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You deride relative morality yet adulate and praise an entity that would impose eternal torture for thought-crime. This means either two things:Well, God doesn't see unbelievers as righteous. Because an unbeliever denies Him, they inevitably conclude that all is permissible.
The rest of what an atheist thinks or feels is just good imagery to hide what is inevitably the true conclusion in their standing. That's just the reality of it. It's why, for example, atheists can condemn a killer of an infant to an electric chair and yet make abortion a free right by which the refusal of is oppressive- it's all relative. That's what the 'relative morals' argument ultimately is about.
The problem is that, with having a perfect God, He cannot reward those with that position the same as those who accept His.
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
~ Isaiah 1:19-20
You may notice that is my signature.
You will also notice that it's a threat- Jesus talks more about Hell then he does Heaven because the Father isn't bargaining with people against Him.
In Islam, Hell exists. God is not a father, like a mere human being. He is the Creator of the heavens and the earths, this endless universe, without any help from anyone. It is such a blasphemy to say that God is a father.
God is a king, the king of kings. He is a very jealous and a very proud king. He does not tolerate that the one He created bare and alone and sustains him throughout his life, He does not tolerate that he spends one instant of his life without God, without deep love of God, without deep fear of God, without deep hope in God, without deep admiration of God. That is why there is a Hell.
Amongst the tortures of Hell are drinking boiling water to quench one's thirst. The inmates of Hell will keep calling out to the angel in charge of Hell (Malik), asking him to ask God to put an end to them. He will keep telling them that this will never happen.
What is gross is not the belief in Hell. What is gross (in my opinion) is the inability to believe in Hell.
It is not gross. There is a reason why they are unable to believe in it, and it is horrible.
In Islam, God Almighty is merciful. Mercy has 100 parts. All the mercy that you see between people, between creatures in this world accounts for 1 part. The other 99 parts remain with God Almighty. So, yes, God is merciful but that's another topic.
Amongst the tortures of Hell are drinking boiling water to quench one's thirst. The inmates of Hell will keep calling out to the angel in charge of Hell (Malik), asking him to ask God to put an end to them. He will keep telling them that this will never happen.
What is gross is not the belief in Hell. What is gross (in my opinion) is the inability to believe in Hell.
That's it, I can't take this anymore. I know I said I would drop out of actively engaging in this several pages back, but this is sick. This is utterly sick. I HAVE to say this.
Other Christians, THIS right here is basically what you believe in when you just casually accept the eternal soul teaching in mainstream Christian dogma without question. Oh, with a few special exceptions like Jonathan Edwards, Christianity may not get into detail about the torments like the Muslim Quran does or have obvious verses in their Bible that outright say that the God they worship will deliberately hinder unbelievers from believing so that they go to Hell no matter what like I know at least on everse in the Quran says, but the gist is there. And now, although I didn't think it at first when I realized how little evidence there is in the Bible for the eternal soul and a person going directly to a place of endless bliss or endless torture when they die, I am beginning to believe it is doctrines like this sick demonic garbage that is the traditional hell that indeed is one of the things that "causes God's name to be blasphemed among the Gentiles."
Don't worry, Psycho Sarah, not all Christians believe in this. If you ever wish to search for this God and Christ that we believe in (I hope I am not being to hasty in assuming you are atheist, as I just gather this from what posts of yours I have seen so far), then please, talk to one of them. Don't let majority religious dogma color your perceptions, however difficult it can be to avoid that.
All people were asked by God, before the world was created, if God was their Lord. They said yes.
These are not noble, nor admirable traits. In a human we would them indicative of hubris and entitlement.God is a king, the king of kings. He is a very jealous and a very proud king.
This does not sound like my problem, thus not my responsibility to burden the consequences for such arbitrary and baffling demands.He does not tolerate that the one He created bare and alone and sustains him throughout his life, He does not tolerate that he spends one instant of his life without God, without deep love of God, without deep fear of God, without deep hope in God, without deep admiration of God. That is why there is a Hell.
You describe God as a sadistic monster.Amongst the tortures of Hell are drinking boiling water to quench one's thirst. The inmates of Hell will keep calling out to the angel in charge of Hell (Malik), asking him to ask God to put an end to them. He will keep telling them that this will never happen.
An inability to believe in any proposition cannot be by definition gross.What is gross is not the belief in Hell. What is gross (in my opinion) is the inability to believe in Hell.
People do not refuse to belief in a God due to malice, or hatred, or some low motive but on the basis of conviction. If you genuinely do not believe in the existence of a God(s) then you don't believe that way. No amount of threats can compel people to change their perception of reality - only influence the likelihood that they may pretend to change their conviction.It's not the belief of someone that is punished. It is his unbelief. God shows His greatness to one, and one still says I don't believe in God. God is jealous and does not tolerate such offense to His majesty.
But God is loving is extends His love. But people do not seek that love.
^Note that the gospels go into excruciating detail about Christ's opponents (teachers of the law, unmerciful, binding heavy burdens and what not). A little history shows that Judaism was being hellenized as well, bringing in western ideas of the afterlife, including hades, the abode of the dead according to Greek mythology.
In the same chapter that Christ is quoted in as stating "blessed are the merciful," He is also quoted as recommending dismemberment to avoid hellfire (Mat 5).
The "sword" He spoke of has the effect of dividing households, and it is described as proceeding from His mouth in Revelation.
There are a number of things going on here which modern christianity evidently doesn't understand.
God is jealous and does not tolerate such offense to His majesty.
That claim makes God sound like a little kid. Jealousy is a sin that nothing good comes from, and it just makes no sense to say God is "jealous". I really hope that other Muslims don't also hold this view.
These are not noble traits.
That's a laughable description of Earth. If Earth is watched over by a divine monarch then their reign would be remembered as catastrophic, neglectful, incompetent and even at points sadistic.They are very noble traits. If you were a king who graced his kingdom with good and prosperity, having rescued them from persecution, and they left to go join some other one that would ultimately put them right back where they started..
Did you see my prior post to you on this?I don't even need to say anymore. We're talking about the Creator of the Cosmos, how do you define what's 'noble' in that regard?
If Earth is watched over by a divine monarch then their reign would be remembered as catastrophic, neglectful, incompetent and even at points sadistic.
I could not have a lower opinion of the concept of hell. If you wish to abdicate God from having any moral accountability on anything he does or says, that's fine, but don't complain about morality. Don't berate the concept of relative morality and condemn those who don't adhere when in practice your belief has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with obedience.
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