He wants EVERYONE saved?

[98cwitr]

Did you guys look into the John verses I posted and correlate them to the Hebrews verse?

 

[Hammster]

Did you guys look into the John verses I posted?

For starters, John 8:11 is even canonical.

 

[98cwitr]

For starters, John 8:11 is even canonical.

Elaborate plz...and also address the 1 John verses if you'd please.

 

[Hammster]

1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

If you are born again, you won't make a practice of sinning. In other words, we will be convicted and will repent.

 

[98cwitr]

1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

If you are born again, you won't make a practice of sinning. In other words, we will be convicted and will repent.

What translation is that?

 

[Hammster]

What translation is that?

ESV.

 

[98cwitr]

Here's the Greek for 1 John 3:10: ἐν τούτῳ φανερά ἐστιν τὰ τέκνα τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τὰ τέκνα τοῦ διαβόλου: πᾶς ὁ μὴ ποιῶν δικαιοσύνην οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ, καὶ ὁ μὴ ἀγαπῶν τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ.

Where does "practice" come in?

I think this is the word you're looking for

ποιέω,v \{poy-eh'-o}
1) to make 1a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc. 1b) to be the authors of, the cause 1c) to make ready, to prepare 1d) to produce, bear, shoot forth 1e) to acquire, to provide a thing for one's self 1f) to make a thing out of something 1g) to (make i.e.) render one anything 1g1) to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that 1g2) to (make i.e.) declare one anything 1h) to put one forth, to lead him out 1i) to make one do something 1i1) cause one to 1j) to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about) 2) to do 2a) to act rightly, do well 2a1) to carry out, to execute 2b) to do a thing unto one 2b1) to do to one 2c) with designation of time: to pass, spend 2d) to celebrate, keep 2d1) to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover 2e) to perform: to a promise For Synonyms see entry 5871

EDIT: To aid you're point: To "keep" sin would be to never repent of it. But don't you and I both sin daily? How do we define "keep?"

 

[Avid]

...Where does "practice" come in?

This is a good question. Let us use the admissions that are laid out here from people who say they SIN. How often does one need to do something before they are practicing it?

If you try to keep up your golf game, tennis, or checkers, how often do you practice? Daily? Weekly? Monthly? If you try to keep up music or art skills, how often do you practice? How many times or how often do you need to do that skill to PRACTICE? If Music, that might be DAILY. If some athletic Game, that might be WEEKLY.

The verses in ESV that use the term PRACTICE (taking that at face value,) seem to set the PRACTICE of sin apart from an ACT of sin. What sin is it? Drinking too much? Let's just use that, and try to keep this PG Rated...

How often do you drink alcoholic beverages? Do you do that daily? Something you do daily or weekly, would you try to say you ARE NOT practicing that? Asked a fellow that tried to give me that "practicing" thing, "How many times he had to do something before it was practicing it." He was so angry, he left.

How often do you DRINK to the point you consider too much? Every week? If God does not want you doing it, ONE drink is too much. If you NEVER drink so much that you think it is a sin, you are likely to never count that as practicing or committing sin. Let me hear an example of what you consider SIN, and how many times or how often constitutes PRACTICING.

(We should keep it PG, so use EUPHEMISMS as necessary...)
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[Avid]

... I think this is the word you're looking for

ποιέω,v \{poy-eh'-o}

When you look at EACH word of this sort, you will get a clear picture that is different than what many present in Church. Look them up - it is time consuming, and a bit tedious.

I remember having this laid out for me in sermons many years ago. There is DO, PRACTICE, PERFORM, and ACCOMPLISH.

To REALLY look into the motive of the human heart, try this large book that treats the subject in detail. It was out of print 30 years ago when I was looking for it. A few years later, I found it, and bought TWO. Since then, I found the text of it, and it is here at the following link.

Human Nature in its Fourfold State
by Thomas Boston

http://www.achristianspirit.com/HumanNtr1.html

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[98cwitr]

This is a good question. Let us use the admissions that are laid out here from people who say they SIN. How often does one need to do something before they are practicing it?

If you try to keep up your golf game, tennis, or checkers, how often do you practice? Daily? Weekly? Monthly? If you try to keep up music or art skills, how often do you practice? How many times or how often do you need to do that skill to PRACTICE? If Music, that might be DAILY. If some athletic Game, that might be WEEKLY.

The verses in ESV that use the term PRACTICE (taking that at face value,) seem to set the PRACTICE of sin apart from an ACT of sin. What sin is it? Drinking too much? Let's just use that, and try to keep this PG Rated...

How often do you drink alcoholic beverages? Do you do that daily? Something you do daily or weekly, would you try to say you ARE NOT practicing that? Asked a fellow that tried to give me that "practicing" thing, "How many times he had to do something before it was practicing it." He was so angry, he left.

How often do you DRINK to the point you consider too much? Every week? If God does not want you doing it, ONE drink is too much. If you NEVER drink so much that you think it is a sin, you are likely to never count that as practicing or committing sin. Let me hear an example of what you consider SIN, and how many times or how often constitutes PRACTICING.

(We should keep it PG, so use EUPHEMISMS as necessary...)
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Cussing. Let's say you [hardcore] cuss on a daily basis...would you consider it "practicing?" I would...and I do!

 

[Avid]

There is always hope in this life...hope ends when life ends...

A couple of excellent books from great writers of the past. More spiritual truth in the title, and in the table of contents, than found in most sermons and books these days!

T H E
BARREN FIG-TREE;
OR,
THE DOOM AND DOWNFALL OF THE FRUITLESS PROFESSOR:
SHOWING, THAT THE DAY OF GRACE
MAY BE PAST WITH HIM
LONG BEFORE HIS LIFE IS ENDED;
THE SIGNS ALSO BY WHICH SUCH
MISERABLE MORTALS MAY BE KNOWN.

BY JOHN BUNYAN
London, 1688

http://achristianspirit.com/BarrenFig.html
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A Warning to Professors
Or
The GREAT GUILT OF THOSE WHO ATTEND
ON THE ORDINANCES OF DIVINE WORSHIP,
AND YET ALLOW THEMSELVES
IN ANY KNOWN WICKEDNESS
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by Jonathan Edwards
(1703–1758)

http://www.achristianspirit.com/Wicked.html
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[Avid]

Cussing. Let's say you [hardcore] cuss on a daily basis...would you consider it "practicing?" I would...and I do!

FIRST, I understand this issue, and am ready to explain this habit.

There are more important and less important things. The Socially Unacceptable ones may get us in trouble with MAN, but use of the LORD'S Name in vain is going to get us into immediate trouble with God.

The important thing is to be reverend with the use of God's name. Any form of it, even the OOPS! versions (JEEZ for Jesus, GOSH for God, LORDY, etc.) Try to address ANY such thing first, and realize that there is one of the Ten Commandments that deals with that specifically.

Exodus 20
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

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[Hammster]

Here's the Greek for 1 John 3:10: ἐν τούτῳ φανερά ἐστιν τὰ τέκνα τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τὰ τέκνα τοῦ διαβόλου: πᾶς ὁ μὴ ποιῶν δικαιοσύνην οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ, καὶ ὁ μὴ ἀγαπῶν τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ.

Where does "practice" come in?

I think this is the word you're looking for

ποιέω,v \{poy-eh'-o}
1) to make 1a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc. 1b) to be the authors of, the cause 1c) to make ready, to prepare 1d) to produce, bear, shoot forth 1e) to acquire, to provide a thing for one's self 1f) to make a thing out of something 1g) to (make i.e.) render one anything 1g1) to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that 1g2) to (make i.e.) declare one anything 1h) to put one forth, to lead him out 1i) to make one do something 1i1) cause one to 1j) to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about) 2) to do 2a) to act rightly, do well 2a1) to carry out, to execute 2b) to do a thing unto one 2b1) to do to one 2c) with designation of time: to pass, spend 2d) to celebrate, keep 2d1) to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover 2e) to perform: to a promise For Synonyms see entry 5871

EDIT: To aid you're point: To "keep" sin would be to never repent of it. But don't you and I both sin daily? How do we define "keep?"

I don't read Greek, so I have no idea what you posted.

 

[98cwitr]

FIRST, I understand this issue, and am ready to explain this habit.

There are more important and less important things. The Socially Unacceptable ones may get us in trouble with MAN, but use of the LORD'S Name in vain is going to get us into immediate trouble with God.

The important thing is to be reverend with the use of God's name. Any form of it, even the OOPS! versions (JEEZ for Jesus, GOSH for God, LORDY, etc.) Try to address ANY such thing first, and realize that there is one of the Ten Commandments that deals with that specifically.

Exodus 20
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

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Good advice...to play the advocate...aint the 10 commandments OT Law? Christ said all sins of the man will be forgiven, except blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

 

[98cwitr]

I don't read Greek, so I have no idea what you posted.

Then check back in when you've got a handle on it.

 

[Hammster]

Then check back in when you've got a handle on it.

The people who translated the ESV know Greek. Are you saying that you know it better?

 

[Hammster]

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. ([bless and do not curse]1 John‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]9‬ NASB)

Those guys know Greek.

Everyone who has been fathered by God does not practice sin, because God’s seed resides in him, and thus he is not able to sin, because he has been fathered by God. ([bless and do not curse]1 John‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]9‬ NET)

Another group.

 

[Avid]

Good advice...to play the advocate...aint the 10 commandments OT Law? Christ said all sins of the man will be forgiven, except blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

For those who are not one with Christ, nor become a New Creation in Him, nor put off the old man with his deeds, are under the LAW, and Every Part is a requirement for them. Mow your grass on Saturday, and break one of the Ten Commandments. Say words that mean nothing (Vain) and attach them to God's name, and break one of the Ten Commandments. The penalty for all such infractions is death.

These people are not doing an innocent thing that is ignorant of the damage or of the consequence. They know better, but they presume upon the mercy and longsuffering of God to tempt Him in their every thought, word and deed.

Numbers 15
30 ¶ But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

II Peter 2
10 ¶ But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
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See that presumptuous sin has no provision for forgiveness. It is not that it is so much worse, but that it is done willingly and knowingly. (Heb. 6 and Heb. 10) The unintended or ignorant has a provision made for his restitution.

The people who would do so much have done more than ONE thing ("the soul that doeth ought") This presumptuous sinning is very common. The putting away of such things is a very early sign that God has begun to deal with the heart of a person.

II Corinthians 7
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Notes from the Geneva Bible:
God's sorrow occurs when we are not terrified with the fear of punishment, but because we feel we have offended God our most merciful Father. Contrary to this there is another sorrow, that only fears punishment, or when a man is vexed for the loss of some worldly goods. The fruit of the first is repentance, and the fruit of the second is desperation, unless the Lord quickly helps.

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Ungodly fear of God is that which will put men upon adding to the revealed will of God their own inventions, and their own performances of them, as a means to pacify the anger of God. For the truth is, where this ungodly fear reigneth, there is no end of law and duty.
John Bunyan (1628−1688)
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Let your fear of God, or of His wrath, drive you to your knees in prayer and pleading before the righteous God to make you right in His sight. No one can do that part for you. (John 1:13) You must go to God yourself and ask for Jesus Christ to help you, your own self.

Don't take the subject lightly, or be satisfied with "Churchianity" as your religion. None of us should be castaway because of someone else's mistake, misunderstanding or alternate agenda! We must stand before the LORD ourselves, and we are tasked with preparing for that time while it is TODAY.

Matthew 12
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
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I trust you are not thinking this is something that is automatically done. The forgiveness referenced here comes as is shown in the rest of scripture! We are forgiven when we are submitted to God in Christ, and have repented. We have turned from sin, self and the world. We live a different, NEW life in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
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Look unto Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith.

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[98cwitr]

The people who translated the ESV know Greek. Are you saying that you know it better?

No, but I will say the NIV seems more in line with what is actually written in Greek

1 John 3:9-12New International Version (NIV)

9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

 

[Jonathan95]

Good advice...to play the advocate...aint the 10 commandments OT Law? Christ said all sins of the man will be forgiven, except blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

You can find the 10 commandments in the NT as well, whether implicitly or explicitly.

I came to think of something.

God chose the people of Israel (Deut. 7:6), yet many fell away, fell into idolatry etc.