dollarsbill
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Which opens the door for us to believe whatever, rather than what God said.
And I don't dispute that.
The YLT agrees that eternal life and eternal punishment are the same, NEVER ending.
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Christians are resurected to eternal by Jesus Christ. Please don't forget this biblical fact. So Christians don't cease to exist when they die.
But the wicked are said to "be no more". If the wicked received everlasting life in order to be tortured in hell, God would not have said the wicked are no more.
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I do believe Jesus. Please don't say that I don't believe Jesus. Some fool might believe you. (I'm not actually calling anyone a fool here, okay?)
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Not for Christians, it doesn't. After they die and are resurrected, Christians have eternal life.
But the wicked will perish and will be no more, so they will cease to exist.
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But life and punishment are not the same.
Eternal life means life that never ends.
Eternal punishment means a punishment that never ends. Destruction is a punishment that never ends, After a person is destroyed there is not a time when they become undestroyed, it is eternal. They are eternally non-existant. "The wicked will perish and will be no more".
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Did I say the wicked will have everlasting peace? No, I did not say the wicked will have everlasting peace. How could they possibly have everlasting peace based on what I said? They will be dead. That is not peace. That is losing the war, and winding up dead. They will have everlasting death. This shows a basic misunderstanding of the biblical position.
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dollarsbill
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Opinions are not Scripture. The righteous and the wicked will continue to live forever after death.
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dollarsbill
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It is indeed everlasting peace, no problems, no sickness, no hunger, no sorrow, and on and on... but it ain't gonna happen.
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That is not scripture. That's an opinion, and it is not scriptural. The wicked will not continue to live forever after death. I've shown the scriptures that say the wicked perish and will be no more. Thsi is not "my opinion", this is what the bible specifically says. This is not a matter of opinion. This is a matter of reading the bible and accepting that what it says is true.
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dollarsbill
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No Scriptural proof has been offered other than the wicked die physically.
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Peace is not one side being dead and the other side being alive.
Is the gopher at peace with the eagle who kills it?
If North Korea drops a nuclear bomb on America and kills every American, are we at peace with North Korea?
Words have meaning. A person can't simply declare that destruction is peace, death is life, eternal life is death, destruction is non destruction, perish means to never die, black is white, up is down, death is life, squirrels are antelope,
and still expect to be take seriously.
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And I've proven that the bible says they cease to exist and never will exist again. Please don't forget that.
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Sigh. Psalm 37:20
But the wicked will perish: The LORD's enemies will be like the beauty of the fields, they will vanish--vanish like smoke.
I've given the proof many times.
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dollarsbill
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Which is obviously referring to their physical deaths.
Rev 20
"They will be tormented day and night forever and ever".
Vague OT does not overrule perfectly clear NT.
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It isn't only referring to their physical deaths. It is referring to their complete deaths. Read verse 10: "the wicked will be no more."
It isn't vague, it is perfectly clear. Apocalyptic literature doesn't override the rest of scripture. It doesn't even disagree with it, Revelation says that the lake of fire is the second death. Not eternal torture.
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dollarsbill
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Again no proof. The second death does not mean cease to exist. It is the Lake of Fire where they will be "tormented day and night forever and ever".
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