hell

[strangertoo]

no mention of them having a priesthood according to the order of Melchisedec...this is ascribed to Christ only.

my friend, read the word ORDER ... an order of priests is a hierarchy , not just one... Jesus is the high priest of the order , who are the priests under him ? ... also Jesus is king of kings in his kingdom, who are these kings under him ? [Exodus 19:6, 1Pet 2:9-10 and indeed almost the whole of the OT and NT theme of the 'anointed' [Christ/ Messiah] of Israel asa re-united holy nation of royal priests, all IMMORTAL at translation at Jesus' return in THIS earth ... that is the distinguishing feature of the order of Melchizedek ['Melchisedec' in the NT ] :-

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the [NOTE: new] earth.

NOTE: that Melchizedek appears from nowhere , manifests , is already immortal and translates back to spirit , just as Jesus does some time later after his resurrection, never dies again... there is no doubt then that this is a son of God ... I haven't yet seen any definitive written evidence that it is Logos, but there seems no evidence against that I have noticed...

And certainly no statement saying this is the New Creation.

new heavens, new universe ...

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
...
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

It is true that what is said of them will take place, but back up and notice that the Tribes of Israel are at this time being sealed, that they endure the Tribulation and are not hurt of the judgments which befall the wicked.

Well it's only a tiny remnant 144,000, tens of thousands only of saints [Jude 1:14] that are sealed, baptised of the spirit in THIS life in this earth... that is all God sets Jesus to secure as kings and priests, and if you think about it they are the very image of Christ, so if they save in the kingdom as many as Jesus does in this earth, then that would be 20 billion, a number comparable at least to the number of men that ever lived... and it should be easier to save folks, by convincing them to try Love in place of sin , in the righteous kingdom where any sin or heart's desire to sin brings a swift second death... unbendable law of Love in Jesus' kingdom come

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Originally Posted by strangertoo

[We know that all those that sin in the kingdom come die a second death which removes sin yet again [Rom 6:7] this removes sinners from the kingdom so that righteousness prevails for the salvation of countless many at the second judgement the great white throne judgement [after the first judgement of who is taken by Jesus in this earth , translated to be the builders of , as later the kings and priests of ,the kingdom come],
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Incredible. You have people in the New Creation dying a second death when before the New Creation, death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire.

no my friend, death and hell are cast into the lake of fire at the same time as Satan and his followers are resurrected there, and death denied them...

Revelation 21

King James Version (KJV)

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

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the second death is equally to prevent corruption of the kingdom come until after judgement day has secured the countless many in translation to spirit [salvation] -Rev 7:9-10

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

the kingdom is indeed kept separate and perfect by the second death of all whose desire is still to sin...

Revelation 22

King James Version (KJV)


1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

yes indeed ... judgement day is the final salvation of billions and the rest are baptised of fire in the lake , the final baptism of the three toward salvation :-
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

it is indeed the end of time in the second earth when all move on to the third heaven, Eden, the tree of life, paradise of God, the immortal spirit ...

but of course the spirit is the endlessness that is the creator... there is no end to the crating of creations that all must end ...

 

[P1LGR1M]

Surely you know ?
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years
...
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

This is supposed to answer my question? This is your text for...

'locked up' in death with billions of sinners awaiting the kingdom come of Jesus to be ready in the new earth to be ready ...

?

You said:

[NOTE: ...the bottomless pit is where Satan was shut up for a thousand years -Revelation 20:2-7 , 'locked up' in death with billions of sinners awaiting the kingdom come of Jesus to be ready in the new earth to be ready ... so this is long after teh end of THIS universe, long after the 'Great Tribulation' of the wrth of God which destroys this earth and heavens]

...and you still have not provided a single verse that teaches what you state here.

I would probably recommend you invest is a decent study bible, my friend.

On the contrary, Ezek 28 shows that Satan dies for the sin of blasphemy [also 2Thess 2:4], so is indeed dead in hades/sheol for the thousand years... which 'millennium' one can show is uniquely referred to by the sequence of events

Actually, Ezekial 28 shows the King of Tyre perishing and this text is thought by many to also refer to Satan. I am one of those. But what it does not say is anything that contradicts Satan's binding at the end of the Tribulation. There is no reference to Satan dying, nor his imprisonment with "billions of sinners," and in regards to sequence of events you have confused the Millennial Kingdom with the Tribulation as well as the Eternal State.

In regards to this:


2 Thessalonians 2:4

King James Version (KJV)


4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



...this is a reference to the Antichrist, not Satan. Begin reading in this chapter alone and you will see that this precedes the return of Christ:


2 Thessalonians 2

King James Version (KJV)


1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;



The Antichrist, strangertoo, is called here the man of sin and the son of perdition.

This is not Satan.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


"That wicked" will be under SAtan's power, but he will not be Satan himself.

rather the trial is baptism of fire of the countless many saved 'later' at judgement day in the new earth kingdom of Jesus ... note that it is the consequence of the war between Satan with those who still follow him against the countless many new earth saints AND the immortal kings and priests of the kingdom with God and Christ in New Jerusalem ... no sinner allowed on pain of a second death asw wages of sin, keeping teh new earth righteous all the wya to judgement day and salvation of the many -Rev 7:9-10

New Jerusalem, strangertoo, follows after the wicked are cast into the Lake of Fire. Here you mistake the eternal state with the events that occur at the end of the Millennial Kingdom:


Now follow the sequence of events carefully here:


Revelation 20

King James Version (KJV)


1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan is bound, cast into the bottomless pit for a thousand years. It will be one thousand literal years before he is loosed.


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Here we see martyrs resurrected, and it is most probable this refers to Tribulation Martyrs, as they had not worshipped the beast, who does not appear until the Tribulation. Notice in this verse we see "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Coincidence? No. It is the same period which Satan is bound for. The Antichrist and the false prophet have already been cast into the Lake of Fire:

Revelation 19

King James Version (KJV)

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

If you will just read ch.19, you will see this takes place upon Christ's return. Do not confuse this with the events that take place after the thousand years are over, which is so obviously clear in the text we will look at shorty.


5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Note that the "rest of the dead," those that came out of the Tribulation also, and we could include all of the wicked dead, "lived not again until the thousand years are finished."

See a pattern here, strangertoo, lol, this thousand years keeps popping up. How is it that you miss this? It helps to establish a timeline for the sequence of events. Now let us recap what we have seen: Antichrist and false prophet are cast in the Lake of Fire, Satan is bound for a thousand years, the Tribulation Martyrs are resurrected to reign with Christ a thousand yeasrs, the wicked dead are not resurrected until the thousand years are over.



6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


The First Resurrection refers to the type of resurrection the Tribulation Martyrs receive. It is not the "first" resurrection, as we have at the very least the resurrection and rapture of the Two Witnesses in ch.11. This is why the second death has no power on them, as they are glorified.

And again...they reign a thousand years with Christ. This means that Christ will ruile on earth for a thousand years. Fairly simple to reach the conclusion there will be a thousand years in here somewhere...right? lol


7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,


There it is again...a thousand years. Then Satan is loosed. Now lets see what that serpent has up his sleeve:


8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


Despite the fact that Christ is ruling and reigning upon the earth, when Satan is loosed, he will gather the wicked, those that have rejected Christ's rule, and we see he will gather them to battle. Their primary objective?

Jerusalem:


9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


Their campaign is short lived, and an ignominious end. They are consumed by fire from Heaven. Now go back to ch.19 and realize that this is not the same event.

Also pay close attention that at this point...there is no New Jerusalem present upon the earth.


10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


And in goes Satan, into the Lake of Fire.

And still no New Heavens and Earth, and no New Jerusalem.


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


I believe we see here that which Peter prophesies concerning, that at this time...the elements melt with fervent heat. The heavens and the earth pass away, and we see a Great White Throne in place.

And upon that Throne is the Lord, and it is the great day of judgment.


12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


Those that stand before the Throne are the dead. Not the saved, for they are alive in Christ.

The books opened? I believe them to be the word of God, by which all men will be measured against. And "another" book is opened, which is the book of life. The book from which these dead have been blotted from.

These books will stand as witness against the dead and witness for God, that He gave, just like the rich man, opportunity from His word to be saved from torment. None will say..."I didn't know."


13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


All who have died in their sins are set forth for judgment. Each one will receive punishment according to their works, according to the word of God.


14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

In other words, all of the wicked are cast into the Lake of Fire. They died once in Adam, and were dead. They "live again" in this resurrection, and they die again here.


15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



It is my belief that all are in the book of life upon conception. They are blotted out according to their decision about the word of God, which in all ages has revealed to man how they might live. We see that in the Garden all the way through the Tribulation. At no time in history was there ever a man who will stand before God and say, I didn't know, you are being unfair."

Now we see the New Heavens and Earth, and New Jerusalem:


Revelation 21

King James Version (KJV)


21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.



This is the Eternal State, my friend.

Because a chronological order interferes with the doctrine of some, they over-emphasize that Revelation is not strictly chronological in events. This is true in part, as we see parenthetical passages, but for the most part, we can set down a strict timeline of events from Revelation. If you will but devote a little attention to this book, strangertoo, you will see the mystery that seems to be evidenced in your doctrine disappear.

And when you stop inserting your notions and carefully extract what is actually in there, you will be doing yourself a great service.

At this time, I will give this response for your consideration, and ask you to spend some time looking at what I have said here and see if you cannot see this in this passage in Revelation. If you will just come to an understanding about these events, and properly distinguish between Satan and the Antichrist, then perhaps we can examine some of these other teaching you propose.

God bless.

 

[dollarsbill]

Sorry folks, but Universalism is totally false.

"They shall be tormented day and night forever and ever."

 

[strangertoo]

Sorry folks, but Universalism is totally false.

"They shall be tormented day and night forever and ever."

sadly you are deceived by sinners of Satan in mistranslation of scripture...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

Revelation 20:10 [Rotherham] ... and, the Adversary that had been deceiving them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where were both the wild-beast and the false-prophet; and they shall be tormented, day and night, unto the ages of ages.

Revelation 20:10 [YLT] and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night—to the ages of the ages.

 

[dollarsbill]

sadly you are deceived by sinners of Satan in mistranslation of scripture...

Who is "sinners of Satan"? John?

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

1 John 3:8 (NASB)
8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning.

Big difference from what you are saying.

Revelation 20:10 [Rotherham] ... and, the Adversary that had been deceiving them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where were both the wild-beast and the false-prophet; and they shall be tormented, day and night, unto the ages of ages.

You have to jump from translation to translation to find one that fits YOUR doctrine? Check Mt 25:46. I think you'll find the exact same term for 'eternal life'.

Revelation 20:10 [YLT] and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night—to the ages of the ages.

Same Greek word as 'eternal life'. NEVER ending.

Matthew 25:46 (YLT)
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

 

[strangertoo]

Who is "sinners of Satan"? John?

John did not translate the scripture religious sinners did...

saints have never translated scripture , they know the problems which arise if one should do so ... but sinners work for Satan which creates even more problems for folks fooled by the subtle lies introduced by mistranslations in every translated version of scripture...

Jesus never had anything written down for very good reason , which he gave :-

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

anyone following Christ simply has to DO what Jesus commanded [Love , no more sin] and God will TEACH it ALL [also John 16:13, Heb 8:10-11]

look at what scripture generated DIVISION of religion, religious insanity since we KNOW absolutely there is only ONE Truth of God , so 99.9999% of religion is falsification of God's Truth which one could KNOW simply by doing what Jesus commands, Love, not abusing folks with sin to amuse Satan with his power over one so very easily...

1 John 3:8 (NASB)
8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning.

Big difference from what you are saying.

not at all , doing any sin is practising sin , and sin is almost all HABITUAL , even addictive in an obscene sort of way :-

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

but understand any sin at all wipes out a lifetime of righteousness :-

Ezek 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

You have to jump from translation to translation to find one that fits YOUR doctrine? Check Mt 25:46. I think you'll find the exact same term for 'eternal life'.

I don't , rather I use spirit baptism , ask God for the Truth... but that is of no use here ... and as you likely see, scripture has been translated by sinners [working for Satan] , it has been edited and mistranslated and deceives billions , subtle is Satan's way of lying to the whole earth eventually -Rev 13:3-4 - worth remembering that God allows it because someone has to delude the masses as the kingdom come is not ready yet except in the hearts and minds of the few saints of God [who are indeed saints, the very image of Christ, but so very few]

Same Greek word as 'eternal life'. NEVER ending.

Matthew 25:46 (YLT)
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

Sorry, but that says it lasts an age, which is quite true, then it ENDS ...

we know life never ends at death because after two deaths and two resurrections death is denied even the most wicked of men [who finally are ashamed by two lives of sin and seek suicide], after everyone else has been translated to spirit [the third heaven, Eden, paradise of God, tree of life, immortality, etc] :-

Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

 

[dollarsbill]

Who is "sinners of Satan"? John?

John did not translate the scripture religious sinners did...

Every human is a sinner whether they admit it or not.

saints have never translated scripture , they know the problems which arise if one should do so ... but sinners work for Satan which creates even more problems for folks fooled by the subtle lies introduced by mistranslations in every translated version of scripture...

So why do you quote English Bibles written by 'sinners who work for Satan'? Does that mean you work for Satan?

Jesus never had anything written down for very good reason , which he gave :-

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

anyone following Christ simply has to DO what Jesus commanded [Love , no more sin] and God will TEACH it ALL [also John 16:13, Heb 8:10-11]

Do you even realize what you are saying about what you are quoting yourself?

not at all , doing any sin is practising sin , and sin is almost all HABITUAL , even addictive in an obscene sort of way :-

Totally false.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

but understand any sin at all wipes out a lifetime of righteousness :-

Ezek 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

I can't believe nobody else is challenging you on this.

I don't , rather I use spirit baptism , ask God for the Truth... but that is of no use here ... and as you likely see, scripture has been translated by sinners [working for Satan] , it has been edited and mistranslated and deceives billions , subtle is Satan's way of lying to the whole earth eventually -Rev 13:3-4 - worth remembering that God allows it because someone has to delude the masses as the kingdom come is not ready yet except in the hearts and minds of the few saints of God [who are indeed saints, the very image of Christ, but so very few]

But you keep quoting "sinners [working for Satan]". Don't you consider that to be sin?

Sorry, but that says it lasts an age, which is quite true, then it ENDS ...

It does not say that.

we know life never ends at death because after two deaths and two resurrections death is denied even the most wicked of men [who finally are ashamed by two lives of sin and seek suicide], after everyone else has been translated to spirit [the third heaven, Eden, paradise of God, tree of life, immortality, etc] :-

Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

I see no consistency in this whatsoever.

 

[strangertoo]

Death CERTAINLY does not mean cease to exist. The Bible is clear.

This is the bible and it clearly states that everyone is released from hell and death...

please read more carefully what Jesus says in Rev 20:13 in YOUR bible

 

[dollarsbill]

This is the bible and it clearly states that everyone is released from hell and death...

please read more carefully what Jesus says in Rev 20:13 in YOUR bible

I suggest that you read it more carefully without omitting this.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And this:

Matthew 25:41-46 (NASB)
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

 

[strangertoo]

I would probably recommend you invest is a decent study bible, my friend.

I see your problem, 'study bibles' are written by sinners ,not saints , who thus know nothing about the spirit or the real Jesus because they still follow Satan in sin... ALL saints are taught by God Himself in spirit baptism [Heb 8:10-11, John 16:13] something never mentioned in study bibles or mass religion of sinners... you are simply being deceived by the MASTER of subtle deception ... the ONLY way out is to choose to stop sinning so that God can teach one Himself ...

I have been studying scripture for 50years alone with God and for sake of sinners have deliberately debunked much of the deceit that passes as religion of sinners [as if sinners could even know God or Jesus until they stop sinning] ... the irony is that the bible disproves over and over the mass religion of sinners that will consume this world because it suits God to allow it , mankind is not ready to stop sinning en masse yet ... God allows man's sin to be the cause of mankind's death in this world whilst taking every saint to create the kingdom come... and the only reason that you have not learned this from scripture is that you do not take in every word and its implications because study bibles focus away from the religion of Satan subscribing to continual sin and weekly confessions with no full repentance,so no spirit baptism... so not Truth of God -John 16:13

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God ... sin is the very opposite of Love ...sinners cannot know God or the real Jesus until they Love, no more abuse of folks with sin...

1 John 3:6 ...whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

that is the sad Truth of Rev 13:3-4 , but it cannot be otherwise , the whole world deluded by mass religion [using study bibles and 'sinner priest schools' in place of teaching that God will teach Himself if only one stops being unloving to folks with sin]

On the contrary, Ezek 28 shows that Satan dies for the sin of blasphemy [also 2Thess 2:4], so is indeed dead in hades/sheol for the thousand years... which 'millennium' one can show is uniquely referred to by the sequence of events
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Originally Posted by P1LGR1M

Actually, Ezekial 28 shows the King of Tyre perishing and this text is thought by many to also refer to Satan. I am one of those. But what it does not say is anything that contradicts Satan's binding at the end of the Tribulation. There is no reference to Satan dying

Try reading Ezek 28 again and compare with 2Thess 2:-
e.g. the death as a man of Satan:
Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

, nor his imprisonment with "billions of sinners,"

simply notice that Satan is dead in hell in the Millennium and so are the 'rest of the dead' , billions of sinners destroyed [Matt 7:13] in the wrath of God, the Great Tribulation

in regards to sequence of events you have confused the Millennial Kingdom with the Tribulation as well as the Eternal State.

sadly it is you who have been misled by not being taught by God , but by sinners who do not know , but serve Satan [usually without even realising it] with billions of other sinners who indeed will be the 'rest of the dead' :-

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.


Ironically it is you who has been deceived by Satan's trickery along with billions of others toward Rev 13:3-4 and you will find it very hard indeed to back-track to the Truth of the spirit and scripture unless you stop sinning and approach God humbly asking His Truth of scripture instead of simply asserting the clever deceits of Satan that you read in books designed specifically to delude the masses by subtle abuse of the words of scripture without taking in the WHOLE

2 Thessalonians 2:4

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

...this is a reference to the Antichrist, not Satan. Begin reading in this chapter alone and you will see that this precedes the return of Christ:

the final antichrist is Satan as the 'man of sin', prodigal 'son of perdition' , as shown by Ezekiel 28 , Satan manifests as a man , as do all cherubim :-

Ezekiel 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man...

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The Antichrist, strangertoo, is called here the man of sin and the son of perdition.

This is not Satan.

my friend, God says it is , but I would be happy to show you your mistake if you explain why you think God is mistaken... for myself I learn the deepest things by arguing with God [and losing always LOL?]

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

"That wicked" will be under SAtan's power, but he will not be Satan himself.

perhaps Rotherham clarifies the meaning better.... the presence of Satan as a man is BECAUSE of Satan's sin in the earth , because of His working , as it says , God wishes to show Satan that he cannot prevent his own death as man, to PROVE to Satan that he is no God , to humble him to the Truth toward his eventual salvation in baptism of fire in the lake..

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Whose, presence, shall be according to an inworking of Satan, with all manner of mighty work and sign and wonders of falsehood,

Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

there is no-one else but Satan who opposes so completely all that is God and exalts himself above God... that is how he gets his name, 'Adversary' ['Satan' in Hebrew]

rather the trial is baptism of fire of the countless many saved 'later' at judgement day in the new earth kingdom of Jesus ... note that it is the consequence of the war between Satan with those who still follow him against the countless many new earth saints AND the immortal kings and priests of the kingdom with God and Christ in New Jerusalem ... no sinner allowed on pain of a second death as wages of sin, keeping the new earth righteous all the way to judgement day and salvation of the many -Rev 7:9-10
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Originally Posted by P1LGR1M
New Jerusalem, strangertoo, follows after the wicked are cast into the Lake of Fire. Here you mistake the eternal state with the events that occur at the end of the Millennial Kingdom:

the rest of the dead and Satan are not even resurrected until the END of the Millenium!

Now follow the sequence of events carefully here:
Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan is bound, cast into the bottomless pit for a thousand years. It will be one thousand literal years before he is loosed.

as indeed I already said , so why repeat it ?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Here we see martyrs resurrected, and it is most probable this refers to Tribulation Martyrs, as they had not worshipped the beast, who does not appear until the Tribulation. Notice in this verse we see "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Coincidence? No. It is the same period which Satan is bound for.

already agreed upon...

 

[strangertoo]

The Antichrist and the false prophet have already been cast into the Lake of Fire:

but there is no indication of their resurrection until after judgement day , realise that God uses death not only to remove sin more effectively than grace [Rom 6:7] albeit with other implications, but also to delay the resurrection of the masses of sinners until the end of the Millennium and again to delay the resurrection of Satan and his following until the many are saved at the Great White throne judgement day -Rev 7:9-10 - death keeps Satan at bay whilst God removes his following progressively in these two stages ... and for good purpose that the most evil of men are concentrated in the lake of fire and see straight away there is no way they can live by evil any longer , they have only themselves to prey upon making life intolerable for all of them, poetic justice as God declares for them all along :-
Psalms 10:2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

clearly it cannot happen until the many have been saved first, so realise that it is not by chance that Satan and his horde are not resurrected ,but are dead a second time until God is ready to deal with them

Revelation 19
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

If you will just read ch.19, you will see this takes place upon Christ's return. Do not confuse this with the events that take place after the thousand years are over, which is so obviously clear in the text we will look at shorty.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron

sorry, but you really shouldn't try learning from sinners... Jesus does not rule till the new earth kingdom, not in this earth , [and the marriage of the Lamb is AFTER Jesus leaves with the few saints of this earth]

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

Thus the war is indeed the same war as spoken of in Rev 20... the secnd defeat of Satan, the first being HIS DEATH at the return of Jesus , so how could he fight when he locked away , sealed in death he cannot overcome himself...

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Note that the "rest of the dead," those that came out of the Tribulation also, and we could include all of the wicked dead, "lived not again until the thousand years are finished."

Slight problem perhaps, caused by the later added verse structure :-

Rev 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years , but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection, blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

the first resurrection [of the just] is rather obviously the resurrection of dead saints at Jesus' return and the death of Satan in this earth before the greatest part of the Great Tribulation in the end of this earth where all still sinners die and are destroyed [Matt 7:13] in the end of the earth and heavens [universe] in the wrath of God against all still sinners [no exceptions- only saints are taken by Jesus]

the second resurrection is of the unjust [all still sinners when Jesus returned] in the kingdom after the Millennium when all are freed from death and hell -Re 20:13- I really don't see how folks mix up these two resurrections , but they do, no reason to follow them in their mistake though... is there ?

See a pattern here, strangertoo, lol,

I'm afraid you should wait for the response before coming to conclusions... your mistake is to follow sinners instead of reading scripture with God as your only guide... it was NEVER gonna not deceive you , and it's hard going back to find one's mistakes, easier by far to wait for God and spirit baptism...Cos' God kows all the answers, but He won't push them on anyone who wants to insist he knows better and so won't listen to God until death has freed him from sin to start afresh to accept that God is Love, not sin... sin is just lies turned into hurt ... God lets it find out this Truth the hard way if it won't be told it is MISTAKEN... matters NOT that almsot all men accept Satan as God in this earth , Jesus saves enough to build the kngdom i which countless many are later saved , before Satan and his cohorts finally give up in the lake of fire...

all accept Jesus as king eventually, matters not what sinners say in the meantime, naught can stop God doing all His pleasure, and his pleasure is that even the wicked RETURN to Love

Ezekiel 33:11 ... As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live ...

this thousand years keeps popping up. How is it that you miss this? It helps to establish a timeline for the sequence of events. Now let us recap what we have seen

You are mistaken, I quite agree with you on this, but you have made other mistakes by carelessly following sinners without checking every word of God to see the mistakes ... but seriously it is MUCH easier to use your energy to stop sinning so God can get a word in edgewise and tell one how it is in FACT... 100% pure Truth from Him direct, at least as much as one can bear to hear [the TRUTH about oneself comes first and that is far from easy to accept except for the very meek and humble ... it is enough to kill most men when facing God, nearly killed me because I was unready , never been so close to death for so long in my whole life , three days barely alive...]

The First Resurrection refers to the type of resurrection the Tribulation Martyrs receive. It is not the "first" resurrection, as we have at the very least the resurrection and rapture of the Two Witnesses in ch.11. This is why the second death has no power on them, as they are glorified.

I hope somewhat you may now see that the first resurrection is indeed the resurrection of dead saints in this earth at the death of Satan and return of Jesus before the Millennium and before the worst part of the tribulation which ends in the end of this universe... destruction of ALL still sinners at Jesus' return

And again...they reign a thousand years with Christ. This means that Christ will rule on earth for a thousand years. Fairly simple to reach the conclusion there will be a thousand years in here somewhere...right? lol

it's not possible to make these mistakes unless one listens to sinners led by Satan who really wants this whole thing confused so that he can appear as 'God-with-us' having taken over all nations, all governments. all religions on this earth...

what you didn't notice perhaps is that Jesus does not have a kingdom in this earth [save in hearts and minds of a very few saints , around two thousand alive at any one time]

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Despite the fact that Christ is ruling and reigning upon the earth, when Satan is loosed, he will gather the wicked, those that have rejected Christ's rule, and we see he will gather them to battle. Their primary objective?
Jerusalem:
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Their campaign is short lived, and an ignominious end. They are consumed by fire from Heaven. Now go back to ch.19 and realize that this is not the same event.

Also pay close attention that at this point...there is no New Jerusalem present upon the earth.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

New Jerusalem is formed, holy, at the beginning of the new earth and this is the marriage of the Lamb, Jesus ...it's not in this earth...

the war with Satan is still a thousand years away after the beginning of the new earth kingdom in New Jerusalem ... the many sinners of this earth are all resurrected from hell and death -Rev 20:13- after the thousand years of peace in the kingdom with no sinners, no Satan, until later

the saints NEVER LEAVE New Jerusalem in the thousand years or after [until all creation is saved by accepting Jesus' rule by LAW of Love with 'rod of iron [unbendable, no sin allowed under penalty of a second death to take one out of the equation until after 'judgement' day, salvation of the many -Rev 7:9-10]

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.