He wants EVERYONE saved?

[OzSpen]

The people who translated the ESV know Greek. Are you saying that you know it better?

The translators of the NIV also know Greek. What's your point about knowledge of Greek as both NIV and ESV translators know the Greek language?

 

[98cwitr]

You can find the 10 commandments in the NT as well, whether implicitly or explicitly.

I came to think of something.

God chose the people of Israel (Deut. 7:6), yet many fell away, fell into idolatry etc.

Matthew 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

So true, and yet it is written that all of Israel will be saved:

Romans 11:26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

 

[Bluelion]

Matthew 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

So true, and yet it is written that all of Israel will be saved:

Romans 11:26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

Israel is the church not bloodline as some think, if your saved your a son or daughter of Abraham and Jacob. It was always by faith a person was considered part of the kingdom, Israel, that is where the Jews missed the mark they thought their blood gave them special rights. They were focus on the flesh not the spiritual. Blood is the kingdom of flesh, but surly some will say was Jesus blood of flesh, no we do not refer to his actual blood being poured over each of us, we do not drink His actual blood. It is spiritual referring to His life He gave. But Jews thought being born of Abraham bloodline gave them rights, but Abraham him self was counted righteous by faith. John the Baptist try to tell them when He said God could make sons and daughters of Abraham from these very stones.

all of Israel will be saved.

 

[Hammster]

The translators of the NIV also know Greek. What's your point about knowledge of Greek as both NIV and ESV translators know the Greek language?

Are you stalking me?

 

[Hammster]

No, but I will say the NIV seems more in line with what is actually written in Greek

1 John 3:9-12New International Version (NIV)

9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

So, then nobody is saved.

I guess I'll quit trying.

 

[98cwitr]

Israel is the church not bloodline as some think, if your saved your a son or daughter of Abraham and Jacob. It was always by faith a person was considered part of the kingdom, Israel, that is where the Jews missed the mark they thought their blood gave them special rights. They were focus on the flesh not the spiritual. Blood is the kingdom of flesh, but surly some will say was Jesus blood of flesh, no we do not refer to his actual blood being poured over each of us, we do not drink His actual blood. It is spiritual referring to His life He gave. But Jews thought being born of Abraham bloodline gave them rights, but Abraham him self was counted righteous by faith. John the Baptist try to tell them when He said God could make sons and daughters of Abraham from these very stones.

all of Israel will be saved.

agreed

So, then nobody is saved.

I guess I'll quit trying.

You don't know everyone. With man this is impossible, but if you think God can't make someone sinless you might be underestimating His power!

 

[Hammster]

agreed



You don't know everyone. With man this is impossible, but if you think God can't make someone sinless you might be underestimating His power!

No. Just understanding scripture. If God makes us perfect when born again, the bulk of the NT is pointless.

 

[98cwitr]

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

^^^Why would Christ say this? What do you define as "born again?"

Trust me dude...I will wholeheartedly admit that I sin every day, but I dont count myself "born again" either...and that reason is because I cannot find a loophole around these verses.

 

[Hammster]

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

^^^Why would Christ say this? What do you define as "born again?"

When God looks at me, I am perfect because of His Son. In fact, I'm seated at the right hand of God. Can't get a whole lot better than that.

 

[98cwitr]

So you're saying that there is a contradiction then...or maybe John is just plain wrong in then verses? Reconcile theses verses for me plz, because they seem crystal clear to me. I am not trying to be argumentative, but I don't see a loophole around these either so I am at an impasse.

The bulk of the NT is getting people to come to the Truth faithfully, not only to remain in it.

 

[Hammster]

So you're saying that there is a contradiction then...or maybe John is just plain wrong in then verses? Reconcile theses verses for me plz, because they seem crystal clear to me. I am not trying to be argumentative, but I don't see a loophole around these either so I am at an impasse.

The bulk of the NT is getting people to come to the Truth faithfully, not only to remain in it.

1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience-
3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved-
6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

That's being born again. We do nothing.

 

[98cwitr]

there were a lot of past tense verbs there Being born again comes in the verses to follow what you posted:

22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

5 1 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. 14 This is why it is said:

“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”

 

[Hammster]

Who made us alive when we were dead? If sinless perfection was in the cards, why any other verses about pure living?

 

[98cwitr]

Who made us alive when we were dead? If sinless perfection was in the cards, why any other verses about pure living?

If sinless perfection wasn't in the cards, 1 John 3:6-12, 5:18, and Hebrews 10:26 wouldnt be in Scripture at all.

God did, does, and will:

Here's why:

2 Corinthians 13:5

5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

It's about the elect being able to realize their assurance.

 

[Hammster]

If sinless perfection wasn't in the cards, 1 John 3:6-12, 5:18, and Hebrews 10:26 wouldnt be in Scripture at all.

God did, does, and will:

Here's why:

2 Corinthians 13:5

5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

It's about the elect being able to realize their assurance.

The who?

 

[OzSpen]

Are you stalking me?

That's your answer to my question:

The translators of the NIV also know Greek. What's your point about knowledge of Greek as both NIV and ESV translators know the Greek language?

So you have responded with a red herring logical fallacy, by providing a response that has no relation to the comment I gave.

 

[Hammster]

That's your answer to my question:


So you have responded with a red herring logical fallacy, by providing a response that has no relation to the comment I gave.

Not a red herring. A legit question. Should I be concerned? There's three threads I've participated in that you've sought out my posts. A bit creepy.

 

[Bluelion]

If sinless perfection wasn't in the cards, 1 John 3:6-12, 5:18, and Hebrews 10:26 wouldnt be in Scripture at all.

God did, does, and will:

Here's why:

2 Corinthians 13:5

5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

It's about the elect being able to realize their assurance.

it is impossible for us to be with out sin in these bodies as they have sin living in them as Paul said. We must take up our cross denie our desires and follow God daily. It is a daily battle. Are spirit is new of God and clean our flesh is filthy. We will be given new bodies to match our spirit. Even in the old covenant we were forgiven by faith, even the prophets sinned. That is brings glory to God is Jesus was the only one to fulfill the Law and not sin and it was written for that purpose that His glory would be seen.

Stop beating your self up. All have fallen short of the glory of God. Just say that you do not understand what John meant, but you have faith in God that when he says He saves you He has. Live out the two greatest commandments Love, and do you best not to sin, but if you do ask for forgiveness and get back up and try again.

 

[OzSpen]

Not a red herring. A legit question. Should I be concerned? There's three threads I've participated in that you've sought out my posts. A bit creepy.

You still don't get it when you commit a red herring fallacy. When you don't answer the issue I raised to which you responded and run off with your own line of thinking, you have committed a red herring logical fallacy.

That's exactly what you did.

 

[Hammster]

You still don't get it when you commit a red herring fallacy. When you don't answer the issue I raised to which you responded and run off with your own line of thinking, you have committed a red herring logical fallacy.

That's exactly what you did.

I had no intention of answering. I don't really care about what you said. I'm just wondering why you are stalking me.