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Hell Isn't Necessary
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I can understand why someone would not want to believe in a Hell....I mean who likes to think about it? Yes God is Love and He doesn't send people to Hell. People chose to live with or without God. He did everything to reconcile man to Him...all we have to do is have faith in Him. I think God is very loving due to the fact I know I deserved Hell ...... even though I treated people good and etc...I still did things that wasn't pleasing to a PERFECT God. God is Just..........But He died for us, He is PERFECT but still took the place of sinful man so we could live with Him Forever.......I don't know any greater love than that. I admit I have troubles with the hell issue and hate to think of people who lived good lives going to such of a place. But God's thoughts are not ours, I trust him enough to believe He knows what He is doing...and what He does is 100% GOOD!
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Hi Ken,
Lk 3:38 - "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."
The first man Adam is called the son of God.
Therefore all God's progeny is directly related to him.
Apparently, the knowledge of who the progeny of God truly are, has been greatly misunderstood.
It's hard for a lot of people to believe, that all of mankind, actually came from God, therefore we ALL.....yep, ALL are His progeny.
And the good Shepherd, will leave the 99 and go out and find the lost sheep.
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Lk 3:38 - "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."
The first man Adam is called the son of God.
Therefore all God's progeny is directly related to him.
Apparently, the knowledge of who the progeny of God truly are, has been greatly misunderstood.
It's hard for a lot of people to believe, that all of mankind, actually came from God, therefore we ALL.....yep, ALL are His progeny.
And the good Shepherd, will leave the 99 and go out and find the lost sheep.
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It amazes me how some people can so easily exalt themselves above the authority of God and not realize it. They seem to think they set the standard, and if God doesn't measure up to it, then He isn't loving, merciful or glorious.
These people need to learn one thing: we don't make the rules.
Make that two things: it's not about us.
When we say "If God does this, then He isn't merciful," we are judging God according to our idea of mercy, when God Himself is the God of mercy, created mercy and therefore DEFINES mercy.
When we say "If God does that, then He isn't loving," we forget that GOD IS LOVE. God DEFINES love - our concept of love does not define God. If you think we humans have a good handle on the love thing, I present today's world as evidence you are wrong.
Syllogisms like the ones presented in above posts claim that God is "this" or "that" because He doesn't fit OUR criteria. Does everyone realize how backward this is? To do this is to claim authority over God and scripture.
In an effort to make my post relevant to the original topic, it was the exalting of himself above God that got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.
Think about it.
These people need to learn one thing: we don't make the rules.
Make that two things: it's not about us.
When we say "If God does this, then He isn't merciful," we are judging God according to our idea of mercy, when God Himself is the God of mercy, created mercy and therefore DEFINES mercy.
When we say "If God does that, then He isn't loving," we forget that GOD IS LOVE. God DEFINES love - our concept of love does not define God. If you think we humans have a good handle on the love thing, I present today's world as evidence you are wrong.
Syllogisms like the ones presented in above posts claim that God is "this" or "that" because He doesn't fit OUR criteria. Does everyone realize how backward this is? To do this is to claim authority over God and scripture.
In an effort to make my post relevant to the original topic, it was the exalting of himself above God that got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.
Think about it.
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As an orthodox Christian, I do believe that hell exists, but I really hope that I'm wrong in the end. I want evil to be destroyed, but I don't want anyone to suffer. I trust God, though, to be completely loving and just, and the decision is completely up to him.
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Because there are certain people who are not submissive to the One True God.
Jesus was not commisioned by God, he is God.
If you are implying there is no hell, Jesus says there is a Hell. He says it in Matthew 5:29-30, 18:9.
Well, didn't Jesus say repent and be baptized or you will go to a place were there will be weeping and nashing of teeth?
It is entirely neccesary. If we all went to without the acceptance of Christ, why did he come? Those who hate him burn forever, those who love him don't.
They are not unrelated. God created hell as a prison. Is a place of chains and darkness. Chain imply prison. God created all things, were did hell come from?
You are right he does not want any to burn, but that does not change that people do. Jesus is clear who goes to Hell, those who do not honor him and his father perish. They do not enter the kindgom. It is one thing to never hear the Gospel, but another for Satanists and others who know who Jesus is.
I do not like the fact of Hell either but it is real.
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Unfortunately to those who have heard the truth, but havent accepted it into their life, Hell is necessary. In Romans 8 Paul states that God has given us a conscience, we should KNOW that there is a God out there, naturally.
What Jesus did for us on the cross gets us into heaven, as long as we accept it.
Hell is a reality, but not a harsh reality - if you know the way out then it is your own fault if you get sent there.
For those who use hell as a means to make disciples fear, I do not agree with this. But I myself fear hell. NOONE, NOT ONE OF US, NOT EVEN THE BEST MIND, THE BEST SCHOLAR, here can even begin to grasp the concept of hell - eternal damnation. Eternity without the prescence of God... Its difficult.
God Bless, metal.
What Jesus did for us on the cross gets us into heaven, as long as we accept it.
Hell is a reality, but not a harsh reality - if you know the way out then it is your own fault if you get sent there.
For those who use hell as a means to make disciples fear, I do not agree with this. But I myself fear hell. NOONE, NOT ONE OF US, NOT EVEN THE BEST MIND, THE BEST SCHOLAR, here can even begin to grasp the concept of hell - eternal damnation. Eternity without the prescence of God... Its difficult.
God Bless, metal.
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I think both sides of this issue have good points. The sad thing is that many people believe something just because that is what they were brought up to believe. And it is also sad that some people interpret the bible to fit their beliefs, instead of interpreting their beliefs with the bible.
Which ever side you are on, here is a question for you...Did you ever go to the Bible and say, "I am going to prove, one way or another, with out bias, which side is right...if any.
Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things;
Which ever side you are on, here is a question for you...Did you ever go to the Bible and say, "I am going to prove, one way or another, with out bias, which side is right...if any.
Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things;
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alright since noone has answered your question aj, I shall try. You refer to the ones that have not heard the gospel, the heathens. While it is true that God says he reveals himself to all in his works(Romans 1:19-20), we do not know everhthing. God has not fully revealed his plan(Deuteronomy29:29). Probably the most widely accepted belief is that these people will be judjed by how they have lived by their own and their society's moral standard. We were born with a conscience, and all peoples have had an idea of what is right and wrong. Read Romans 2:12-16, it talks about this. We who know God know he is just and that he would not just banish people into Hell without hearing of the Truth. He may give heathens another chance after death, we do not know. so, that's about the best answer you can get. You may say, well thats all conjecture, but you sound like a person who would say that of any truth. Do not be stubborn, give in and let go of yourself. The rest of us don't know everything, I do not know everything, in fact I know nothing except the few facts that God has given me about only a few(very, very few) things in life. and I am content. If you truly WANT to seek God, I guarantee you will find him.
I got most of my ideas from Paul E. Little and from his book "How to Give Away Your Faith"
Soli Deo Gloria!
I got most of my ideas from Paul E. Little and from his book "How to Give Away Your Faith"
Soli Deo Gloria!
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TrinityHerself said:
First of all, Jesus is God.
Second, did you know that Jesus taught about Hell as a real place?
First, because Jesus taught that there is a Hell.
Second, people do not go to Hell for "opposing our message", people go to Hell for dying in their sins. God has extended an offer of reconciliation to everyone. If someone chooses not to take that offer, it's their fault, not God's.
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Revelation 20
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 14
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Luke 16
22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 "And he cried out and said, ' Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
25 "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
God is just, He is 100% just , therefore He cannot leave sin and disobedience umpunished, there has to be death if there is sin, in the case of believers Jesus has paid the price for us, He took an eternity worth of suffering so we can be in His presence for eternity, but we must repent and accept that gift.
Then the "what about the guy in Africa who never heard about Jesus" question raises, well, God reveals Himself to all, thru creation, thru dreams and visions, thru His Holy Spirit, He is Just, so if there is a desire to know this God in the heart of the perso who God has revealed Himself to, God will provide a way for that person to learn aobut Jesus, He will send missionaries, a plane will crash, someone will get lost and end up there. We were all created in the image of God, therefore we know right and wrong.
Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse
Pay attention to verse 20, it says that God reveals Himself, being understood through what has been made. That frase what has been made reffers to creation, us, so we are without excuse.
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 14
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Luke 16
22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 "And he cried out and said, ' Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
25 "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
God is just, He is 100% just , therefore He cannot leave sin and disobedience umpunished, there has to be death if there is sin, in the case of believers Jesus has paid the price for us, He took an eternity worth of suffering so we can be in His presence for eternity, but we must repent and accept that gift.
Then the "what about the guy in Africa who never heard about Jesus" question raises, well, God reveals Himself to all, thru creation, thru dreams and visions, thru His Holy Spirit, He is Just, so if there is a desire to know this God in the heart of the perso who God has revealed Himself to, God will provide a way for that person to learn aobut Jesus, He will send missionaries, a plane will crash, someone will get lost and end up there. We were all created in the image of God, therefore we know right and wrong.
Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse
Pay attention to verse 20, it says that God reveals Himself, being understood through what has been made. That frase what has been made reffers to creation, us, so we are without excuse.
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It is never a good idea to throw "You are going to Hell!" in anyone's face as a means to evangelize. This is truly a bad PR move. This can be a very scary thing. With that said, Hell is a reality and it should not be dismissed.
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Let's rearrange your thinking here for a moment.
Isaiah 33:14 "the sinners of Zion are afraid, fearfulness hath surpassed the hyprocrites, who amoung us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who amoung us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?" I hope to be. Isaiah 33:15
We need to prepare ourselves to meet the Lord when he returns. We need to understand that God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29 Deut 4:24 "a fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about." Ps 66:12 We shall be glad and rejoice for we see this fire at His Coming not as the day of His Wrath but the Day of Our Redemption.
Like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, Dan 3:25 we will dwell in the midst of the fire forever with our God. Isaiah 42:25 Rev 21:22 Saved by fire 1 Cor 3:15. We have that beautiful promise "when thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned, neither shall the flame kindle upon thee." Isaiah 43:2
The importance of baptism by fire, is the work of the Holy Spirit. It is just a sample of the cleansing by fire done seven times in all of us before the Second Coming. "I am come to send fire on the earth, and what will I, if it be already kindled?" Luke 12:49
Sins are consumed by fire and all the wicked that are attached to their sins are also consumed."as wax before the fire," Micah 1:4 " bring forth fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee" Ezekial 28:18. 11 Thess 1:8
The importance of repentance and purfication before the coming of the Lord can not be stressed enough. Ps 97:3 Joel 2:3 Zech 2:5 1 Peter 1:7 "tried by the fire.."
"..the fire that never shall be quenched...the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:43-49 "fire unquenchable" Luke 3:17 Knowing God is in the midst of the fire and it will not be quenched, we need our hearts to want to be with Him, to dwell where He dwells forever.
We have not wanted to be in Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego's position up to this point, fearing fire. Fear not, for God is with thee in the midst of the fire. Study what type of God everyone in the Bible saw, felt, experienced and understood. Ezekiel 8:2 for example. Get a feel for what experience you would be in for if the Holy Spirit decended upon you tonight. Acts 2:3 Pray for Jesus to teach you true repentance as only he knows the depth of sin. Trust him who will lead you to a closer experience with God that without you will never understand the depth of knowledge and wisdom of God and length that Satan will go to destroy your connection with God.
See God in a new light.
"Each man's work will become manifest for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done." 1Cor 3:13 Nahum 1:6 "who can stand before his indigination? and who can abide in the fireceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him." Sounds like Rev 6:16-17
Ps 66:12 "Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads; we went though fire and water: but thou broughtest us out into a weathly place." We may die, but we have the promise of the ressurection on the last day and the home in heaven with God. " I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Rev 15:2
Ps 57:4 "My soul is among lions: and I lie even amoung them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongues a sharp sword." Only the Lord can give Words of God that are sharp as swords cutting to the truth of the matter.
Have faith so strong that when the Lord comes, with all fire and damnation, it washes over you in review and redemption; for you have gone before the Lord and opened the Book of Your Life and Jesus has covered your sins with His blood and you go out and sin no more by the grace of God.
Isaiah 33:14 "the sinners of Zion are afraid, fearfulness hath surpassed the hyprocrites, who amoung us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who amoung us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?" I hope to be. Isaiah 33:15
We need to prepare ourselves to meet the Lord when he returns. We need to understand that God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29 Deut 4:24 "a fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about." Ps 66:12 We shall be glad and rejoice for we see this fire at His Coming not as the day of His Wrath but the Day of Our Redemption.
Like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, Dan 3:25 we will dwell in the midst of the fire forever with our God. Isaiah 42:25 Rev 21:22 Saved by fire 1 Cor 3:15. We have that beautiful promise "when thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned, neither shall the flame kindle upon thee." Isaiah 43:2
The importance of baptism by fire, is the work of the Holy Spirit. It is just a sample of the cleansing by fire done seven times in all of us before the Second Coming. "I am come to send fire on the earth, and what will I, if it be already kindled?" Luke 12:49
Sins are consumed by fire and all the wicked that are attached to their sins are also consumed."as wax before the fire," Micah 1:4 " bring forth fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee" Ezekial 28:18. 11 Thess 1:8
The importance of repentance and purfication before the coming of the Lord can not be stressed enough. Ps 97:3 Joel 2:3 Zech 2:5 1 Peter 1:7 "tried by the fire.."
"..the fire that never shall be quenched...the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:43-49 "fire unquenchable" Luke 3:17 Knowing God is in the midst of the fire and it will not be quenched, we need our hearts to want to be with Him, to dwell where He dwells forever.
We have not wanted to be in Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego's position up to this point, fearing fire. Fear not, for God is with thee in the midst of the fire. Study what type of God everyone in the Bible saw, felt, experienced and understood. Ezekiel 8:2 for example. Get a feel for what experience you would be in for if the Holy Spirit decended upon you tonight. Acts 2:3 Pray for Jesus to teach you true repentance as only he knows the depth of sin. Trust him who will lead you to a closer experience with God that without you will never understand the depth of knowledge and wisdom of God and length that Satan will go to destroy your connection with God.
See God in a new light.
"Each man's work will become manifest for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done." 1Cor 3:13 Nahum 1:6 "who can stand before his indigination? and who can abide in the fireceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him." Sounds like Rev 6:16-17
Ps 66:12 "Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads; we went though fire and water: but thou broughtest us out into a weathly place." We may die, but we have the promise of the ressurection on the last day and the home in heaven with God. " I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Rev 15:2
Ps 57:4 "My soul is among lions: and I lie even amoung them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongues a sharp sword." Only the Lord can give Words of God that are sharp as swords cutting to the truth of the matter.
Have faith so strong that when the Lord comes, with all fire and damnation, it washes over you in review and redemption; for you have gone before the Lord and opened the Book of Your Life and Jesus has covered your sins with His blood and you go out and sin no more by the grace of God.
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Ok so if hell isn't necessary then why is it there? I know that seems like a silly question but hey I thought I would ask considering it is in the Bible and even someone that is sola scriptura can't deny that it is.
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