reject or embrace such thoughts, but obviously you don't want do embrace them.

What to do about it? First, since you mentioned OCD I would look on the net and see if you have symptoms of that. One bad thought in your head, of course, would not be enough. If there seems to be an OCD pattern, well, personally I would avoid a psychiatrist and their meds. Not saying they never have helped anyone. On the other hand they have never cured a single disease of any kind and the tales of harm done by their prescriptions can be horrifying. That's my opinion and observation, but of course you have to decide for yourself.

You might want to check out Dr. Daniel Amen. He is a psychiatrist who tries to avoid meds and has done over 60 thousand brain scans. In one of his books, or Youtube vids, I'd guess he has offered some advice re OCD, if you have it.

In the meantime, anytime, when those thoughts come I would say don't do what a lot of people do and say "I rebuke you Satan!" Nowhere in the Bible are we ever told to talk to him at all. When an archangel was disputing over Moses' body with the devil, the angel said, "May YHWH" aka God "rebuke you". That was in a face to face confrontation however.

There are many kinds of spiritual warfare. You are going to be in a spiritual battle, one way or another, most if not all days of your life. That's the norm. We are told to be overcomers, conquerors. "The troubles of the righteous are many, but" we are told that our Heavenly Father delivers us out of them all.

Praise is a great form of spiritual warfare. "YHWH inhabits the praises of His people Israel...." (we are told to be grafted into Israel in the "New" Testament.) Where YHWH, aka God, is, the devil ain't! When you get a thought like that your can think or say things like, "The Bible is the true and living Word of the Almighty Creator" which I believe it is, in its original Hebrew form.

Or you can say things like "He Who began a good work in me will be faithful to complete it....Greater is Yahushua" aka Jesus "in me than he" aka the devil "who is in the world."

Saying the Lord's Prayer is very helpful to many people. Actually, since it says "Give us the this day our daily bread" it seems we need to say it every day anyway. Learn the 23rd Psalm and say it. Ditto the 91st Psalm.

Sing praise songs! Read the stories of how David's singing to Saul caused the monarch's evil spirits to take off, how Silas and Paul were miraculously released from prison while singing to the Lord, how Jehoshaphat had his priests to simply carry the ark and sing praise songs when various armies came against Israel, vastly outnumbering his people.

How often does the Almighty want you talking to Him, singing to Him, thinking about Him? Mostly all the time. "He who keeps His mind stayed on me I will keep in perfect peace."

Praying for you to find the peace there is in spiritual warfare.
 
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I created this account because I am not sure where else to go for help but I really need help in dealing with something. Recently I had a blasphemous thought about the Bible while I was hearing a sermon and a thought crossed my mind that said "no the bible is the word of the devil" and as soon as that thought went in my head I thought instantly I had committed the unpardonable sin.

I believe in Christ as my Saviour and Lord and of course I believe the Bible is GOD's word but I am worried that it doesn't matter anymore because of that thought I said, I was reading the Bible this morning and I wanted to get closer to Jesus but no thanks to my dumb thought I feel it won't matter if I try to get closer to God because of this thought and it's all meaningless now because it's all over. Does it sound like I committed the unpardonable sin and is there any advice on what to do? I don't have anyone else I can ask for help.

There is no sin that is unpardanonable, there is no sin that is unforgivable.
The bible is very clear that Jesus died for all people and all sins and that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It is impossible to do something that god will not forgive.

The reason Jesus and Peter speak about an unpardonable sin is this...

When Jesus spoke about this he was talking about the Pharisees and how they said that when he performed miracles that it was Satan's power. This represented their hard hearts that would never allow Jesus to help them (save them).

These pharisees were so determined to reject Jesus that when Jesus showed them the power and love of god they did whatever they had to do to reject it... and so they called it the devils power. These men refused to ever accept Jesus and so Jesus could not save them because they would not allow him to, it is not that they did something that Jesus would not forgive.

There is no unforgivable sin, all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 
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There is no sin that is unpardanonable, there is no sin that is unforgivable.
The bible is very clear that Jesus died for all people and all sins and that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It is impossible to do something that god will not forgive.

The reason Jesus and Peter speak about an unpardonable sin is this...

When Jesus spoke about this he was talking about the Pharisees and how they said that when he performed miracles that it was Satan's power. This represented their hard hearts that would never allow Jesus to help them (save them).

These pharisees were so determined to reject Jesus that when Jesus showed them the power and love of god they did whatever they had to do to reject it... and so they called it the devils power. These men refused to ever accept Jesus and so Jesus could not save them because they would not allow him to, it is not that they did something that Jesus would not forgive.

There is no unforgivable sin, all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Matthew 12

24 But the Pharisees, hearing it, said, This Man drives out demons only by and with the help of Beelzebub, the prince of demons.

25 And knowing their thoughts, He said to them, Any kingdom that is divided against itself is being brought to desolation and laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will last or continue to stand.

26 And if Satan drives out Satan, he has become divided against himself and disunified; how then will his kingdom last or continue to stand?

27 And if I drive out the demons by [help of] Beelzebub, by whose [help] do your sons drive them out? [j]For this reason they shall be your judges.

28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out the demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you [[k]before you expected it].

29 Or how can a person go into a strong man’s house and carry off his goods (the entire equipment of his house) without first binding the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

30 He who is not with Me [definitely [l]on My side] is against Me, and he who does not [definitely] gather with Me and for [m]My side scatters.

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy (every evil, abusive, [n]injurious speaking, or indignity against sacred things) can be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the [Holy] Spirit shall not and [o]cannot be forgiven.

32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Spirit, the Holy One, will not be forgiven, either in this world and age or in the world and age to come.


And look Domenico Messiah said that whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven. You didn't say a thing! ;)
 
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24 But the Pharisees, hearing it, said, This Man drives out demons only by and with the help of Beelzebub, the prince of demons.


This above is what they did... the rest of the text is an elaboration on this single statement and action, remember that... and this statement represented their heart which was a heart that when faced with the absolute and undeniable power of god (which Jesus says is very obvious in this text as well) they chose to call it the devil's power... the Pharisees said this because they were willing to do whatever it took to deny Jesus which made them unforgivable because of refusal.

"All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved"
Romans 10.13

So the issue is, how do you reconcile a scripture that says god will forgive anyone who asks with a scripture that says a sin is unforgiveable?

The answer is seeing that when Jesus mentioned a sin that is unforgiveable he was talking about Pharisees who were doing whatever they had to do to deny him, even if it meant saying his power came from the devil itself.

There is no one who's call Jesus will not answer so there really isn't any single sin that he wont forgive, only a person who not receive forgiveness... which is exactly the people he was talking about when he made this statement.
 
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This above is what they did... the rest of the text is an elaboration on this single statement and action, remember that... and this statement represented their heart which was a heart that when faced with the absolute and undeniable power of god (which Jesus says is very obvious in this text as well) they chose to call it the devil's power... the Pharisees said this because they were willing to do whatever it took to deny Jesus which made them unforgivable because of refusal.

"All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved"
Romans 10.13

So the issue is, how do you reconcile a scripture that says god will forgive anyone who asks with a scripture that says a sin is unforgiveable?

The answer is seeing that when Jesus mentioned a sin that is unforgiveable he was talking about Pharisees who were doing whatever they had to do to deny him, even if it meant saying his power came from the devil itself.

There is no one who's call Jesus will not answer so there really isn't any single sin that he wont forgive, only a person who not receive forgiveness... which is exactly the people he was talking about when he made this statement.

How do you reconcile what seems like a contradiction? I would say first go to the Hebrew text. Yes, Matthew was written in Hebrew first. In fact as the early "Church fathers" writings document, all the "New" Testament was written in Hebrew. Then it was translated to the Greek.

I don't want to get into an argument over this. I do have the Shem Tob copy of Matthew, copied by a Medieval Jew, but it is a translation from the original Hebrew, a language which I can't read.

I think we can both agree that it would not be smart to go around saying blasphemous things about the Holy Spirit.
 
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I wouldn't argue with you, you're being kind and telling what you believe :) I'd never respond harshly to that :)

I think the contradiction is solved by seeing that when Jesus mentioned an unforgiveable sin he was specifically talking about people who refused him at any and all costs... even (specifically) calling his power the power of the devil.

There are too many reasons to feel that Jesus died for all sins, conquered all sins, forgives and receives all who open the door to his knocking... Jesus mentioned an unforgiveable sin one time and when he did was he was talking to pharisees who were so determined to reject him that they would never allow him to help them.
 
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I wouldn't argue with you, you're being kind and telling what you believe :) I'd never respond harshly to that :)

I think the contradiction is solved by seeing that when Jesus mentioned an unforgiveable sin he was specifically talking about people who refused him at any and all costs... even (specifically) calling his power the power of the devil.

There are too many reasons to feel that Jesus died for all sins, conquered all sins, forgives and receives all who open the door to his knocking... Jesus mentioned an unforgiveable sin one time and when he did was he was talking to pharisees who were so determined to reject him that they would never allow him to help them.

There does seem to be a contradiction there. Again, I think this is probably a translation issue. For ex. we are told that YHWH, aka God, never tempts anyone. On the other hand in the English version of the Lord's Prayer we read "...and lead us not into temptation." The French translation says, "protect us from hard testing" and I think they got it right.

The main thing is neither you nor I, nor other posters here, think the OP has committed the unpardonable sin. Not at all. Of course it's not what we think that matters, but what HE thinks, and in this case we know the OP is not speaking against the Holy Spirit.
 
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I don't remember what happened I just remember I had thought that. Nobody else except me in my own mind heard that. Basically my whole concern was as someone who does believe in Christ for his salvation and wants to follow Him, I thought that what happened yesterday was the unpardonable sin so my trusting Jesus or following Him would be meaningless. But someone who committed the unpardonable sin would never have those desires right?
 
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I don't remember what happened I just remember I had thought that. Nobody else except me in my own mind heard that. Basically my whole concern was as someone who does believe in Christ for his salvation and wants to follow Him, I thought that what happened yesterday was the unpardonable sin so my trusting Jesus or following Him would be meaningless. But someone who committed the unpardonable sin would never have those desires right?

Right, youre scared because you love him, which means you dont hate him.
 
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