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Since Christians aren't obligated to the covenant given to Israel alone, they can't violate it. There's no sin (violation).
This is done daily not just one day a week.
No its not because God swore the Jews would not enter His creation rest. They observed sabbath every saturday, so this cant be the same one God swore they wouldnt enter. You see?
Since Christians aren't obligated to the covenant given to Israel alone, they can't violate it. There's no sin (violation).
Im referring to Hebrews which is NC doctrine, not the OC doctrine you are asking about.Could you please cite Exodus 20:8-11, the 4th Commandment, and underline the places in the commandment which speak of days, and tell me how many days the Commandment covers?
So you think Hebrews chapter 4 is a command to rest on Saturday and only Saturday (Or is it Sunday?). I disagree but thank you for your reply.Actually they (who came out of Egypt) didn't, since the Law of God, thus the sabbath of the LORD, is spiritual, and they were carnally minded (Exodus 16:28). They continually broke the commandment (see Numbers 15; Nehemiah 9; Ezekiel 20; Isaiah 58 and more, and entered not in because of unbelief (and whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23), and sin is the transgression of the Law; 1 John 3:4). Thus it "remaineth" "from the foundation of the world" that some must still enter into God's "(my) rest".
"saturday" is pagan time (midnight to midnight).
The sabbath (rest) of the LORD God is from even to even, being the 7th day.
So you think Hebrews chapter 4 is a command to rest on Saturday and only Saturday (Or is it Sunday?). I disagree but thank you for your reply.
Hebrews is citing tons of OT, especially Hebrews 8, which is directly citing Jeremiah 31:31-34, in Hebrews 8:8-13.Im referring to Hebrews which is NC doctrine, not the OC doctrine you are asking about.
Ok thank you."Saturday" (Roman time, midnight to midnight) and "Sunday" (Roman time, midnight to midnight) are actually technically not correct. It is a false dichotomy. The 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD is from even to even (sunset to sunset).
For instance:
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The "evening" begins the day, as given by God.
"Even" is defined by scripture:
Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.
Therefore, "even" is when "the sun did set".
The scripture is even more specific, a few of the many examples I may cite yet still in future:
Genesis 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Genesis 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
Judges 19:9 And when the man rose up to depart, he, and his concubine, and his servant, his father in law, the damsel's father, said unto him, Behold, now the day draweth toward evening, I pray you tarry all night: behold, the day groweth to an end, lodge here, that thine heart may be merry; and to morrow get you early on your way, that thou mayest go home.
Judges 19:25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
Psalms 104:20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth.
Psalms 104:21 The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God.
Psalms 104:22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.
Psalms 104:23 Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.
John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
John 11:01 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
There are still more as needful.
Hebrews 3-4 is clear.
Hebrews 4:3, "my (God's) rest" and "the works were finished from the foundation of the world", which is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3. It even uses the word "finished". God rested the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3. It is His rest, the 7th day, the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God, Exodus 20:8-11.
Hebrews 4:4, "he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works", which "certain place" is Genesis 2:1-3; re-cited in Exodus 20:8-11. The 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.
Hebrews 4:5, "my (God's) rest)", citing Psalms 95, which is citing Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, etc. Again, this is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of God at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3.
Hebrews 4:6, "remaineth", from when? "from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3 and thus it is not new, but has been around from the beginning.
Hebrews 4:9, "rest", sabbatismos, literally and truly sabbath keeping in scripture and in all known extant Greek sources, dictionaries, and so on and again "remaineth".
Hebrews 4:10, "his (God's) rest", which is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God from Genesis 2:1-3., "as God did from his (works)", which "works were finished from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3.
Hebrews 4:11, "that rest" (ie God's rest), the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.
Look around by using the "search" option on Hebrews 3-4, and there is found even a whole thread on Hebrews 3 - 4 that seems to have been around awhile now that has gone into this in some considerable depth- Hebrews 3-4 [KJB], the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD JEHOVAH - "my rest" "remaineth" to My people.
You may of course disagree, as is your prerogative, but that is no evidence of being correct, nor of being defensible from (or foundational upon) scripture itself.
Hebrews 8:8 But God found fault with the people and said:Hebrews is citing tons of OT, especially Hebrews 8, which is directly citing Jeremiah 31:31-34, in Hebrews 8:8-13.
I would desire that you specifically define what you mean when you say, OC (old covenant).
The "old covenant" is not the whole OT (Genesis to Malachi). The "old covenant" is not even the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy or even with Joshua if preferred).
The "old covenant" is explicitly found in Exodus 19:8, and mentioned in Hebrews 8:6-9 ("promises", "fault", "them"), not the Ten Commandments (which are perfect promises of God without any fault), but rather the peoples promises to do "all" that the Lord asked them to do. They entered into covenant with God by agreement in Exodus 19.
The Ten Commandments are God's "my covenant", but are not the "old covenant" as per Romans 3:31; Jeremiah 31:33, etc.
There are many "covenants" in scripture, and people get them confused to their own hurt or destruction because they do not take the time to read carefully.
Enter in to God's rest is by trusting in the promise. The children of Israel were stiff necked and rebellious, in their hearts turned back to Egypt. The sin that followed was unavoidable. There's a lesson here for Christians, resting from the work of salvation results in the peacable fruits of righteousness, that is inevitable to.I see this scripture saying that we must repent of our evil works and do good works instead. This is done daily not just one day a week.
Hebrews 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
Thank you.Enter in to God's rest is by trusting in the promise. The children of Israel were stiff necked and rebellious, in their hearts turned back to Egypt. The sin that followed was unavoidable. There's a lesson here for Christians, resting from the work of salvation results in the peacable fruits of righteousness, that is inevitable to.
Hebrews 8:8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
I believe the Word of God. I just see it differently than you.The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT we not longer do animal sacrifices and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW are fulfilled in Christ and his mimistration as our great sacrifice and high Priest who ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hande. You mix up the shadow laws from that MOSAIC book of the covenant brother with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Enter in to God's rest is by trusting in the promise. The children of Israel were stiff necked and rebellious, in their hearts turned back to Egypt. The sin that followed was unavoidable. There's a lesson here for Christians, resting from the work of salvation results in the peacable fruits of righteousness, that is inevitable to.
I believe the Word of God. I just see it differently than you.
Is John 3:16-18 correct?The new covenant is made with Israel alone - where does the Bible say that the new covenant is with Christians who no longer need to obey God’s commandments?
Is John 3:16-18 correct?
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Im not breaking Gods commandment. There are things God wants me to do but resting isnt one of them.If we break God's Commandments when God asks us not to are we BELIEVING and FOLLOWING GOd's WORD? HEBREWS 3:6-19 warns us that those who do not enter into God's REST are those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. They did not enter into God's rest because of their UNBELIEF and SINS.
Im not breaking Gods commandment. There are things God wants me to do but resting isnt one of them.
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