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[Mayflower1]

I don't know. How many horses did he have?

 

[KerrMetric]

I don't know. How many horses did he have?

It says 4000 in one verse and 40000 in another. It is a an error through copying probably. Utterly of no importance EXCEPT it shows scripture is not error free. Many of the genealogies have similar errors.

 

[Mayflower1]

Oh, errors like that. Yeh, the messenger is man. Of course when man are sleepy that message is going to be a little typod!!!!

 

[KerrMetric]

There are no contradictions, show me an error. I believe what I believe.

Remember this post?

In other words you believe not based upon knowledge but by wish. First you say no errors then you accept there may be typos?

Duh, which is it?

 

[Mayflower1]

I wasn't sure what you meant by errors.

Duh.

 

[KerrMetric]

Well there are other kinds too like the silly genetics argument in Genesis about planting sticks in the ground to induce striped animal births. That's not a copy error it is 3000 year ago Jewish stupidity about genetics.

The Bible is a spiritual guide - it's a load of crap as a science and history text book.

 

[NPH]

Oh, errors like that. Yeh, the messenger is man. Of course when man are sleepy that message is going to be a little typod!!!!

So God could inspire people to write his perfect truth, but he can't inspire them to stay awake?

Wait a minute, that actually sounds like church as I remember it

 

[Mayflower1]

Lol. It does sound a little bit about church. The greek word for inspiration is "breathed out." The people today who made translations from the Greek and Hebrew weren't the same people who were actually used by God to get His message across. Man have a choice to let God use them or be controlled by the flesh.

And please don't call the Bible that. It is more then a history text to me, and I don't like people calling it that. God's word is God.

 

[Caphi]

The greek word for inspiration is "breathed out."

Actually, "breathed out" is neither Greek nor is it a word. And "inspire" derives from Latin, it means to breathe IN (the word for breathing out is "expire").

I'm waiting for you to provide any kind of evidence for the rest of your post.

 

[corvus_corax]

God's word is God.

Are you calling the Bible "God's word"?

Be very careful with that (especially given your statement above)

 

[MrGoodBytes]

And please don't call the Bible that. It is more then a history text to me, and I don't like people calling it that. God's word is God.

Nobody on this forum objects if you think that the Bible is a divinely inspired text of wisdom about metaphysics, morality and the likes. I personally do not have any of your beliefs, but I accept that you find truth and comfort in them and that's that.

However, if you begin to take the Bible as a sort of "History of the Near Middle East Volume 1: 4004 B.C to 100 A.D", you're on thin ice. There are contradictions galore, like Solomons horse stalls. There are obvious absurdities, like the striped sticks Kerr Metric mentioned. There is jewish folklore and superstition, like the healing of leprosy with dove blood, or the fact that menstruating women are regarded as unclean.

Again, none of these matter in the slightest in regard to the spiritual validity of the Bible, if you accept that it was written by fallible men , without ruling out the possibility of divine inspiration.

Hope this helps.

 

[awstar]

It says 4000 in one verse and 40000 in another. It is a an error through copying probably. Utterly of no importance EXCEPT it shows scripture is not error free. Many of the genealogies have similar errors.

scripture was without error when it was inspired, but error was introduced through time, just as with any information source - like our DNA which was perfect when God wrote it in Adam, but degenerated over time. This would be two examples of scientific observation -- but evol scientists declare that information actually gets better than its original creation over time. Yet wonder why Creationist -- end evidently even themselves - per OP link think this theory is "stupendously improbable"

we still get by with our DNA inspite of its imperfection -- and we can still be born again through faith in the Bible's truth. But when we start hosing around with either because we rely on our own understanding instead of God's word -- we're doomed.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

scripture was without error when it was inspired, but error was introduced through time, just as with any information source - like our DNA which was perfect when God wrote it in Adam, but degenerated over time. This would be two examples of scientific observation -- but evol scientists declare that information actually gets better than its original creation over time. Yet wonder why Creationist -- end evidently even themselves - per OP link think this theory is "stupendously improbable"

we still get by with our DNA inspite of its imperfection -- and we can still be born again through faith in the Bible's truth. But when we start hosing around with either because we rely on our own understanding instead of God's word -- we're doomed.

How is DNA degenerated?

 

[Mayflower1]

Oh, sorry, I mean the greek word for inspiration MEANS breathed out. Lol. I can't spell Greek. Sorry about that. Latin and Greek is a little different. As a music major, I study a variety of languages and I also discuss it with my preacher who has studied Greek for a number of years.

Here is the verse: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." II Timothy 3:16-17

"All scripture is "breathed out" by God. "breathed in" wouldn't make sense here. Greek is a little different then Latin. Much more difficult I must say...

Kerrmetric, please give me chapter and verses so I can check that out. I haven't seen that part in the Bible before and I would like to see what you are talking about. I have found no errors like that in the Bible nor have I found any contradictions, though some can be mistaken for contradictions.

And Caphi, which post are you talking about that I need to present evidence for?

 

[Garnett]

scripture was without error when it was inspired, but error was introduced through time, just as with any information source - like our DNA which was perfect when God wrote it in Adam, but degenerated over time. This would be two examples of scientific observation -- but evol scientists declare that information actually gets better than its original creation over time. Yet wonder why Creationist -- end evidently even themselves - per OP link think this theory is "stupendously improbable"

we still get by with our DNA inspite of its imperfection -- and we can still be born again through faith in the Bible's truth. But when we start hosing around with either because we rely on our own understanding instead of God's word -- we're doomed.

Right, so let me get this straight - the Bible's right except where you don't like it or where you can understand the science behind why the position you would otherwise have to adopt interpreting it literally makes you look stupid, and there it's had errors introduced. That sounds like a mighty convenient text on which to base any prejudices or lobbying to make sure things are the way you like them.

 

[Mayflower1]

Are you calling the Bible "God's word"?

Be very careful with that (especially given your statement above)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1

 

[corvus_corax]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1

You evaded the question

 

[Caphi]

And Caphi, which post are you talking about that I need to present evidence for?

The bit where you associate the Bible with your deity. First of all, you have no evidence that the Bible is anything but a book about a bunch of Mediterranean people, one of who went around telling people to be nice. Second, you have no evidence that your deity exists. Third, you have no evidence that your deity was party to the writing of the mentioned book. And fourth, you have no evidence that even if your deity was party to the authoring of the book, the deity is to be trusted. Your God is a selfish, jealous, vindictive brat, and I don't like taking the word of brats on anything short of clear evidence.

 

[Mayflower1]

Nobody on this forum objects if you think that the Bible is a divinely inspired text of wisdom about metaphysics, morality and the likes. I personally do not have any of your beliefs, but I accept that you find truth and comfort in them and that's that.

However, if you begin to take the Bible as a sort of "History of the Near Middle East Volume 1: 4004 B.C to 100 A.D", you're on thin ice. There are contradictions galore, like Solomons horse stalls. There are obvious absurdities, like the striped sticks Kerr Metric mentioned. There is jewish folklore and superstition, like the healing of leprosy with dove blood, or the fact that menstruating women are regarded as unclean.

Again, none of these matter in the slightest in regard to the spiritual validity of the Bible, if you accept that it was written by fallible men , without ruling out the posibility of divine inspiration.

Hope this helps.

Since I have been talking on the debate forums here, you'll have told me I need to open up my mind to possibilities. I have tried to that. Now though I must tell you the same, that you must open up your mind to the possibility of a divinely inspired text of wisdom if you are to ever understand my side to this. It is hard to do that, once you have put your heart into something. I say that because it has been nearly impossible for me to see you'lls side of the matter. Possibly you will never be able to see it but you have a chance if you turn to God and ask for the wisdom to understand, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed.

 

[Mayflower1]

The bit where you associate the Bible with your deity. First of all, you have no evidence that the Bible is anything but a book about a bunch of Mediterranean people, one of who went around telling people to be nice. Second, you have no evidence that your deity exists. Third, you have no evidence that your deity was party to the writing of the mentioned book. And fourth, you have no evidence that even if your deity was party to the authoring of the book, the deity is to be trusted. Your God is a selfish, jealous, vindictive brat, and I don't like taking the word of brats on anything short of clear evidence.

Caphi, what is deity? Again, you'll offend me by insulting my Father. You cannot do that. It isn't right. What good is it doing you to insult me. In the past, I rolled over like a dog because of circumstances in the past where I let my dad walk over me. No more!!!! My evidence is eternal, the truth, and you will know one day by God Himself. Faith is my evidence. I believe for that is what the Bible tells me and I believe every single morsle of it. The Bible is a Christian's evidence and if you don't believe it because you are too blind to see, then I can't help that.