HB2153: Right to refuse service bill passes House vote

[scraparcs]

PHOENIX (AP) -- The Arizona House has passed a Republican-backed bill that expands the rights of people to assert their religious beliefs in refusing service to gays and others.

Democrats and civil rights groups opposed the measure, saying it would allow discriminatory actions by businesses.

The House approved the bill on a 33-27 vote Thursday afternoon, with two Republicans joining all Democrats in opposition. The state Senate passed the bill after nearly two hours of debate a day earlier on a straight 17-13 party-line vote.

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I expect this will be signed by the governor and enacted. Thoughts? Quite frankly, I think discrimination should generally be legal - then let the free market castigate businesses that discriminate.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

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I expect this will be signed by the governor and enacted. Thoughts? Quite frankly, I think discrimination should generally be legal - then let the free market castigate businesses that discriminate.

I happen to agree with you.

If a business discriminates, that costs them customers...which costs them money...which isn't smart business. But, oh well.

Of course, I'd also know that I'm not welcome in a place so that I can leave, too.

 

[NightHawkeye]

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I expect this will be signed by the governor and enacted. Thoughts? Quite frankly, I think discrimination should generally be legal - then let the free market castigate businesses that discriminate.

Seems like another useless piece of misguided legislation which is mostly intended to garner attention ... which won't resolve any significant issues and will likely be struck down by the court system.

 

[scraparcs]

Well, should a photographer have to photograph a same-sex wedding? That's what they're trying to avoid.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Well, should a photographer have to photograph a same-sex wedding? That's what they're trying to avoid.

All a photographer has to do is give an outrageous bid.

 

[JoyJuice]

Just last week Kansas passed the same kind of legislation in one house of Congress, until the sane bipartisan folks stepped in.

 

[variant]

Seems like another useless piece of misguided legislation which is mostly intended to garner attention ... which won't resolve any significant issues and will likely be struck down by the court system.

Heh we agree on something.

 

[AceHero]

Quite frankly, I think discrimination should generally be legal - then let the free market castigate businesses that discriminate.

How did that work out for black people during the days of segregation? Discrimination is easy to justify as long as you're not the one being discriminated against.

 

[bhsmte]

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I expect this will be signed by the governor and enacted. Thoughts? Quite frankly, I think discrimination should generally be legal - then let the free market castigate businesses that discriminate.

As I have always said, I have no problem with a business owner refusing to serve someone based on their individual religious beliefs. But, I think it only fair for that business owner to be compelled to inform the public who indeed they will refuse to serve. A posting on their website and something in plain view in their storefront would suffice. You want to discriminate in a public business, fine, they should then be willing to make that clear to the public they make money off of.

 

[JoyJuice]

How did that work out for black people during the days of segregation? Discrimination is easy to justify as long as you're not the one being discriminated against.

Sometimes I read things here and they just make me scratch my head. Reps

 

[scraparcs]

As I have always said, I have no problem with a business owner refusing to serve someone based on their individual religious beliefs. But, I think it only fair for that business owner to be compelled to inform the public who indeed they will refuse to serve. A posting on their website and something in plain view in their storefront would suffice. You want to discriminate in a public business, fine, they should then be willing to make that clear to the public they make money off of.

I suspect like businesses that discriminated on the basis of race in the past that they will make themselves known soon enough.

As abhorrent as it is, why shouldn't we let racial discrimination be legal for businesses? It would be a stupid business practice, but stupidity isn't generally illegal.

 

[Sadalbari]

I expect this bill will be immediately enjoined and challenged in the courts. If not and it becomes "law" I expect it will be repealed by the legislature the first time a Muslim ER doc refuses to treat a Christian infidel and lets them drop dead.

 

[AceHero]

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I expect this will be signed by the governor and enacted. Thoughts? Quite frankly, I think discrimination should generally be legal - then let the free market castigate businesses that discriminate.

As I have always said, I have no problem with a business owner refusing to serve someone based on their individual religious beliefs. But, I think it only fair for that business owner to be compelled to inform the public who indeed they will refuse to serve. A posting on their website and something in plain view in their storefront would suffice. You want to discriminate in a public business, fine, they should then be willing to make that clear to the public they make money off of.

A big ad in the local newspaper or during the local news should suffice. Or the city could send a mailer out to everyone in the community.

But it'd be a lot easier and less time consuming to just have anti-discrimination laws. Discriminate and suffer the consequences.

 

[KitKatMatt]

Perfect for all those people who live in small towns and don't have a lot of choices!

 

[JoyJuice]

Perfect for all those people who live in small towns and don't have a lot of choices!

I guess they would just have to just up and move to another town that tolerates their kind.

 

[KitKatMatt]

Isn't refusing to sell me something just because you "don't like my kind" infringing on my right to engage in trade and commerce, by the way?

It's limiting my choices, possibly making me spend more money at somewhere further away, etc.

Businesses aren't people. If you can't deal with doing business with people you disagree with, then you shouldn't be in business at all.

 

[cow451]

Seems like another useless piece of misguided legislation which is mostly intended to garner attention ... which won't resolve any significant issues and will likely be struck down by the court system.

 

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I expect this will be signed by the governor and enacted. Thoughts? Quite frankly, I think discrimination should generally be legal - then let the free market castigate businesses that discriminate.

Well, it's pretty clearly afoul of the constitution. "No State shall make or enforce any law which ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

 

[Forest Wolf]

It's surprising how those who follow the Rabbi Yeshua believe it is incumbent upon them to judge and condemn those they deem to be sinners, so that those so judged suffer for it in this life.

This bill will never stand scrutiny as pertains to the U.S. Constitution. But that it is a Christian push is something that paints a disastrous legacy onto the family of a creator and a Rabbi of love and peace.

The implications, if this becomes law, don't appear to register with those in favor. Possibly because they imagine it their god given right to discriminate in the name of doing god's work for him. While never realizing this bill as law would allow others to discriminate based on their religious convictions against christians.

 

[TLK Valentine]

My understanding is these signs are already popping up all over AZ...