Healing of the Great Schism ...

[everbecoming2007]

I know what you mean, and I did think the Tridentine Mass was beautiful, but I doubt that the forms of liturgy are are the top of the list of barriers...

This really surprises me. Having been formed in a traditional Anglican parish, I was scandalized by the new rite when I had the misfortune of experiencing it. And that's coming from a Protestant background. I would have thought the Orthodox would not like it, either.

 

[prodromos]

that's not gonna happen. we are way too different.

"ontologically different"

 

[prodromos]

I would have thought the Orthodox would not like it, either.

We can't really comment on what we haven't experienced.

 

[E.C.]

This really surprises me. Having been formed in a traditional Anglican parish, I was scandalized by the new rite when I had the misfortune of experiencing it. And that's coming from a Protestant background. I would have thought the Orthodox would not like it, either.

Ex-Roman Catholic turned Orthodox here...

So, when I finally really paid attention to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy (stepmom is Orthodox, we didn't get along when I was a teenager, therefore I didn't pay attention to "her" church. We're good today) and then went back to my Novus Ordo Mass, then saw some old film footage of the Tridentine Mass, I realized that whatever Pope John XXIII had hoped to accomplish with Vatican II had the opposite effect. I was no longer a fan of the Novus Ordo after that and that began my journey to Orthodoxy. The only time I will ever endure it again will be for weddings and funerals of Roman Catholic friends.

I know very few Orthodox who have been to a Catholic mass and even fewer who liked it. Trust me, with all the theological differences between us, it will be many generations before the Roman Catholic Church comes back home to Orthodoxy.

 

[JohnTh]

It seems like no one really knows whether this is true or not.

It is fake.

EP spoke about obedience, renunciation of the world, prayer - things like this. He was quite reserved and spoke only about monastic themes.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

 

[archer75]

This really surprises me. Having been formed in a traditional Anglican parish, I was scandalized by the new rite when I had the misfortune of experiencing it. And that's coming from a Protestant background. I would have thought the Orthodox would not like it, either.

What do you mean? Are you referring to the Tridentine Mass as the "new Rite"?

 

[everbecoming2007]

What do you mean? Are you referring to the Tridentine Mass as the "new Rite"?

No, I am referring to the Novus Ordo.

 

[archer75]

No, I am referring to the Novus Ordo.

I guess I misunderstood your post 41. It seemed you thought I had liked the Novus Ordo. Yes, I don't dig the NO, did like Tridentine. It was in Latin, but I expect I would have liked it even more in a dignified English.

 

[Euodius]

I decided on a positive approach for a thread title instead of titling it after this article.

Discussion?

Report: Patriarch Bartholomew Says Reunion with Catholic Church Is "Inevitable" | uCatholic

Start with the first question - "What is the nature of a longstanding schism?"

(I know St. Basil wrote of this question, but I haven't been able to get my hands on his writings about it. If anyone can help point me to it, I'd be thankful.)

I'll also say, 'reunion' is something that has been happening since the schism itself - as individuals, and sometime clerics and whole communities, have split from Rome and returned to Orthodoxy. Almost any Western convert to Orthodoxy has been a reunification of the Western Church with Orthodoxy.

Setting our sights on the reintegration of the Roman organization into the Church is not the same thing as reunion.

 

[Euodius]

The EP seems to want to drive the Church under the Roman Pope to be just another neglected group of Eastern Catholics.

As an ex-Roman Catholic myself, the Orthodox Church is far better off being Orthodox, and not under Rome. If Rome were to come home, that'd be a different story.

Nah, the EP doesn't care about driving the Church under the Roman Pope, because his friend 'Papa Francisco' cares about the reinvention of the Papacy (see the pontifical response to the WCC that was released during the Amazon Synod.) What it is, is a coordinated effort to destroy both visible churches for the modern secular order, to destroy the faith of believers, and ultimately the uniting of all world religions under a single leader for the sake of establishing a coherent 'information ecology.'

(Edit: The EP is a heretic, just like Athenagoras was before him, and serves the same master. This is particularly clear in the EP's identity as the Green Patriarch. While the Orthodox faith has a lot to say about stewardship, ecology, and the environment - the EP says nothing of it. Indeed, all that Pope Francis has said of the environment is taken from the EP - Laudato Si used the EP as a source, which is unheard of in the history of post-schism papal encyclicals. And from both we recieve a new gospel - a new evangelion - of ecological salvation through the United Nations. There is talk of sustainability and austerity (enforced poverty), but no talk of what it means to live within the human scale and in a human way. The damages on the world caused by our passions, but ultimately through the climate of commercialism is entirely unaddressed.)