They may not be fully human or human at all.

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Daniel 2:43 - And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. kjv

Daniel 7:24 -
The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. nkjv

Daniel 7:8 - This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully. niv

As you can see I have used three different bible versions here , this was not done to pull a shifty but to get the clearest definition of what is being said here.
Just to be clear , Daniel 7: 24 says he is ( different ) , and when you look at the other two , he and they appear to be very different indeed.
 

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Indeed very good observation, they are spiritual forces, not human beings, but they can live in human beings.

Look at Western pride!

  1. Boastfully claiming God does not exist, and they can explain the origins of life better than Scripture through science.
  2. Foolishly giving the greedy people the power to earn the most money and have the most power.
  3. Serving many idols. Religion, Education, Science, Psychology, History, and Physical Health
  4. The Human ego is not done away with but exulted above all.
This is where we as believers have to get away from.

The wicked ruling our hearts through the lies we believe about God, ourselves and our neighbour. It is them Jesus wants to set us free from. Not just World forces, but first of all those forces in our hearts doing the sinning.

That is why repenting is so important right now.

Peace.
 
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Just to be clear , Daniel 7: 24 says he is ( different ) , and when you look at the other two , he and they appear to be very different indeed.
Oh, how many times have I attempted to discuss this here but got shot down! Lord Jesus said that it would be as it was in the days of Noah when He returns. Now to find out what it was like in the days of Noah, we have to look very carefully at Genesis 6. The strangest thing has happened to the online Bibles. The word Nephilim has been removed. It use to be there, but I don't see it anymore :scratch:. AnywayGenesis 6 talks about when the angels took on flesh and mated with human women. Their offspring were the nephilim translated giants. An author named L.A.Marzulli has studied this subject for years. Here is video where he talks about his work.
 
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The strangest thing has happened to the online Bibles. The word Nephilim has been removed. It use to be there, but I don't see it anymore :scratch:.
Here's a link to SEVERAL (no less than 30) Online Bible translations that contain that word, Still to this day..

Took a two second Internet search :scratch:
Genesis 6:4 - Bible Gateway
 
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Daniel 2:43 - And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. kjv

Daniel 7:24 -
The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. nkjv

Daniel 7:8 - This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully. niv

As you can see I have used three different bible versions here , this was not done to pull a shifty but to get the clearest definition of what is being said here.
Just to be clear , Daniel 7: 24 says he is ( different ) , and when you look at the other two , he and they appear to be very different indeed.


Hi we wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers in high places. Now in Dan 7 a curious verse pops up and notes that when the pompous one is given to the flame the rest of the beasts lose their dominion but have their lives prolonged for a season and a time. This seems to match up well with Rev as the anitchrist and false prophet are given tot he flames and the dragon Satan is bound for 1000 years and then released. It seems that the rest of the fallen ones who had dominion may also lose dominion and are prolonged being bound like Satan for 1000 years to be released for a time to tempt the nations at the end of the millennium.

The days of Noah and Lot are brought up and morally, ethically and in many other ways I think we have exceeded their wickedness. The LORD in Gen created all the plants for food and we have genetically modified them. We have done this with many animals and insects as well. So when you get to taking the mark of the beast it seems to come with a permanent surrendering of your soul. Now this is interesting as the blood of Christ is good for all other sin (less blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which is rejecting the LORD until death) so perhaps the mark of the beast you have surrendered your free will and may be merged with a computer and from that point of you no longer can make choices but are sealed mechanically to be wired to the beast.
 
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so perhaps the mark of the beast you have surrendered your free will and may be merged with a computer and from that point of you no longer can make choices but are sealed mechanically to be wired to the beast.

I have not thought about it like this. I have, however, considered the trend these days toward hybridization and the trans culture. Something about the mark makes man unredeemable. It could be that mankind is no longer fully human ,but has transformed into something God does not count as human. Genetic modification is practiced on Earth by every nation. There are technologies in the works that can alter the human genome.
In Rev. 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

So, evidently mankind will figure out how not to die to their detriment. Now what do you think about that in light of that scripture?
 
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Oh, how many times have I attempted to discuss this here but got shot down! Lord Jesus said that it would be as it was in the days of Noah when He returns. Now to find out what it was like in the days of Noah, we have to look very carefully at Genesis 6. The strangest thing has happened to the online Bibles. The word Nephilim has been removed. It use to be there, but I don't see it anymore :scratch:. AnywayGenesis 6 talks about when the angels took on flesh and mated with human women. Their offspring were the nephilim translated giants.
Jesus did not say everything would be like in the days of Noah. You're taking His statement out of context. He said it would be like the days of Noah in a certain sense.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:38-39 "in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away. so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.".

The point was that they were doing things that people normally do, like eat and drink and get married and such and they were oblivious to what was about to happen to them, which was that they were going to be killed by the flood. There is no basis for comparing the days before His return to the days of Noah in any other sense except for what He actually said.
 
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Jesus did not say everything would be like in the days of Noah. You're taking His statement out of context. He said it would be like the days of Noah in a certain sense.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:38-39 "in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away. so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.".

The point was that they were doing things that people normally do, like eat and drink and get married and such and they were oblivious to what was about to happen to them, which was that they were going to be killed by the flood. There is no basis for comparing the days before His return to the days of Noah in any other sense except for what He actually said.
Yeah, this is always the argument.
 
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Yeah, this is always the argument.
And, apparently, you have nothing to refute the argument, so why apply Christ's words beyond their context? That's a bad thing to do. That's how people make scripture say whatever they want it to say.
 
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And, apparently, you have nothing to refute the argument, so why apply Christ's words beyond their context? That's a bad thing to do. That's how people make scripture say whatever they want it to say.
So you think God destroyed the whole world and everyone in it except the eight in the ark because they were eating, drinking, marrying and given in marriage?
 
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So you think God destroyed the whole world and everyone in it except the eight in the ark because they were eating, drinking, marrying and given in marriage?
Obviously not. I said that the reference to them eating, drinking and marrying had to do with how people were doing normal things while being oblivious to what was going to happen to them. The days before Jesus returns will be like that and that was His point. He did not talk about the reason they were all destroyed in the flood. We can see that from other scripture such as, obviously, Genesis 6 and 7.

Yes, we can discern from other scripture like 2 Peter 3:3-7 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 that the reason that He will destroy all unbelievers when He returns will be for the same reason He destroyed all unbelievers in Noah's day with the flood. Because of their wickedness. But, that was not something Jesus was pointing out in Matthew 24:37-39. There is no scripture to suggest that the days before Christ's return will be the same as the days of Noah in every way. Obviously no one will be building an ark to escape the wrath to come. We should only go by what scripture says about the days before Christ's return. Anything else is just useless speculation.
 
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Another researcher Dr. Thomas Horn discusses the hybridization that is happening today. I think it is important for Christians to know in these last days.This was posted January 2016.

Here is part 2
 
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Obviously not. I said that the reference to them eating, drinking and marrying had to do with how people were doing normal things while being oblivious to what was going to happen to them. The days before Jesus returns will be like that and that was His point. He did not talk about the reason they were all destroyed in the flood. We can see that from other scripture such as, obviously, Genesis 6 and 7.

Yes, we can discern from other scripture like 2 Peter 3:3-7 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 that the reason that He will destroy all unbelievers when He returns will be for the same reason He destroyed all unbelievers in Noah's day with the flood. Because of their wickedness. But, that was not something Jesus was pointing out in Matthew 24:37-39. There is no scripture to suggest that the days before Christ's return will be the same as the days of Noah in every way. Obviously no one will be building an ark to escape the wrath to come. We should only go by what scripture says about the days before Christ's return. Anything else is just useless speculation.

Indeed. But there is more to it.

The characteristic of the end times is not "anything" but the decay or corruption of the world and judgment of the Church (remember, judgment always begins there first) as Satan is loosed from his restraint to deceive. And what God-fearing Christians will deny that rampant homosexuality is a direct sign of that decay, deterioration and corruption of society as it forsakes all the inherit laws of God. As it turns the order of things upside down. This decay and corruption is just as much a sign of God's judgment as it was in the days of Noah.

Genesis 6:11-13
  • "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
  • And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
  • And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."
God is immutable. He doesn't change His Modus Operandi. Indeed, these things are written as examples for our admonishment, our understanding and our consideration. As the earth deteriorates, the world becomes full of violence or wrongdoing, where there is corruption of God's nature and offenses and violence against God. And shall God forebear? Well, He has been forebearing, but ultimately He will give them up. As it is written, How long, O Lord, holy and true, will thou not judge and avenge the blood of the prophets on them that dwell on the earth? The answer is, only until the last elect is sealed and all Israel is saved. Then the restraint is lifted and God gives man up to his vile immorality. Thus homosexuality may seem triumphant for a season, but the end thereof is just as it was in Sodom. It's no coincidence that Sodom is equated with Sodomy or homosexuality. Are we to think that God highlights the contemptible sin of Homosexuality in Sodom before destroying it as, just coincidental? As hard as that might be to believe, there are those who believe just homosexuality in Sodom is just miscellaneous. Of no import. But for those who can discern more than the face of the sky, it was written for a reason, signifying the corruption and perversion of man. It is a sign. Moreover, God uses these same examples of both Noah and Sodom when prophesying the coming of the Lord and the end of days. Specifically, because they both denote the corruption and vile affections of the world, the rampant abominations in the earth as Sodomy.

Luke 17:25-29
  • "But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
  • And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
  • They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
  • Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
  • But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."
The days of Noah, when the world was continually evil and in unchecked degradation, is equated to the day that the Lord would return to destroy the wicked. Are we listening? Were they listening then? No, they were eating and drinking pretending everything was normal. It is because they did not see the signs either. Noah was saved by the Ark of the Covenant, upon which He was found safe and secure in Christ.

1st Peter 3:19-20
  • "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
  • Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
Likewise, the days of Sodom and the deterioration of that society from the natural order in rank wickedness and homosexuality, are also equated (by Christ) to the day that the Lord would return. And Lot was saved by the Messenger of God who forced him to leave his house and kin and depart that city, lest he receives of the Lord's judgment there. The world today is likewise morally bankrupt with the same filthiness of Sodom. And nothing in the word of God is there by coincidence, not God's illustrating the earth's corruption and needing to be destroyed, or the Lord illustrating Sodom's rampant homosexuality and that city's needed destruction. Nor is it coincidence His use of both as examples (signs) of His coming again and the end of the world. Our society today is continually evil as in the days of Noah, and is deteriorating with rampant homosexuality as in the days of Sodom. It can only mean the judgment thereof is nigh. Man rejected serving God and instead serves only themselves, the creation rather than the creator. The carnal image of the beast. It is the pleasure principle, where whatever feels right is done, regardless of the natural law or the order of God's creation. And when this happens, God gives us up, or in other words, takes away His hand of restraint in judgment. His principles do not change, man does.

Romans 1:25-27
  • "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
  • For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
  • And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
God calls these vile affections, but the unfaithful Church just rolls its eyes as conducts business as usual. Bible-believing Christians must be prepared to face that deterioration of the world and Church and the trials and tribulations of same. With their eyes on Christ, and not the Church, they must discern the signs of the times. Their head toward heaven, and not looking toward the earth in fear after those things which are coming on the earth, Luke 21:25-26. It is a prelude to the Lord's soon return. For the powers of heaven shall be shaken, the Church devastated. Signs are spiritual, in the heavens and in the earth. And only those with their spiritual eyes toward heaven will see them.
 
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Moreover...

There are all kinds of lies, and Satan is the father of them all. The lie is that divorce is acceptable. First in the world, and then in the Church. The lie is that women are equal to men and thus should be rulers over men in the Church. First in the world, and then in the Church. The lie is that love means not offending anyone. First in the world and then in the Church. The lie is that Homosexuality is just another sin, and should not be singled out as detestably unnatural. First in the world, and then in the Church. As sin goes, lying appears to be at the top of the list. And the world is FULL of them. That's why homosexuality is so rampant today. And speaking of signs:

2nd Thessalonians 2:9-12
  • "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
  • And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
  • And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
  • That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
What signs and "lying wonders" does the sinful man (or man of sin) come with, that works by the spirit of Satan? What strong delusion? Is it the speech of the world, telling people what they want to hear, rather than what the word of God says? Sounds familiar with all the lies Trump had affected upon his lemmings? Same thing with false prophets and christs in the Church. The DELUSION is that they believe it. They believe in divorce and remarriage, free will, homosexuality, women preachers, etc., etc. In other words, they are eating and drinking as if nothing has changed and the rampant rise in open homosexuality of the world is business as usual? Why? Because they believe the lie and cannot discern the signs. They are the foolish virgins of Matthew 25 who cannot discern the signs without the spirit (oil in the lamp). The love of God has waxed cold and iniquity abounds. He who letteth has been taken out of the midst. God has given them up. And the great lie is that, the false prophets are saying "Peace, Peace, when there is no peace." Show us a sign, when the signs are clearly seen. Even as Lot's righteous soul was vexed by the vile things going on in Sodom, his family could not see, nor would they come out. This is the lesson for us that some see Sodom for what it is, and others have no fear that it will ever be judged, nor that there is ever a call to come out.

And I believe is happening right now in this nation and the world. Distress of nations. The sea and the waves roaring all over. The lies are everywhere since more and more unfaithful churches has become as bad as the world.
 
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Indeed very good observation, they are spiritual forces, not human beings, but they can live in human beings.

Look at Western pride!

  1. Boastfully claiming God does not exist, and they can explain the origins of life better than Scripture through science.
  2. Foolishly giving the greedy people the power to earn the most money and have the most power.
  3. Serving many idols. Religion, Education, Science, Psychology, History, and Physical Health
  4. The Human ego is not done away with but exulted above all.
This is where we as believers have to get away from.

The wicked ruling our hearts through the lies we believe about God, ourselves and our neighbour. It is them Jesus wants to set us free from. Not just World forces, but first of all those forces in our hearts doing the sinning.

That is why repenting is so important right now.

Peace.

It’s hard to watch many so called christians obeying ’princes’ of the world and not Jesus.
 
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AnywayGenesis 6 talks about when the angels took on flesh and mated with human women. Their offspring were the nephilim translated giants.

Hi Handmaid.
What do you make of these scriptures?

Joshua 14:15
Now the name of Hebron was formerly Kiriath-arba; for Arba was the greatest man among the Anakim. Then the land had rest from war.


Joshua 15:13
Now he gave to Caleb the son of Jephunneh a portion among the sons of Judah, according to the command of the Lord to Joshua, namely, Kiriath-arba, Arba being the father of Anak (that is, Hebron).

Numbers 13:33
There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”


Arba was a man not an angel who fathered the Nephilim
 
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AnywayGenesis 6 talks about when the angels took on flesh and mated with human women. Their offspring were the nephilim translated giants.

False!

Nephel is simply an old word used as descriptive of "Big" People. It could be literally giant in stature, or a giant in position (as in famous) or giant as in a champion. In other words, [nephel] is a word meaning big, not a name of angels or foreign beings or the result of inbreeding between celestial beings and Earthly women.

We have a tribe of people in Africa today who are very small or short. There is also a tribe that is very big or tall. When talking about them, we can say they're giants, or they're little. If we were of the old language in naming them, we would say they were [nephel] (Giants). But we don't ascribe them to being "angels" just because their size is unusual. We shouldn't do it with the Giants of scripture either. They're big, they're fellers, they're Giants. But they are not the product of angels mating. You get shot down because your idea/theory about angels mating is preposterous. The word by extension means Giants and nothing more. And that's how the word Nephel is used and translated in the scriptures. As there are giants today, there were some tribes or families of people that were giants in those days. Goliath was one of these, and the sons of Anak also. The word translated Giants just means they were big, or of great stature. It didn't identify an alien or angel. In fact, we can see that clearly as we read the word as it is seen in Numbers chapter 13:

Numbers 13:33
  • "And there we saw the giants [nephel] the sons of Anak, which come of the giants [gibbowr], and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."
You see, here we have that word again. Nephel, the sons of Anak (a man). That is again proof that the word nephel is not describing a new race or angels, but is an attribute. Because they were the sons of the Anakims, who Joshua destroyed in Canaan. These could hardly be the same race of nephilims that were "before" the flood, so the whole idea concerning this word is ludicrous. Or are we to believe that angels dropped by again after the flood to mate with Human women once again? Notice that the second word translated Giants is the Hebrew word [gibbowr]. It means warriors or strong Champions. And note the fear of these men were because they were--BIG! That is why they were called nephel (Giants). Verse 32 declares plainly that they were "of great stature". So clearly they were afraid of them because they were unusually big people. But it has nothing to do with angels mating with the daughters of men anymore than the tall people in Africa today have anything to do with that. They were simply a tribe or family of big people who would frighten you if you had to battle them. Would you rather to go to battle against an army of people the size of a basketball player, or an army of men standing only about 5 feet 9 inches. The answer is obvious. The natural man delights in creating a mystery where none exists because the truth doesn't seem exotic or sensational enough for him so that they desire something more. But the truth is that these were the giants in the land of that day, and nothing more.

If anyone wants to learn more about the Nephilims in relationship to the SONS OF GOD may read here.
 
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