Hebrew Christian

[annier]

The promise was made to Abraham not the fourth generation. Do you think the law concerning circumcision, the altar, ark of the covenant including the mercy seat should be obeyed by Jews and gentiles? Even Noah built an altar and offered burnt offering. Do you agree with Noah?

Again, the promises made to Abraham in the covenant made in Genesis 15 CONCERNED the fourth generation. Acts as well as Hebrews makes clear Abraham himself was given no inheritance via that covenant.
The covenant of circumcision was in force, or in operation before the covenant to the fourth generation was in operation or force.
Ex 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Ex 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

 

[mercy1061]

How are you reckoning the fourth generation Lulav?

Levi did not inherit with Israel. Nor was Levi counted among Israel.

Nu 1:49 Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel:

Nu 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service whichih they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Nu 18:23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.
Nu 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

De 10:9 Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD is his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him.

So, it would appear the covenant to the fourth generation was not a covenant concerning Israel as a priesthood, nor the Lord being an inheritance either. As Levi, had no inheritance or count among them.

The tribe of Levi was counted or numbered. Again you are making classic mistakes by those who Dishonor Torah. Reading torah and practicing Torah are not the same.

 

[annier]

The tribe of Levi was counted or numbered.

Why are your posts constantly mischaracterizing my comments? I never said the Levites were not counted.
Nu 1:49 Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel:
To which the comment
"As Levi, had no inheritance or count among them." Obviously spoke to their count among ISRAEL, as it did their inheritance was not among them either. I never said there was no count,

Again you are making classic mistakes by those who Dishonor Torah. Reading torah and practicing Torah are not the same.

I have made no such mistake as you claim. As your claims are not accurate at all. I would appreciate your posts to address what mine do say. But please cease from addressing my posts concerning things I have not said. Such things are what straw man arguments are made of.

 

[mercy1061]

I understand the tabernacle was built. If this is the semantics your post plays with, it is tiresome Mercy. A temple was built as well. Once the temple was built, the tabernacle was no longer needed. So I ask you again the same question. Please just a simple response.

Again, I quoted Torah to you.I was talking torah to you Mercy! What are you talking about? Genesis is Torah too you know.

There is a huge difference between the tabernacle and temple. The temple and tabernacle were not built the same way nor with the same materials. Of course it took much longer to build the temple. The temple was built as a more permanent dwelling, the tabernacle could be built more quickly , it was like a tent of meeting. Those priests who served in the tent understood that they were not permitted to eat from the altar. You kept asking me if the Jews need a temple to worship, I answered your question according to the question I was asked. If you meant to ask me if Jews need a tent to worship, you should have asked me concerning a tent. The jews have tents, and they do celebrate in their tents. Jews today have a tent of meeting. Pharisee Saul was a tentmaker.

 

[mercy1061]

Again, the promises made to Abraham in the covenant made in Genesis 15 CONCERNED the fourth generation. Acts as well as Hebrews makes clear Abraham himself was given no inheritance via that covenant.
The covenant of circumcision was in force, or in operation before the covenant to the fourth generation was in operation or force.
Ex 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Ex 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

The fourth generation kept the law concerning circumcision, like their father Abraham. Do you honor Torah, including circumcision on the 8th day, the altar, ark of the covenant. Noah built the ark, altar, offered burned offerings. Do you agree with Noah's covenant?

 

[mercy1061]

Why are your posts constantly mischaracterizing my comments? I never said the Levites were not counted.
Nu 1:49 Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel:
To which the comment
"As Levi, had no inheritance or count among them." Obviously spoke to their count among ISRAEL, as it did their inheritance was not among them either. I never said there was no count,

I have made no such mistake as you claim. As your claims are not accurate at all. I would appreciate your posts to address what mine do say. But please cease from addressing my posts concerning things I have not said. Such things are what straw man arguments are made of.

What does not counted among Israel mean in those days and today? You know Levi is counted by the angel according to Johns revelation. Levi is counted among his brethren by the angel with same exact number as the other tribes, totaling 144k.

 

[annier]

What does not counted among Israel mean in those days and today? You know Levi is counted by the angel according to Johns revelation. Levi is counted among his brethren by the angel with same exact number as the other tribes, totaling 144k.

So, you think the law is wrong ?

 

[mercy1061]

So, you think the law is wrong ?

I am questioning your understanding of a law that you do not keep. I asked you to explain the law concerning the Levi census or counting, you have failed to do so. I also asked you if you keep Noahs covenant pertaining to the ark, altar and burnt offering, rainbow, my question continue with no response or answer from you. You quote and post Torah but you do not practice Torah , so you do not understand Torah.

 

[mercy1061]

Why are your posts constantly mischaracterizing my comments? I never said the Levites were not counted.
Nu 1:49 Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel:
To which the comment
"As Levi, had no inheritance or count among them." Obviously spoke to their count among ISRAEL, as it did their inheritance was not among them either. I never said there was no count,

I have made no such mistake as you claim. As your claims are not accurate at all. I would appreciate your posts to address what mine do say. But please cease from addressing my posts concerning things I have not said. Such things are what straw man arguments are made of.

It is like a life insurance policy or a fathers will.

 

[Lulav]

How are you reckoning the fourth generation Lulav?

Levi did not inherit with Israel. Nor was Levi counted among Israel.

Nu 1:49 Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel:

Nu 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Nu 18:23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.
Nu 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

De 10:9 Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD is his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him.

So, it would appear the covenant to the fourth generation was not a covenant concerning Israel as a priesthood, nor the Lord being an inheritance either. As Levi, had no inheritance or count among them.

I was giving you a quick list of well known players to see there was more than 4 generations between Abraham and the going in. It was not about priesthood or inheritance, we were speaking about the generations.

 

[annier]

I was giving you a quick list of well known players to see there was more than 4 generations between Abraham and the going in.

Yes, I understand what you were getting at. The reckoning of his seed is not only genealogical it would seem.

It was not about priesthood or inheritance, we were speaking about the generations.

Well, I can see your point here about priesthood, but it certainly was about inheritance.

Here are some scripture teaching ideas to reckon the seed spoken of in Genesis 15.

Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Gal 3:16 is especially interesting to consider. The seed which is Christ, or an annointed seed.

Annointed seed

Isaac
Jacob
Joseph
Moses

 

[mercy1061]

Abraham

1. Isaac
2. Jacob
3. Levi
4. Kohath
5. Amram
6. Moses, Aaron, Miriam
7. Eleazar who went in with Joshua

Seems like more than four generations according to my count.

Yes indeed. Abraham Isaac Jacob Joseph, then 400 years of slavery.

 

[annier]

Yes, I understand what you were getting at. The reckoning of his seed is not only genealogical it would seem.

Well, I can see your point here about priesthood, but it certainly was about inheritance.

Here are some scripture teaching ideas to reckon the seed spoken of in Genesis 15.

Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Gal 3:16 is especially interesting to consider. The seed which is Christ, or an annointed seed.

Annointed seed

Isaac
Jacob
Joseph
Moses

It is interesting to note what generations acts 7 has to say.

7:6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.
8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.
9 And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,
10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.
11 Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance.
12 But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first.
13 And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph’s kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.
14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.
15 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers,
16 And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.
17 ¶ But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,
18 Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph.
19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.
20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father’s house three months: {exceeding fair: or, fair to God}
21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh’s daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.

So here we have
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses......

 

[mercy1061]

It is interesting to note what generations acts 7 has to say.

7:6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.
8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.
9 And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,
10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.
11 Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance.
12 But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first.
13 And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph’s kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.
14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.
15 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers,
16 And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.
17 ¶ But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,
18 Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph.
19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.
20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father’s house three months: {exceeding fair: or, fair to God}
21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh’s daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.

So here we have
Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses......

There are four generations between Levi and Moses.

 

[annier]

There are four generations between Levi and Moses.

My post spoke concerning these verses. The one seed, not the many.

Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

 

[mercy1061]

My post spoke concerning these verses. The one seed, not the many.

Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

I thought you spoke about the fourth generation earlier. Do you feel that this seed may grow into a family tree?

 

[annier]

I thought you spoke about the fourth generation earlier.

I have to wonder if you actually read peoples posts?

 

[mercy1061]

I have to wonder if you actually read peoples posts?

Question avoidance